I wonder if the batteries have been ready for some time but Makita could be waiting to update a few more X2 tools so new buyers aren’t stumbling into annoying compatibility issues unaware
ToolBane wrote:
4 hours ago, ToolBane said:I wonder if the batteries have been ready for some time but Makita could be waiting to update a few more X2 tools so new buyers aren’t stumbling into annoying compatibility issues unaware
Doubtful. Normally something is leaked well in advance of a product release, even when only in alpha stages. The only things I’ve heard about new batteries being developed were said to have been scrapped and taken back to the drawing board. I’ve heard many different things. As it is the latest I’ve been told is expect nothing until the end of next year. We shall see.
Last Year (2017) Makita UK said the same ” Nothing coming this Year may be a the end of next (2018)” That`s way I have started this posts here. And it seams this Year will be the same as the last on batteries side of Makita business.
In my job (property maintenance) Carrying x5-6 batteries each day is so inconvenient + my batteries getting old and I really do not want to invest in the same new.
Common Makita! Give us some HD Power Packs.
Really doesn’t bother me. With the weight and bulk of some of the newer HD packs coming I’m struggling to see the benefit of cordless tools. Can’t remember the last time I didn’t have power, besides the minor inconvenience of having to run an extension, I’d prefer my tools to be compact and lightweight for all day use, not clunky, bulky and heavy with a battery the size of a house brick on the end of it. .
And for the benefit of what, 9″ grinders than can manage 20 or so minutes of runtime on a near £300 battery? Meh; vanity project, no more practical than carrying 5-6 batteries and a charger around with you.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
1 hour ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:Really doesn’t bother me. With the weight and bulk of some of the newer HD packs coming I’m struggling to see the benefit of cordless tools. Can’t remember the last time I didn’t have power, besides the minor inconvenience of having to run an extension, I’d prefer my tools to be compact and lightweight for all day use, not clunky, bulky and heavy with a battery the size of a house brick on the end of it. .
And for the benefit of what, 9″ grinders than can manage 20 or so minutes of runtime on a near £300 battery? Meh; vanity project, no more practical than carrying 5-6 batteries and a charger around with you.
But that’s your opinion of of course. There are enough people that rather have a bulky battery then having to carry around and plug in an extension cord 🙂
kornomaniac wrote:
2 hours ago, kornomaniac said:But that’s your opinion of of course. There are enough people that rather have a bulky battery then having to carry around and plug in an extension cord 🙂
@kornomaniac Thanks!
It seams @SchenzhenSpecial is interested in his/her own opinion only disregarding everyone else.
Ned wrote:
1 hour ago, Ned said:@kornomaniac Thanks!
It seams @SchenzhenSpecial is interested in his/her own opinion only disregarding everyone else.
I’m confused, are you saying I’m not entitled to an opinion because you don’t agree with it?
The sales man @kornomaniacsells tools all day long; he’ll have a clearer picture of what they’re selling and to whom, I unfortunately have to make my money by using them and that is my opinion, like it or not.
kornomaniac wrote:
3 hours ago, kornomaniac said:There are enough people that rather have a bulky battery then having to carry around and plug in an extension cord
What about rather have a bulky HD compared to a few more slimmer/lighter/less-bulky batteries? You’ve moved the goal posts entirely to better support what you’re saying. Most people would rather be cordless than corded; HD packs, depending on application still wont last you all day, you’re going to need more than one or you’ll need power to recharge them. Sure you’ll need less to (as I suggested) run a 9″ grinder but you certainly won’t get away with only one for the average day at work. Consider it 4-5 (heavy, bulky) HD batteries, or 4-5 compact batteries and a charger.
It offers little benefit given the cost of them and greatly reduces the compact and lightweight factor that used to be a massive selling point of cordless tools.
