Makita Battery cell 20700

Stercorarius wrote:

5 minutes ago, Stercorarius said:

The only way they could just go taller is if maybe they turned the cells so they are set in vertical. 20700 and 21700 cells would be 5mm longer so you would need 5mm spacing between the batteries and 2.5mm on the outsides of the two batteries unless they can cut out a good chunk of the battery shell. I guess we shall see when they release them. Curious as to how much space the 18×2 recip and circular saws have. I think a few guys have them on here.

Very curious indeed how they will solve the problem 🙂

Stercorarius wrote:

10 minutes ago, Stercorarius said:

The only way they could just go taller is if maybe they turned the cells so they are set in vertical. 20700 and 21700 cells would be 5mm longer so you would need 5mm spacing between the batteries and 2.5mm on the outsides of the two batteries unless they can cut out a good chunk of the battery shell. I guess we shall see when they release them. Curious as to how much space the 18×2 recip and circular saws have. I think a few guys have them on here.

I’ll try to post a pic in a little bit bro, I’m out wonterizing the pool and having a much wanted Shock Top right now 👍

Stercorarius wrote:

27 minutes ago, Stercorarius said:

The only way they could just go taller is if maybe they turned the cells so they are set in vertical. 20700 and 21700 cells would be 5mm longer so you would need 5mm spacing between the batteries and 2.5mm on the outsides of the two batteries unless they can cut out a good chunk of the battery shell. I guess we shall see when they release them. Curious as to how much space the 18×2 recip and circular saws have. I think a few guys have them on here.

I think that x2 and all new (from last 2-3) and definitely the very newest from this Year have the space required for the extra width if 20700 cell and as for if 21700 than they will just bit longer which will be fine with x2 tool as the batteries are perpendicular to the machine body and only the width mater but ones again they (Makita) counted on for the extra width of 20700 cell.

Ones again just personal opinion   

So, if the 6.3ah high amp Eneracer batteries weren’t enough, Bosch looks set for a re-brand with 3 new battery sizes, code name ProCore (the Eneracers were called Core in the US…). 
The sizes are a suspected 3.5ah slim pack (this one interests me most if I’m honest – decent juice but light and compact), a “universal” 7.0ah, same pack size as the Eneracer and an “endurance” pack that, doing a bit of 2+2, many suspect will be a whopping 10.5ah! 
The old coolpacks used the now common-or-garden 18650 cells. The Eneracers use the 20700 cells, with 2 rows of 5 delivering 6.3ah. If the new “universal” ProCore is delivering 7ah and capable of 90 amps (!! what’s that … like a 1600w equivolent?), I suspect Bosch are using the 21700 cells for the ProCores? 
I read in toolguyd.com that we’re looking at paying in order of Euro199/$237 for the 7.0ah. 
Given the performance and endurance I currently get from my couple of Eneracers, I won’t be rushing out to buy one (if and when we get them in the UK – 2018?) of the 7.0 ProCores. 
What this new battery range does have me holding out hope for is an 18V plunge saw, table saw and mitre saw (duel bevel mind!). An 18V random orbital sander would be nice too ;), not that it would need a 7.0ah+ battery. “

Stercorarius wrote:

1 hour ago, Stercorarius said:

The only way they could just go taller is if maybe they turned the cells so they are set in vertical. 20700 and 21700 cells would be 5mm longer so you would need 5mm spacing between the batteries and 2.5mm on the outsides of the two batteries unless they can cut out a good chunk of the battery shell. I guess we shall see when they release them. Curious as to how much space the 18×2 recip and circular saws have. I think a few guys have them on here.

While it wouldn’t be ideal there’s every possibility an adaptor or shoe could be offered that will offset the batteries to give a wider spacing. Based on the image I’ve attached but set up to fit current 18×2 tools. 

Ned wrote:

33 minutes ago, Ned said:

This article is about the newest Bosch ProCore batteries but Makita will be nothing short of it as well as the timing.

