kat wrote:
Wow that has to be the most useless “protection” device ever invented
If it did the tool as well, that might be decent.
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HiltiWpg wrote:
On 16/11/2017 at 2:04 AM, HiltiWpg said:
If it did the tool as well, that might be decent.
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Tools don’t hold money as well as the batteries do.
You can sell a second hand battery that’s well used (here in the UK at least) for almost as much as it was new. Some people thing a £5/£10 saving is better than a 3 year warranty in a professional environment would you believe.
Tools that look well used regardless of age generally go for a fraction of the original price.
I’ve known people have their tool bags and boxes turned over and the only things that have gone missing are batteries and lasers because they’re the smallest items to carry and fetch the most money. Thieves know it.
Not sure if it worth the cost if you only have a handful of batteries but it might be a consideration when you’re at say 1:10 the cost against batteries. I wouldn’t be leaving it in the site box though. If I were a thief that would be gone too.
I just dont see how it’s gonna prevent theft. Thieves don’t have the time to check if batteries could be ‘ sync locked’. They’ll just grab everything they can in a van/garage and worry about sync lock afterwards
kornomaniac wrote:
On 17/11/2017 at 12:07 PM, kornomaniac said:I just dont see how it’s gonna prevent theft. Thieves don’t have the time to check if batteries could be ‘ sync locked’. They’ll just grab everything they can in a van/garage and worry about sync lock afterwards
Once they’re all sync lock enabled or the possibility of they’re useless to anyone without the controller. Thieves aren’t stupid and an item that doesn’t work doesn’t sell so why risk jail for what ‘could be’.
There’s no way for a thief to know they’re sync locked. I disagree on the “thieves aren’t stupid” as well.
I have heard tool theft is a huge issue in the UK right now
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
9 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:
Once they’re all sync lock enabled or the possibility of they’re useless to anyone without the controller. Thieves aren’t stupid and an item that doesn’t work doesn’t sell so why risk jail for what ‘could be’.
Thieves just crack open a van and take everything that’s inside. They wouldn’t give a fuck if some of the batteries inside might be sync locked.
There’s still alot of tools inside any van they want to break into.
Sync lock seems to be mostly helping with job site shrinkage not for full blown theft.
kornomaniac wrote:
15 hours ago, kornomaniac said:Thieves just crack open a van and take everything that’s inside. They wouldn’t give a fuck if some of the batteries inside might be sync locked.
There’s still alot of tools inside any van they want to break into.
More fool the guy leaving his tools in a van thinking they’re safe. I’m talking from experience.
You’re right in this instance but I don’t think that’s the intention. It’s more common now to just steal the van contents included rather than spend time breaking into one.
Yeah that also happens.
For sync lock to have a slightest chance of having a meaningful impact Makita would have to throw a absolute shitload of marketing for the term ” sync lock’ . Even my grandmother should know of the term, else there hasn’t been enough marketing that potential thieves know about it.
Makita should provide free big ass stickers to put on your van so it’s visible from afar that batteries are sync locked.
And no means to hack the batteries/controller should exist ( and everything is hackable )
Don’t see it really working 🙂
Yeah like Hilti said only place it would be effective is for the workers using them to not walk off the job site with them in their lunchboxes because they know all the tools only run for one shift. Makita would have to give them or for free if they wanted individuals to use them for theft prevention because 100% of tools would have to be locked before a thief would know not to take them but they would probably still take and/or destroy them just because.
Ned wrote:
2 hours ago, Ned said:On my question about any New Batteries any time soon, Makita UK answers,Hi Ned, No new batteries at the moment i’m afraid. Regards, MakitaUK
Makita UK are useless and know nothing. Don’t waste your time.
@SchenzhenSpecial
Do you have any other info about any new batteries from where you are?
Ned wrote:
3 hours ago, Ned said:@SchenzhenSpecial
Do you have any other info about any new batteries from where you are?
Yeah, not this year.
Latest single battery chain saw doesn’t seem to have enough space for a bigger battery pack. Also the not yet released X2 circ saw is back to “regular” spacing between the packs. (I checked all vids and pics available and I swear there is no gap). Could this mean Makita will stick with its regular sized packs in the future and avoid this “the bigger the better” nonsense? Just a speculation, but could this mean Makita will skip 20700/21700 cells altogether and come up with something even better? Something that will keep up with performance, but won’t grow in size. Time for Solid state batteries?
Why does everyone think that solid state is so close. Everything I read about it suggests it is still several years away at least and even then we will only start seeing it smaller devices like cell phones and laptops before access will be cost effective enough for power tools.
I would be blown away if Makita could pull that rabbit out its secret hat but I won’t be holding my breath.
danielicrazy wrote:
2 hours ago, danielicrazy said:Why does everyone think that solid state is so close. Everything I read about it suggests it is still several years away at least and even then we will only start seeing it smaller devices like cell phones and laptops before access will be cost effective enough for power tools.
I would be blown away if Makita could pull that rabbit out its secret hat but I won’t be holding my breath.