As I’ve said, I work along side people that use tools that need a lot of juice, if you offer them a £200 angle grinder + £1000 worth of HD batteries or a £120 corded model… I’ll let you decide which one wins.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
2 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:
I’m confused, are you saying I’m not entitled to an opinion because you don’t agree with it?
The sales man @kornomaniacsells tools all day long; he’ll have a clearer picture of what they’re selling and to whom, I unfortunately have to make my money by using them and that is my opinion, like it or not.
What about rather have a bulky HD compared to a few more slimmer/lighter/less-bulky batteries? You’ve moved the goal posts entirely to better support what you’re saying. Most people would rather be cordless than corded; HD packs, depending on application still wont last you all day, you’re going to need more than one or you’ll need power to recharge them. Sure you’ll need less to (as I suggested) run a 9″ grinder but you certainly won’t get away with only one for the average day at work. Consider it 4-5 (heavy, bulky) HD batteries, or 4-5 compact batteries and a charger.
It offers little benefit given the cost of them and greatly reduces the compact and lightweight factor that used to be a massive selling point of cordless tools.
As I’ve said, I work along side people that use tools that need a lot of juice, if you offer them a £200 angle grinder + £1000 worth of HD batteries or a £120 corded model… I’ll let you decide which one wins.
HD packs are not only about runtime tho. Current Makita batteries have a real chance of overheating on the 9″ grinder and the chainsaw. Overheating before you get to drain them. HD packs would make these tools more viable for many people. At the moment when someone comes in for the 9 inch grinder I have to ask alot of questions of my customer to make sure he understands the limitation of the tool. Limitations which are only there because of the battery.
And as a salesman it’s indeed the truth that I’m getting the question for bigger packs more and more. Most people don’t think ahead that a bigger ah battery will also be heavier. The marketing behind flexvolt for example just works. For most people the ability of going cordless outweighs the added bulk of bigger batteries.
If I were able to sell the 9″ grinder with a pack of 9 or 12 amp batteries then my sales talk would be alot easier. Wouldn’t have to worry about any overheating. I could tell them to expect thesame kind of use as a 5 inch grinder ( which pretty much everyone already has )
So in short: are HD packs absolutely needed for Makita ? The answer is 90% no. 10% yes for a few specific tools.
Would it hurt Makita to start giving their customers the option ? Wouldn’t see why. People like big numbers and they would sell.
With X2 on a lot of their high-drain tools Makita can for the most part afford to “fall behind” a little in the max-capacity department so I guess they’d rather prioritize on releasing the right product. Which is fine to me if they need. Admittedly I don’t have a terribly strong utility for anything larger than the 5Ah batteries that I have (I use these things for hobbies and projects etc, not for employment), but even to me higher capacity batteries would be convenient on occasion. It’s amazing how fast Makita’s biggest impact wrench can get a 5Ah battery to read half-empty. What it reads I’m guessing mostly happens by way of how they design their battery protection but it still has practical consequences.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
18 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:
The only things I’ve heard about new batteries being developed were said to have been scrapped and taken back to the drawing board. I’ve heard many different things. As it is the latest I’ve been told is expect nothing until the end of next year. We shall see.
Evolution of “The Gap” seems to support this theory. I would love myself some HD batteries, but not in Flexvolt form factor. Not at that price. I’d rather wait 2 more years for more compact ones, if that’s what’s needed. I’m completely with SchenzenSpecial on this, “keep it compact” is my top priority. However, I ‘m not a pro and I’ m not a salesman either.
I am a pro. Makita please make hd ASAP but keep light and compact NOT like Dewalt and Milwaukee. No giant batteries.
Bosch did it right 😃
ToolBane wrote:
15 hours ago, ToolBane said:
Looks like that thing just has 15 18650cells in it, just looking at the picture and how big it seems to be. Makita could do that any time they wanted to, but theres no point really.
aessu wrote:
2 hours ago, aessu said:Looks like that thing just has 15 18650cells in it, just looking at the picture and how big it seems to be. Makita could do that any time they wanted to, but theres no point really.