 

“Written on 30.09.2017, 16:57 o’clock

So, if the 6.3ah high amp Eneracer batteries weren’t enough, Bosch looks set for a re-brand with 3 new battery sizes, code name ProCore (the Eneracers were called Core in the US…). 
The sizes are a suspected 3.5ah slim pack (this one interests me most if I’m honest – decent juice but light and compact), a “universal” 7.0ah, same pack size as the Eneracer and an “endurance” pack that, doing a bit of 2+2, many suspect will be a whopping 10.5ah! 
The old coolpacks used the now common-or-garden 18650 cells. The Eneracers use the 20700 cells, with 2 rows of 5 delivering 6.3ah. If the new “universal” ProCore is delivering 7ah and capable of 90 amps (!! what’s that … like a 1600w equivolent?), I suspect Bosch are using the 21700 cells for the ProCores? 
I read in toolguyd.com that we’re looking at paying in order of Euro199/$237 for the 7.0ah. 
Given the performance and endurance I currently get from my couple of Eneracers, I won’t be rushing out to buy one (if and when we get them in the UK – 2018?) of the 7.0 ProCores. 
What this new battery range does have me holding out hope for is an 18V plunge saw, table saw and mitre saw (duel bevel mind!). An 18V random orbital sander would be nice too ;), not that it would need a 7.0ah+ battery. “

Here’s a sneaky peak from toolfreakz @ Instagram.

Makita would benefit from having some high capacity slim packs for their impact drivers. Looks like the Bosch is getting 4.0 ah from their slim packs from the image @kornomaniac posted. Be cool if Makita is similar or better. Just hope they don’t forget a battery life gauge.

I got rid of all of my Bosch 18v stuff and most of the 12v. For 12v I have a couple of Bosch jackets, soon to be two flashlights and the vacuum. Most of my newer tools have been Dewalt and Makita. I would love to see Makita come out with the high cap slim packs like Metabo and Hitachi are offering right now. Right now all of my Makita packs are 4.0s and a 2.0 with only the 2.0having the fuel gauge. I’ve had all of my Makita stuff for going on 4 years without issue but I wish I had the next gen batteries. I don’t see a point in replacing them though.

Stercorarius wrote:

19 hours ago, Stercorarius said:

Makita would benefit from having some high capacity slim packs for their impact drivers. Looks like the Bosch is getting 4.0 ah from their slim packs from the image @kornomaniac posted. Be cool if Makita is similar or better. Just hope they don’t forget a battery life gauge.

All new Makita batteries have battery indicator. Check for letter “B” after the number aka BL1850B. 

SchenzhenSpecial wrote:

20 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:

While it wouldn’t be ideal there’s every possibility an adaptor or shoe could be offered that will offset the batteries to give a wider spacing. Based on the image I’ve attached but set up to fit current 18×2 tools. 

I will be visiting D&M Tool Show (London, UK) on Sat and were Makita will sell x2 Grinder and gonna check for the spacing in the batteries as Makita reps does not make any comment about any new stuff. Will take tape measure with me 🙂 

Ned wrote:

3 hours ago, Ned said:

I will be visiting D&M Tool Show (London, UK) on Sat and were Makita will sell x2 Grinder and gonna check for the spacing in the batteries as Makita reps does not make any comment about any new stuff. Will take tape measure with me 🙂 

The spacing is bigger on the x2 grinders and one of the new line trimmer. Could the new x2 power head tool. Spacing on the rear handle circ saw isn’t 

Makita_2233 wrote:

5 minutes ago, Makita_2233 said:

The spacing is bigger on the x2 grinders and one of the new line trimmer. Could the new x2 power head tool. Spacing on the rear handle circ saw isn’t 

Honest talks I am geting quite concerned about if the new batteries if any bigger (according to increased rumors about 21700 cell to be used) will fit my 3-4 Years old tools which still serve me well and I have no desire to change them any time soon. 

Ned wrote:

3 hours ago, Ned said:

I will be visiting D&M Tool Show (London, UK) on Sat and were Makita will sell x2 Grinder and gonna check for the spacing in the batteries as Makita reps does not make any comment about any new stuff. Will take tape measure with me 🙂 

I’ll be there myself. The DGA900 is already set up for wider batteries. 