I totally agree with you. That`s way I keep asking Makita for HD Battery Packs which are proven to hold for longer and give more power, especially Metabo and Bosch .
Being realistic, what woild a SS or HD battery give you that you don’t already have?
Not much is the answer.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
28 minutes ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:Being realistic, what woild a SS or HD battery give you that you don’t already have?
Not much is the answer.
Same runtime in a lighter/more compact package or more runtime in same size/weight of package.
OTH, especially bigger Makita drills and full size impacts are made to be used with big batteries. The balance just isnt right with a 1.5/2.0Ah slim battery.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
8 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:Being realistic, what woild a SS or HD battery give you that you don’t already have?
Not much is the answer.
Not much but the large grinders and chainsaws are the tools at the moment that overheat Makita batteries. They could use bigger battery packs for runtime prefably with 21700 cells so they won’t overheat so quickly.
On other tools I wouldn’t see the need for bigger heavier packs. A convenience perhaps in some situations but not needed 🙂
kornomaniac wrote:
1 hour ago, kornomaniac said:Not much but the large grinders and chainsaws are the tools at the moment that overheat Makita batteries. They could use bigger battery packs for runtime prefably with 21700 cells so they won’t overheat so quickly.
On other tools I wouldn’t see the need for bigger heavier packs. A convenience perhaps in some situations but not needed 🙂
Rotary hammers could also use a bigger capacity packs.
aessu wrote:
35 minutes ago, aessu said:Rotary hammers could also use a bigger capacity packs.
Everything could. Don’t find it a necessity for rotary hammers. The runtime on rotaries is ok imo 🙂
With the tools that are overheating batteries then I can see the requirement. However with much of the X2 OPE gear there’s no space for expansion or larger batteries anyway, chainsaws included.
The 36v 9″ would benefit but at the same time I see it as a bit of a gimmick for anything other than short bursts of work. The price has fallen by 2/3s in the UK since this time last year so I think the market feels the same way.
Makita don’t have a rotary hammer which needs any more than they currently offer. We’ll see what the DHR282 is like but it’s not a requirement and more of a desire.
Just do what I do, take more than one battery to work with you and you’ll be fine.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
3 minutes ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:With the tools that are overheating then I can see the requirement. However with much of the X2 OPE gear there’s no space for expansion or larger batteries anyway.
Makita don’t have a rotary hammer which needs any more than they currently offer. We’ll see what the DHR282 is like but it’s not a requirement and more of a desire.
Just do what I do, take more than one battery to work with you and you’ll be fine.
DHR282 probably helps a bit, being brushless, but the current DHR264 certainly could use more runtime.
Im packing 9 5Ah batteries and two twin chargers with me at work.
aessu wrote:
1 minute ago, aessu said:DHR282 probably helps a bit, being brushless, but the current DHR264 certainly could use more runtime.
Im packing 9 5Ah batteries and two twin chargers with me at work.
And that isn’t enough?
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
4 minutes ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:
And that isn’t enough?
I get by most of the time just fine, but with all the tools I have, I keep having a feeling that I could use two more batteries and third twin charger, so I could have all of my batteries full in the morning.
edit: Especially when using the DUC353 chainsaw at the same time as DHR264, as Im also usually using atleast a third tool.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
1 hour ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:With the tools that are overheating batteries then I can see the requirement. However with much of the X2 OPE gear there’s no space for expansion or larger batteries anyway, chainsaws included.
The 36v 9″ would benefit but at the same time I see it as a bit of a gimmick for anything other than short bursts of work. The price has fallen by 2/3s in the UK since this time last year so I think the market feels the same way.
Makita don’t have a rotary hammer which needs any more than they currently offer. We’ll see what the DHR282 is like but it’s not a requirement and more of a desire.
Just do what I do, take more than one battery to work with you and you’ll be fine.
The X2 chainsaw does have room for larger batteries 🙂
and there is a newer version of the grinders coming . That’s why the old one is so cheap 🙂
aessu wrote:
1 hour ago, aessu said:
edit: Especially when using the DUC353 chainsaw at the same time as DHR264, as Im also usually using atleast a third tool.
Dhr264 is just a waaaay too old inefficient 2 pole motor from 9 years old or so 🙂
kornomaniac wrote:
37 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:
Dhr264 is just a waaaay too old inefficient 2 pole motor from 9 years old or so 🙂
Even if it is a old design, its what available from Makita in that category.
kornomaniac wrote:
52 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:The X2 chainsaw does have room for larger batteries 🙂
and there is a newer version of the grinders coming . That’s why the old one is so cheap 🙂
Newer version of grinders? Do you know anything more please? What new features will these grinders have…? AWS maybe?
aessu wrote:
8 hours ago, aessu said:Even if it is a old design, its what available from Makita in that category.
True. But that doesn’t prove that bigger batteries are needed. An updated rotary is needed
QuasarCZ wrote:
7 hours ago, QuasarCZ said:
Newer version of grinders? Do you know anything more please? What new features will these grinders have…? AWS maybe?