The footprint of the 6Ah and 9Ah batteries is notably larger than the old 4Ah batteries, so the speculation is these are larger than the 18650s used in those. I’m pretty sure I saw this confirmed somewhere when someone took a 6Ah apart, but can’t find the link.
Of course there’s no magic to this either, Makita could do this any time they feel like as well. I think they do have a strong desire to do larger cells, but a 3-layer, 18650-based battery that gets them to 9Ah and in their X2 configurations puts them well ahead of Milwaukee and Dewalt. Not sure which direction maintains the broadest range of compatibility with current X2s while being most forward-friendly to future products. A lot of interesting ways that could go.
Anyone saw this post by Toolpig?
Nice demonstration it gives me hope. 👍
bee-man wrote:
4 hours ago, bee-man said:Anyone saw this post by Toolpig?
Been nagging Makita UK for Year now about the same. Lost fate in it. It will not happen for current gen tools. Most likely the HD batteries , if any, will come with a new tools designed to take advantage of it. My set is 4-5 Years now so I most likely I will not get any benefits of new batteries, if any, but at least 5 and 6Ah will get cheaper, so I will renew my ageing batts. Do not really want to pay full price now for new 5 or 6Ah what currently is quite aging tech although they do good job for me.
I was taking a closer look at the X2 tools I’m interested in (plunge and miter) in consideration of what direction larger batteries could go. It’s extremely unlikely to matter how they go about it on the miter; the plunge saw however may not fit larger batteries depending on how they choose to go.
Funny thing is as I think on it I have essentially zero need for anything larger than the 5Ah I already have for those tools, so ultimately I don’t think I’ll let concern over future larger battery dimensions influence when I buy. The only tools it matters to me for are 18V tools where battery size won’t be an issue.
Bosch sized batteries will fit. No problem
I was speaking with the Makita rep at the Makita innovations tour that stopped here in PA yesterday. He said Makita will be releasing 9ah batteries sometime next year. He wasn’t sure What cells will be in them he just knows they will be coming out.
Fireguy116 wrote:
1 hour ago, Fireguy116 said:I was speaking with the Makita rep at the Makita innovations tour that stopped here in PA yesterday. He said Makita will be releasing 9ah batteries sometime next year. He wasn’t sure What cells will be in them he just knows they will be coming out.
Finally! My angle grinders and chain saw are looking forward…
Well it’s nice to hear a semi-firm answer, I’ll just hope they come before September and aren’t $500 a pair.
Fireguy116 wrote:
15 hours ago, Fireguy116 said:I was speaking with the Makita rep at the Makita innovations tour that stopped here in PA yesterday. He said Makita will be releasing 9ah batteries sometime next year. He wasn’t sure What cells will be in them he just knows they will be coming out.
Been hearing the same rumor for 18 months and every rep I speak to discredits it. I believe toolaholic kicked off that rumour on a live feed some time ago.
If Makita uses bigger cells, then X2 tools are going to be seriously heavy and huge. Flexvolt are big with 15 cells, but Makita are possibly going to have 20 x 21700 cells on a single tool! 😨
I think Hitachi/Hikoki with Multivolt have a better approach. It’s like a middle ground between Flexvolt and X2. A single 18650 Multivolt battery will do 36V and be exactly the same size as one of their original 6ah 18V batteries. To improve runtime (and likely power), they also have a bigger 21700 cell 8ah/4ah version. It’s bigger, but not as big as Flexvolt or 2 x Makita batteries.
We haven’t seen any reviews yet, but in theory Multivolt is looking like a winner. I kind of wish it was Makita that came up with the idea instead (or be the first ones to copy Flexvolt if you prefer I put it that way).