Ned wrote:

14 minutes ago, Ned said:

Honest talks I am geting quite concerned about if the new batteries if any bigger (according to increased rumors about 21700 cell to be used) will fit my 3-4 Years old tools which still serve me well and I have no desire to change them any time soon. 

Do you have any X2 tools? If so what’s the gap measure between two current batteries?

Ned wrote:

18 minutes ago, Ned said:

Honest talks I am geting quite concerned about if the new batteries if any bigger (according to increased rumors about 21700 cell to be used) will fit my 3-4 Years old tools which still serve me well and I have no desire to change them any time soon. 

I’m unfortunate to say I think that any newer 20700 or 21700 celled batteries will not fit older X2 tools ( rotary, brushed circ saw, some garden tools )

However their might be a trade in system, perhaps new housings will be made available ( which are wider ) or perhaps an adapter. Who knows 🙂

SchenzhenSpecial wrote:

5 minutes ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:

 

Do you have any X2 tools? If so what’s the gap measure between two current batteries?

I do not have x2. I will get x2 only if able to use with x1 or with x2 batteries otherwise I have a lot 18v and the same 110v for more power when required. I would like x2 concept but need to be able to run x2 tool with x1 battery for reguliary use but be able to stick another battery on demand.

kornomaniac wrote:

24 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:

 

I’m unfortunate to say I think that any newer 20700 or 21700 celled batteries will not fit older X2 tools ( rotary, brushed circ saw, some garden tools )

 

However their might be a trade in system, perhaps new housings will be made available ( which are wider ) or perhaps an adapter. Who knows 🙂

Maybe for the US/AUS markets but as for the UK/EU we’ll get what we’re given and like it.

kornomaniac wrote:

1 hour ago, kornomaniac said:

 

I’m unfortunate to say I think that any newer 20700 or 21700 celled batteries will not fit older X2 tools ( rotary, brushed circ saw, some garden tools )

 

However their might be a trade in system, perhaps new housings will be made available ( which are wider ) or perhaps an adapter. Who knows 🙂

Dang…. Bit of repeating history here korno >:(

There’s gonna be some angry Makita users…

dwain wrote:

2 hours ago, dwain said:

 

Dang…. Bit of repeating history here korno >:(

 

There’s gonna be some angry Makita users…

Yeah, I might be one if I chose to go with those new batteries. I like that my Dewalt 60s fit in my 20 slots so it’ll be a shame if I cannot put these high caps in my chainsaw. But then again, I’m young, I’ll get over it 👍

ChrisK wrote:

1 minute ago, ChrisK said:

Yeah, I might be one if I chose to go with those new batteries. I like that my Dewalt 60s fit in my 20 slots so it’ll be a shame if I cannot put these high caps in my chainsaw. But then again, I’m young, I’ll get over it 👍

Yeah. They already pissed off users by not having backwards compatibility on their older tools with higher capacity batteries, as well as those tabs that stop users from using 1.5Ah batts on high-draw tools. AND they’ve never brought 2Ah slim batts to Australia and other places. Also one of the very last to put battery indicators on. Now this.

C’mon Makita, pick up your battery game!

dwain wrote:

6 hours ago, dwain said:

 

Dang…. Bit of repeating history here korno >:(

 

There’s gonna be some angry Makita users…

Yeah sorry man 🙂 older X2 tools just don’t have the gap for wider batteries. And I doubt 2.5mm can be taken off from the housing. It isn’t that thick.

Maybe vertical placement of the cells. Who knows 🙂

dwain wrote:

9 hours ago, dwain said:

 

Yeah. They already pissed off users by not having backwards compatibility on their older tools with higher capacity batteries, as well as those tabs that stop users from using 1.5Ah batts on high-draw tools. AND they’ve never brought 2Ah slim batts to Australia and other places. Also one of the very last to put battery indicators on. Now this.

 

C’mon Makita, pick up your battery game!