Yes only aws
kornomaniac wrote:
9 hours ago, kornomaniac said:The X2 chainsaw does have room for larger batteries 🙂
Like what, 2 mm wider?
Why do all the newer X2 tools have like 2 cm gap between the packs then? Except the latest circular saw, where the spacing between the packs seem to be back to a couple of milimeters. I’m just intrigued what this inconsistency could possibly mean.🤔
kornomaniac wrote:
10 hours ago, kornomaniac said:The X2 chainsaw does have room for larger batteries 🙂
and there is a newer version of the grinders coming . That’s why the old one is so cheap 🙂
They don’t knock 2/3rds the price off just because they’re bringing a model with AWS 😂. Example, the DSP60X is a hot seller so right now there’s no more than £40 difference between the 600 and 601 plunge saw with AWS. The DGA900 isn’t selling, a look on the history of most eBay listings show it’s sold more units in the past month than it did in the 12 months before hand because the market wasn’t interested in it at the price it was offered. The 900 will still be available for sale because some people will never need AWS so won’t want to pay the premium for it; not to mention the backlog of stock Makita will already hold that can’t be repurposed.
As for extra room on the X2, post above hit the nail on the head. All newer X2 tools are set up for a wider battery where as that X2 chainsaw could only accommodate a deeper battery. So no, I really don’t think it does have any extra room. Nor does the 302.
QuasarCZ wrote:
9 hours ago, QuasarCZ said:
Newer version of grinders? Do you know anything more please? What new features will these grinders have…? AWS maybe?
The 7″ and 9″ is being re-released with AWS.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
5 hours ago, SchenzhenSpecial said:They don’t knock 2/3rds the price off just because they’re bringing a model with AWS 😂. Example, the DSP60X is a hot seller so right now there’s no more than £40 difference between the 600 and 601 plunge saw with AWS. The DGA900 isn’t selling, a look on the history of most eBay listings show it’s sold more units in the past month than it did in the 12 months before hand because the market wasn’t interested in it at the price it was offered. The 900 will still be available for sale because some people will never need AWS so won’t want to pay the premium for it; not to mention the backlog of stock Makita will already hold that can’t be repurposed.
As for extra room on the X2, post above hit the nail on the head. All newer X2 tools are set up for a wider battery where as that X2 chainsaw could only accommodate a deeper battery. So no, I really don’t think it does have any extra room. Nor does the 302.
Agreed on the grinder.
And obviously noone was talking about that age old top handle X2. We’re talking about the brushless X2 chainsaw
Martin wrote:
5 hours ago, Martin said:Like what, 2 mm wider?
Why do all the newer X2 tools have like 2 cm gap between the packs then? Except the latest circular saw, where the spacing between the packs seem to be back to a couple of milimeters. I’m just intrigued what this inconsistency could possibly mean.🤔
It’s indeed 5 mm extra. What you would need for 21700 cells.
On the latest circular saw I find it strange indeed 🙂 well have to wait and see
Maybe they really managed to cramp 21700 cells into a pack that is only 5 mm wider? For me as a Makita user that would be a dream come true. With other brands, hi-drain packs tend to be hideously big, more than shere difference in cell dimensions would imply. Except for perhaps Bosch Core, which is pretty compact.
If that is the case, it would explain why the latest circ saw has narrower gap. 5 – 6 mm would do.
They only need 5 mm more really I think ? 21700 cells are only 5 mm wider then the current 18650.
Bosch’s procore are a fine example. Only 5 mm bigger then the ‘ older’ batteries
I’ve just measured the duc254. Single battery brushless chainsaw. There is a 3 mm gap next to the battery between it and the housing. If 5 mm more is all Makita needs ( 2.5 mm to each side ) then a 21700 celled battery would fit the chainsaw
Thanks for measuring! Then it’s either very compact 21700 packs, or they really have something revolutionary up their sleeve. Eiter way I’m a happy camper 😛.
Btw Dominic, do you have clear favorite between X2 and single battery brushless chainsaws? I can’t make up my mind which to get.
They are for different purposes really. Do u need to cut firewood or down a smaller tree now and then ? Then get the X2. Just for trimming ? ( Is that the correct word ? ) Then the 18v brushless ( which is amazeballs )
Both are great tools on their own 🙂
That’s what I feared. I knew I needed both! 😆 Thank you, I think I get a trimming saw and stick with my old Stihl for bigger jobs.
So much space around the batteries!
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HiltiWpg wrote:
3 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:So much space around the batteries!
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Got this on in on Monday. Fuck that has a lot of torque .
Please STOP plaguing my post with tools reviews and queries ! ONLY Batteries related info here to be posted. Thank you all!
It is directly related.
The space around the batteries would appear to support a larger pack.
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Ned wrote:
Will we see any time soon something like form Makita?
It seems the latest Makita 6Ah still employ the 18650 cells.
You asked, we replied.
That’s how this works!
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Interesting input to the topic has Toolpig on Instagram.
Martin wrote:
3 hours ago, Martin said:Interesting input to the topic has Toolpig on Instagram.
Not really. Hasn’t said anything we don’t already know.