All the different solutions have their pros and cons. Hitachi’s will limit them into only having 2 banks of cells. Just as Flexvolt can only work with 3. So I see Hitachi hitting a performance ceiling more quickly than either X2 or Flexvolt. Well, unless they also start doing some “X2” variant a la Makita. Which they can, I guess. Both Dewalt and Ryobi actually have their own rebrandings of X2. Hitachi doing X2 would then be able to say they have 72V. So actually that may not be that bad.
Makita by appearances seems to like to keep their line appearing uncluttered, whether or not that’s beneficial or not. Maybe it’s to maximize compatibility or simplify the system intuitively for customers, but I don’t anticipate we’ll ever see them release a 3Ah compact until they decide their just done with the current 2-bank 3Ah, for example.
I mention this because I get the impression they don’t want to do both 3-bank 18650 batteries and 2-bank 20/21700s at the same time. I can see advantages to either direction, and wouldn’t personally care if they released both. But a lot of buyers would probably get confused when one format invariably doesn’t work with this or that tool they already have. The tabs that prevent users from using compact batteries on most Makita tools already get grumbles from people.
No reviews on MultiVolt because it isn’t released yet. Official release is next Tuesday.D W wrote:
If Makita uses bigger cells, then X2 tools are going to be seriously heavy and huge. Flexvolt are big with 15 cells, but Makita are possibly going to have 20 x 21700 cells on a single tool! [emoji32]
I think Hitachi/Hikoki with Multivolt have a better approach. It’s like a middle ground between Flexvolt and X2. A single 18650 Multivolt battery will do 36V and be exactly the same size as one of their original 6ah 18V batteries. To improve runtime (and likely power), they also have a bigger 21700 cell 8ah/4ah version that is 1440Wh. It’s bigger, but not as big as Flexvolt or 2 x Makita batteries.
We haven’t seen any reviews yet, but in theory Multivolt is looking like a winner. I kind of wish it was Makita that came up with the idea instead (or be the first ones to copy Flexvolt if you prefer I put it that way).
Also, Hitachi had to pay up some for using voltage switching as DeWalt holds the patent.
There has also been a MultiVolt X2 battery dust extractor spotted in Japan.
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And Makita is so damn secretive.
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The.Handyman wrote:
6 minutes ago, The.Handyman said:it isn’t released yet. Official release is next Tuesday
That might be for the US only. Online stores in Australia are listing it as ‘In Stock’, but I guess it may not be actually true. One store does have a YouTube channel and have 2 videos up (the 36V rotary hammer and 36V impact wrench). I placed an order for the small battery yesterday so it should be here in 2 days time if it’s actually available. I’ll try to post a mini review when it arrives.
The.Handyman wrote:
9 minutes ago, The.Handyman said:Hitachi had to pay up some for using voltage switching as DeWalt holds the patent.
I wondered about that. It was a great idea from Dewalt.
Yes, sorry, I am referring to the North American release. I can’t keep up with worldwide releases.D W wrote:
I wondered about that. It was a great idea from Dewalt.
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The.Handyman wrote:
6 minutes ago, The.Handyman said:I can’t keep up with worldwide releases.
Same here. It was hard enough to find our local release date. All we got was “October”.
I’m looking forward to the US release. I’ll consider that the “Official” release date (US have a huge market and the most YouTube channels/reviewers). It’s a damn shame about the “Metabo HPT” name though.
Hitachis multivolt advantage is plain and simple, the ac adapter. It makes things like a sawzall and skilsaw much more useful.
D W wrote:
9 hours ago, D W said:If Makita uses bigger cells, then X2 tools are going to be seriously heavy and huge. Flexvolt are big with 15 cells, but Makita are possibly going to have 20 x 21700 cells on a single tool! 😨
I think Hitachi/Hikoki with Multivolt have a better approach. It’s like a middle ground between Flexvolt and X2. A single 18650 Multivolt battery will do 36V and be exactly the same size as one of their original 6ah 18V batteries. To improve runtime (and likely power), they also have a bigger 21700 cell 8ah/4ah version that is 1440Wh. It’s bigger, but not as big as Flexvolt or 2 x Makita batteries.