I doubt they even care what people think. Privately owned company. Really the current x2 with standard gap are fine with double 4.0, 5.0 and 6.0. The x2 9″ has the bigger spacing and need bigger celled batteries. X2 sds max will need the same 

dwain wrote:

10 hours ago, dwain said:

 

Yeah. They already pissed off users by not having backwards compatibility on their older tools with higher capacity batteries, as well as those tabs that stop users from using 1.5Ah batts on high-draw tools. AND they’ve never brought 2Ah slim batts to Australia and other places. Also one of the very last to put battery indicators on. Now this.

 

C’mon Makita, pick up your battery game!

To be fair its the older 1.3ah BL1815 with no star protection that doesn’t fit on high drain tools but the newer 1.5ah BL15n does fit.   

kornomaniac wrote:

7 hours ago, kornomaniac said:

Yeah sorry man 🙂 older X2 tools just don’t have the gap for wider batteries. And I doubt 2.5mm can be taken off from the housing. It isn’t that thick.

 

Maybe vertical placement of the cells. Who knows 🙂

So’Kay with me, my X2 chainsaw running 4.0s cuts pretty much anything that bar can get through so now worries, just a bummer.

dmz2084 wrote:

3 hours ago, dmz2084 said:

To be fair its the older 1.3ah BL1815 with no star protection that doesn’t fit on high drain tools but the newer 1.5ah BL15n does fit.   

Realistically, why are you even considering anything lower than a 4ah battery for high drain tools? 

SchenzhenSpecial wrote:

16 minutes ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:

 

Realistically, why are you even considering anything lower than a 4ah battery for high drain tools? 

You don’t really but some tools with the black star battery terminal aren’t actually high drain tools.

I just want solid state batteries to come out soon. Quite a few advantages over li-ion.

SchenzhenSpecial wrote:

2 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:

 

Realistically, why are you even considering anything lower than a 4ah battery for high drain tools? 

To have the possibility at least would be nice. A new 1,5 or 2Ah battery most likely handles a high drain tool as good (or as bad) as an old 1,3Ah (expecting the “good old 1,3” like the original Sony VTC in the BL1815, newer 1,3Ah are often “budget” versions with lower rating cells). It is a decision to make, will I completely restrict getting poor performance on these occasions or tolerate it for emergencies and inform users that for some tools you need more than 1 row of cells.

I like that i can use my angle grinder for a light duty job with the 2Ah battery when my 2 row packs are flat, even though it is completely unappropriate thing to do.

Jronman wrote:

1 hour ago, Jronman said:

I just want solid state batteries to come out soon. Quite a few advantages over li-ion.

Do you know of any decent report/website/YouTube vid on solid state batteries ? 🙂

kornomaniac wrote:

4 hours ago, kornomaniac said:

Do you know of any decent report/website/YouTube vid on solid state batteries ? 🙂

The article I seen was from protool reviews.

https://www.protoolreviews.com/news/solid-state-battery-technology/30038/

Just back from D&M Tool Show (London, UK) and ones again Makita does not have 6Ah battery for sell. Last week Screwfix LIVE tool fair was the same. Official reply “Out of stock” and Makita do not take orders on these , unofficial “discounted”. Which make me hope than we might see the new batteries with newer sells before end of this Year.

Bosch have had the new ProCore 7Ah on display and will be on the shelves at the end of the month. Ones again just few months between the announcement and product make it to the  shelves. Wish Makita were like that.

Have checked the spacing on the x2 tools. On Makita there is a plastic divider between the two batteries while on Metabo x2 there is open space. I think that the newest (bigger batteries) will fit Makita present day x2 tools as there is plenty of space despite the divider.    

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Look at all that wasted space and plastic between the batteries – what if Makita somehow designed a single encased 36V battery that consumed both slots? I would imagine that releasing/removing the battery may be challenging, but maybe they could also design a single release button, or some sort of clever battery release. Darn, but then another charger would need to be released.

bee-man wrote:

1 hour ago, bee-man said:

Look at all that wasted space and plastic between the batteries – what if Makita somehow designed a single encased 36V battery that consumed both slots? I would imagine that releasing/removing the battery may be challenging, but maybe they could also design a single release button, or some sort of clever battery release. Darn, but then another charger would need to be released.

