yes, we have all seen this pic
I mean a “product” pic AND model number
If recent history re: yellow tools and the Surge are anything to go off of, just check Home Depot’s site periodically and they’ll give you the details earlier than anyone else lol.
New stuff ….when is this show,expo..?
Press release yesterday shows DCE151 20v XR cable stripper and DCE151 20v ACSR cable cutter. Looks like yellow wants to hone in more seriously on one corner of the Milwaukee triangle lol.
If DeWALT is venturing into the electrician world then Milwaukee should dive into woodworking tools like a table saw or track saw.
I think next week will show that is where Milwaukee is headed.
I think Milwaukee stays out of woodworking….I think lackluster sales of the 10″ mitre changed their mind….ope duel batt will be next for them…and a bigger battery
Framer joe wrote:
1 hour ago, Framer joe said:I think Milwaukee stays out of woodworking….I think lackluster sales of the 10″ mitre changed their mind….ope duel batt will be next for them…and a bigger battery
I’d like to see Milwaukee either up their 28 Volt range, or go head to head with Flexvolt. I love Red tools, but as said elsewhere on this forum, 18 Volts doesn’t cover everything!
M28 would be a half measure. Leave that corpse in the grave, no fan of Milwaukee wants NPS17 to be Weekend at Bernie’s. M18x2 or bust. They preached the gospel of single battery platform benefits far too zealously to make major changes. All that does is damage their credibility.
Time they swallowed some pride? They can’t ride M18 forever!
Bremon wrote:
42 minutes ago, Bremon said:They preached the gospel of single battery platform benefits far too zealously
Makita is the only one this can apply to. With using only one battery platform you got 3 areas covered that other companies split up into 2 or 3 battery platforms. They got subcompact, 18v, and x2. The m18/m12 combo chargers almost make up for it though since you only need one charger for 2 different batteries.
Apply it to whatever you want, Makita still has 12v CXT and the fact of the matter is Milwaukee has repeatedly stated their intent to stick to M18 while downplaying the benefits of higher voltage.
It’s tough to state a way of life for Milwaukee….then change . Really tough spot to be in ..they condemned all companies with an x2 platform stating they only need one big 9ah…and also higher voltage…….
….it will be interesting to see what Milwaukee does and how they explain it to everyone…
M18 sds max, they brag of twenty minutes chipping time! That’s crap! I’d rather get the corded tool out! They need to up the voltage for the same power output and thus improve efficiency. Flexvolt is heading in the right direction.
X2 would solve a lot of their problems and save a lot of face imo. A new platform would be embarrassing after last year’s PR. I’m optimistic we’ll see some great stuff from them next week but if it’s a new battery platform I’ll likely just laugh and buy more yellow.
Doesn’t Milwaukee x2 …still lose face ? I mean they came down hard on two battery platforms claiming 1 big Milwaukee battery solves all world problems……maybe they have a trick up their sleeve
Well they could stretch it with a 10.5 amp battery with 20700 cells. The 3.5 amp lithium cells metabo uses is their 7amp LIHD .
A battery as such ( tho being thesize if not bigger of most 36v batteries ) would let them stretch the whole ‘ one big battery is enough ‘ idea
I don’t think any tricks exist as nifty as FlexVolt. X2 M18 is still less embarrassing than a new battery platform. They really came down hard on Dewalt for having even more new batteries, at least they can claim loyalty to M18 customers and a firm commitment to that platform.
^That’s also a good point @kornomaniac. Would be pretty funny after HD9.0 last year to get an XHD10.5. eXtremely High Demand ?.
They wouldn’t be able to claim 125+ tool compatibility however without a 3rd version of the octagon and pretending the lunchbox vac doesn’t exist. The HD9.0 just barely squeezes in there as it is.
Lower voltage and higher capacity does have a big benefit, it reduces the load per cell thus increasing pack life. However, this is still less efficient than a high voltage set-up. Six and two threes?
From what I have heard dual battery m18 miter saw is a thing.
Bremon wrote:
6 hours ago, Bremon said:X2 would solve a lot of their problems and save a lot of face imo. A new platform would be embarrassing after last year’s PR. I’m optimistic we’ll see some great stuff from them next week but if it’s a new battery platform I’ll likely just laugh and buy more yellow.
If it’s a new platform Jimbo might have an aneurysm…
jkeating3 wrote:
18 minutes ago, jkeating3 said:If it’s a new platform Jimbo might have an aneurysm…
He’ll at least be absolutely full of crow for crapping on Dewalt from great heights for introducing a new platform ?
Full circle…….
Dewalt only needs one thing Add on hooks ! Especially for sawzall
Bremon wrote:
9 hours ago, Bremon said:He’ll at least be absolutely full of crow for crapping on Dewalt from great heights for introducing a new platform ?