We haven’t seen any reviews yet, but in theory Multivolt is looking like a winner. I kind of wish it was Makita that came up with the idea instead (or be the first ones to copy Flexvolt if you prefer I put it that way).
That’s exactly why Makita are reluctant to push bigger batteries based on current technology and why the 9ah rumours are unfounded.
Every one I’ve spoken to (of course I can’t verify it but it makes a lot of sense) who works with or for Makita suggest it’s not of great importance to them. I’ve said this earlier on in the thread.
Who wants to lug heavy tools around all day just because they’re Cordless?
It should be an option to customers 🙂
Yes but, would 2 21700 cell 4 amp batteries weigh more and out perform 2 5 amp 18700 cell batteries? The question is can Makita make longer run time batteries without the weight and bulk of the Dewalt and Milwaukee batteries.
If they make em Bosch sized that it wouldn’t be much heavier to now and help Alot 🙂
glass wrote:
7 hours ago, glass said:Yes but, would 2 21700 cell 4 amp batteries weigh more and out perform 2 5 amp 18700 cell batteries? The question is can Makita make longer run time batteries without the weight and bulk of the Dewalt and Milwaukee batteries.
Possible but longevity would be greatly reduced.
https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Any potential increse in runtime is minimised by the cost and reduced life span of the battery.
Factor in the higher temprature generated after drawing greater current from fewer cells and you have a further decrease of life span.
While the salesman would like to offer it as an option to customers, Makita has already (and is still trying to distance itself from) been through battery issues early on when they entered the li-ion market. It would be foolish to leave anything to chance and a battery that doesn’t last as long as the user would like would only help to perpetuate a bad reputation.
Within reason, larger cells will be able to belt out more current per-cell without negatively affecting longevity. That’s another part of the attraction of larger cells.
Makita’s X2 tools aren’t really where they need bigger capacity batteries (yet) though. From where I sit it’s more about the larger-consumption 18 volt tools. A pair of Makita’s 6Ah batteries in X2 is still running perfectly even with Milwaukee’s and Dewalt’s newest 12Ah batteries. But those 12Ah batteries can be used on any of their tools, while Makita’s non-X2 are limited to 6Ah. Not really an issue for most of them, in fact they look (and are) stupid on things like impact drivers, compact drills, and other small tools. Plenty of other tools though extra Ah is a good idea, as is a design that can output more current than 2 banks of 18650 cells.
Personally I think Makita should aim to retain an apparent edge by aiming between the grooves, where their X2 tools will have a decided advantage in Ah while not giving up too much on higher-drain non-X2 tools. 8-9Ah units should be a priority somewhere in the not-too-distant future.
One brand should go out on a limb with this idea:
Removable and sealed 3 or 5 cell cartridges or pods that you load into slide packs like we know them today (like loading individual batteries into a flashlight for example, but cartridges into slide packs which would essentially just be containers for the cartridges). The slide packs would come in a few sizes such as 1, 2, 4, and 8 cartridge packs. You could then “build” the sized battery you need. A 3 cell per cartridge approach would allow “12V”, “24V”, “48V”, and a 5 cell per cartridge approach would allow “18V”, “36V”, “72V” etc. Both have advantages.
So a tool would be rated by the minimum number of cartridges or pods that are needed for it to run (with voltage not really being the thing that is referred to).
With a 3 cell per cartridge approach:
A “12V max” tool would be rated 1+ (1 cartridge minimum). If you use a slide pack that holds 2 cartridges, then the tool would increase the run-time by using them in parallel. Hypothetically it could also use a 4 or 8 cartridge pack for extra long run-time.
A “24V max” tool would be rated 2+ (2 cartridges minimum) and use the 2 cartridges in series. If you use a 4 cartridge pack, then it would use two pairs of in series cartridges in parallel.
A “48V max” would be rated 4+…and so on.