Makita used to have 36v battery lineup, then switched to 18v x2

Am I the only one who doesn’t want big ass bricks on the bottom of my tools? Flexvolt looks ridiculously stupid. Certain tools need to be compact. I love my 18×2 chainsaw and Rotary Hammer. I love my impact even more, BECAUSE it’s compact. 15 more minutes of runtime isn’t worth the bulk to me.


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The only time the huge packs are needed is on high demand tools like Rotohammers and Cutting tools really.

I am into demolition and refurbishment trade and I really need HD batteries. Current stock is quite capable for ordinary no push work, but in my trade my batteries heats quickly and shuts down the tool. I got 8 to overcome this problem but for me will be better to have fewer but bigger batteries.   

@Ned

Do your makita batteries overheat? 🙂  On what tools? 🙂

When I am blasting holes in concrete, chipping or coring, the 5.0’s work great. If I am doing anything bigger than a 1” hole/ 3 1/2” core, I grab an sds max. I don’t lean into the tool.
Too many guys are clueless about proper tool operation. You see them pushing into the tool with everything they’ve got. It’s no wonder their tools don’t last or overheat.


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kornomaniac wrote:

4 hours ago, kornomaniac said:

@Ned

 

Do your makita batteries overheat? 🙂  On what tools? 🙂

I push them hard but still so does my colleague his Dewalt.

I use a lot my BJR181 Recip saw and my DHS680 circular saw, cutting old rafters and joist, old timber with everything embedded in it. My BLS713 also gives a hard time to my batteries (all BL1830 some new with charge level some older).

On the same work my  colleague`s Dewalt does not heat as much but he has got bigger batteries (not Flexvolt).

The tools are to serve us and not other way around.

Most of us here know what is right use and what not and we do no discuss the most extreme cases here. 

But sometimes we all think the our colleagues had a better set 🙂    

Ned wrote:

I push them hard but still so does my colleague his Dewalt.

 

Finally GPS tags (from Samsung)! It would be nice if MAKITA comes up with something similar.

This could be promising if the price is right :). Gonna stick few of them in different tool boxes.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/10/17/samsungs-connect-tag-low-power-cellular-tracker-needs-charged-week/

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-connect-tag/

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=19696

Common Makita, give us something to better protect our tools.

Ned wrote:

4 hours ago, Ned said:

Finally GPS tags (from Samsung)! It would be nice if MAKITA comes up with something similar.

This could be promising if the price is right :). Gonna stick few of them in different tool boxes.

 

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-connect-tag/

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=19696

 

Common Makita, give us something to better protect our tools.

Waste of time and money. I’ve been a vitim of tool theft and I’ve investigated. Your best line of protection is a robust insuarance police and paying attention to your gear. These tags aren’t independent GPS devices and until that day comes, they’re only as good as the cellphone they’re linked to.

SchenzhenSpecial wrote:

19 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:

 

Waste of time and money. I’ve been a vitim of tool theft and I’ve investigated. Your best line of protection is a robust insuarance police and paying attention to your gear. These tags aren’t independent GPS devices and until that day comes, they’re only as good as the cellphone they’re linked to.

That is the point, to be link to my cell phone which is always with me. Insurance does not cover if your van have been open and not broken into. 

This is , if the right price of course, just another layer of protection.  

Ned wrote:

19 hours ago, Ned said:

Finally GPS tags (from Samsung)! It would be nice if MAKITA comes up with something similar.

This could be promising if the price is right :). Gonna stick few of them in different tool boxes.

 

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-connect-tag/

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=19696

 

Common Makita, give us something to better protect our tools.

7 days battery life in these tags….

Ned wrote:

14 hours ago, Ned said:

That is the point, to be link to my cell phone which is always with me. Insurance does not cover if your van have been open and not broken into. 

This is , if the right price of course, just another layer of protection.  

It’s a waste of time and money.

No new batteries just yet but the Lock Down battery adapter has arrived. 

Wow that has to be the most useless “protection” device ever invented