This approach could allow a 12V rotary tool to exist on the same platform as a 48V mower.
ToolBane wrote:
8 hours ago, ToolBane said:Within reason, larger cells will be able to belt out more current per-cell without negatively affecting longevity. That’s another part of the attraction of larger cells.
That’s simply not true. Lithium is lithium, packing more of it into a cell doesn’t make it perform any better or worse. It’s longevity would be better compared to a smaller celled battery but that’s not to say it would perform any better based on what’s there. More cells offer better longevity at lower voltage.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
50 minutes ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:
That’s simply not true. Lithium is lithium, packing more of it into a cell doesn’t make it perform any better or worse. It’s longevity would be better compared to a smaller celled battery but that’s not to say it would perform any better based on what’s there. More cells offer better longevity at lower voltage.
Don’t really think you are correct ?
The 21700 cells have a higher continuous amp output then 18650 cells. That’s what’s toolsbane is saying.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
13 minutes ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:That’s simply not true.
It’s entirely true, by the same means that two cells in parallel will output twice the current as a single cell, which is why power tools so often have better performance output with 2-bank batteries versus 1-bank “compact” batteries.
All other things being equal a cell that is larger will have lower internal resistance since the current is flowing across a larger cross-sectional surface area, and since there’s also more mass, the battery will dissipate more energy lost as heat before increasing temperature by any given amount.
kornomaniac wrote:
30 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:Don’t really think you are correct ?
The 21700 cells have a higher continuous amp output then 18650 cells. That’s what’s toolsbane is saying.
Then that’s what he should have said. Not what he actually said, which implied lithium would perform differently because there’s more of it. The performance of the battery isn’t the same as the performance of the heavy metal the cell is made of.
ToolBane wrote:
28 minutes ago, ToolBane said:It’s entirely true, by the same means that two cells in parallel will output twice the current as a single cell, which is why power tools so often have better performance output with 2-bank batteries versus 1-bank “compact” batteries.
You’re talking about performance over increased capacity. On what you’re saying 100 cells would perform better than 1 cell. Yes. That’s true, that’s not what you said, or at least not how it was was worded.
ToolBane wrote:
9 hours ago, ToolBane said:Within reason, larger cells will be able to belt out more current per-cell without negatively affecting longevity. That’s another part of the attraction of larger cells.
This isn’t true.
A larger capacity cell will be able to belt out more current per-cell no different to a 2gallon bottle holding more water than a 1gallon bottle.
That is not to say the lithium within the cell will deteriorate at a slower rate.
I’ve linked you to a study which looks at the rate of deterioration compared to amount of recharge cycles, already.
Your story isn’t correct either.
Charge cycles isn’t the only thing that deteriorates battery cells.
Heat is the most important factor. Thzts also on battery University to quote your source. 21700 cells can output more current for less heat buildup.
Less heat = longer lifespan.
kornomaniac wrote:
48 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:Your story isn’t correct either.
Charge cycles isn’t the only thing that deteriorates battery cells.
Heat is the most important factor. Thzts also on battery University to quote your source. 21700 cells can output more current for less heat buildup.
Less heat = longer lifespan.
I’ve already said this.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
17 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:
Factor in the higher temprature generated after drawing greater current from fewer cells and you have a further decrease of life span.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
6 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:Not what he actually said, which implied lithium would perform differently because there’s more of it. The performance of the battery isn’t the same as the performance of the heavy metal the cell is made of.
Not what I said at all. The lithium’s behavior not changing (although it CAN be changed, but for the purposes of this discussion we’re assuming it isn’t changing to a significant degree) has nothing to do with why there will be a higher current output available if the cell is bigger. The electrical resistance of any given component in the circuit path is dependent on a number of factors, but one of them is cross-sectional area of the resisting material.
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the water-through-tube analogy used to help describe how lower resistance allows more current flow, but that’s one concept that will be operating here. You make the tube bigger, more water will flow under any given amount of pressure. The same way simply adding a second tube will flow more water. What most directly governs that? Well you’ve increased the cross-sectional area of the “conductor”. The water hasn’t changed. The pipe material hasn’t changed. The resistance drops because the cross-sectional area of the conductor has been increased. It operates the same whether we’re putting two cells in parallel or just making a bigger cell. The material property of the lithium or anything else hasn’t changed in either case. I’m not going to go dig through your “Battery University” website for you to find where they’ll likely explain it but if they go into the topic at any college-level detail at all (hell even just slightly beyond freshman highschool physics) they’ll eventually cover this. That is if they are reasonably scientifically responsible. Just because they call themselves “Battery University” doesn’t guarantee they actually have University-level information on-hand.
ToolBane wrote:
43 minutes ago, ToolBane said:Not what I said at all.
ToolBane wrote:
18 hours ago, ToolBane said:Within reason, larger cells will be able to belt out more current per-cell without negatively affecting longevity. That’s another part of the attraction of larger cells.
Your words.
ToolBane wrote:
51 minutes ago, ToolBane said:nothing to do with why there will be a higher current output available if the cell is bigger. The electrical resistance of any given component in the circuit path is dependent on a number of factors, but one of them is cross-sectional area of the resisting material.
I’m well aware of this.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
8 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:A larger capacity cell will be able to belt out more current per-cell no different to a 2gallon bottle holding more water than a 1gallon bottle.
At this point I’m struggling to see what it is you’re arguing about.
If you have 8 cells putting out 2amps at 20v, they’re going to perform better for longer than 4 cells putting out 2 amps at 20v. Why are you going in circles talking about cell capacity?
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
23 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:Any potential increse in runtime is minimised by the cost and reduced life span of the battery.
A new Bosch ‘slim’ 4ah is currently selling in the UK for around £70. For the same money I can have the 18650 lined
6ah. Is the 4ah slim going to outperfom the 6ah? On current, yes – should the tool need it. Run time? Probably not. Cost for its lifespan, very unlikely.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
7 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:Your words.
Correct, and nowhere do my words imply that the properties of lithium change based on cell size.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
8 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:I’m well aware of this.
Except you continue to not properly apply the pertinent concepts, sooo…?
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
8 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:At this point I’m struggling to see what it is you’re arguing about.
Why are you going in circles talking about cell capacity?
I think it’s plain as day obvious when I say larger cells and larger cross-sectional areas I am referring to physical sizes and not Ah capacities.
We’re all saying the same thing in different words I guess
Hello! First message in this forum.
Been reading through this thread and everybodys thoughts and expectations. Where are we standing today, are we gonna get those bigger batteries soon, what do u think? Having a lot of makita tools already but in some cases the runtime could be better of the batteries… Especially when working in the cold outdoors.
Koltrastn wrote:
6 minutes ago, Koltrastn said:Hello! First message in this forum.
Been reading through this thread and everybodys thoughts and expectations. Where are we standing today, are we gonna get those bigger batteries soon, what do u think? Having a lot of makita tools already but in some cases the runtime could be better of the batteries… Especially when working in the cold outdoors.
Welcome to the forum 🙂
The situation with makita batteries has not changed since I have open this topic here and even before that. Almost 2 Years now and counting.
There is not any indication or information about bigger HD batteries from Makita so far. Every Year I ask Makita reps on many tool fairs I visit here in UK and oficial Facebook Makita page and always the same answer “Not yet. At some point / May be next Year”. And that is for two Years now.
I personally gave up on any new Makita batteries as my tools getting of age now. I have my Makita set for about 6-7 Years now and will not benefit from any new tech batteries, and I have no need to change any of my tools in order to get advantage, if any from new tech batteries.
Saying that it does not mean that the current Makita 5 and 6Ah batteries are not doing the job, just would be better to have the option other companies give to their customers.