Mmmmwaaaaa hahahahahaha
I think you’re all wrong at this point, freaking Ryobi is innovating the 18v segment more than M and D combined at the rate they’ve been going. If trajectories continue not only will they have the largest lineup, the most diverse lineup, but also increased quality of tools and components. Years ago they were a joke but I give them all the credit for being capable of leading the class within 5 years if they keep pushing.
Homeowners outnumber contractors what, thousands to 1? Their profit margins are probably awful being so affordable but they’re going to crush it on volume because of market saturation. They have no bottleneck other than reputation, which is growing better every day.
That said Dewalt was brilliant by moving to 60/120v because they’re in a class of their own and everyone else is ignoring it publically. But the lack of competition in the class also means a lot of coasting for Dewalt (like the 60v table saw, common man, clear milking of the cow here and the recip is basic af. No hook, no adjustable shoe, no advanced blade action options or AVT, gtfo) making a slow innovator even slower. They should be moving in for the kill now. Innovate. Make the highest quality tools for your premium price before someone pulls out the rug from beneath your feet. There’s a plethora of contractors waiting for someone to lead the industry clearly for them to convert from cords to cordless completely and Dewalt is the only one in position for widespread adoption with the ability to run virtually every tool on a job cordless.
@Hugh Jass what about the table saw is milking? The blade being smaller than 10″?
Will/can the competition follow DeWalt’s lead? Could Milwaukee release their own version of Flexvolt under the name “Multivolt”? (Perhaps I should register that name idea?)
I’d imagine FlexVolt has patents out the ass, so either Dewalt decides to license the tech to Milwaukee for a fortune, Milwaukee has to come up with a compromised solution to do a similar action, or Milwaukee waits years for parents to expire. I don’t foresee the first option being the one we see happen.
Bremon wrote:
1 hour ago, Bremon said:@Hugh Jass what about the table saw is milking? The blade being smaller than 10″?
Not so much as the simultaneous release of the 790 which is 120v. How do you justify producing a single 120v tool when it’s arguably their most important product line going forward? Cordless now is only limited by the batteries that power them which will begin to have advantages over corded tools entirely through amperage. 60v table saw makes just as little sense as a ~8in blade. They should have pushed a 120v table saw from the get-go. It’s completely illogical, especially now that they’ve killed the 60v mains adapter. It’s inferior in every way. Now they’re going to make a 10 in 120v to double dip the segment with buyer’s remorse which is going to kick everyone’s ass…but why not already have done that?
Milking.
They did the same thing with the 7 1/4in miter saw. Now I have nothing to complain about with that unit other than the light, but it was obvious from the moment of release it was a double dip product having shipped with brushes when practically nothing else was. There’s no logical argument for it IMO.
From what I know OSHA has new standards re: table saws for table size vs blade size. The 60v FlexVolt was meant to be a 10″, basically a cordless 7480. New standards meant they could delay the product or switch blade size. I’m happy to have a table saw that’s fairly portable and still does everything I need of it. The 10″ 120v Max hybrid version is going to be a cordless version of the 7491RS basically.
That’s the table I have and it’s amazing, I’ll be jealous of everyone that has the cordless versions of the most expensive tools I own, lol.
Jronman wrote:
19 hours ago, Jronman said:From what I have heard dual battery m18 miter saw is a thing.
Someone once posted about it here, saying a friend saw it. But no link or pic was ever produced.
Bremon wrote:
2 hours ago, Bremon said:I’d imagine FlexVolt has patents out the ass, so either Dewalt decides to license the tech to Milwaukee for a fortune, Milwaukee has to come up with a compromised solution to do a similar action, or Milwaukee waits years for parents to expire. I don’t foresee the first option being the one we see happen.
Not sure there’s much they can patent other than the name, look at how many 18 Volt batteries there are on the market, all doing the same thing with just minor variations on how they hook up to the tool. PCs across the globe all do the same thing, but made in different factories. Time will tell.
SetBuilder wrote:
3 minutes ago, SetBuilder said:
Someone once posted about it here, saying a friend saw it. But no link or pic was ever produced.
i posted awhile back guys at work claimed to have tested one but that was it.
Tug wrote:
8 minutes ago, Tug said:
Not sure there’s much they can patent other than the name, look at how many 18 Volt batteries there are on the market, all doing the same thing with just minor variations on how they hook up to the tool. PCs across the globe all do the same thing, but made in different factories. Time will tell.
I would imagine several aspects of the mechanical switching action and the way the wiring is done in series and parallel is quite patentable.
I don’t know how big the 7491RS table saw is but it wouldn’t mind seeing a saw more on the lines of the Ridgid or Delta Hybrid saws.
I see Milwaukee’s next move to be x2 style and Onekey batteries then I see them being first to come out with solid state batteries.
The 7491 is 90lbs on its stand and has a 32.5″ rip. It’s a very capable saw.
Are solid state batteries anything more than a theory at the moment? I remember reading that university paper on them ages ago but they didn’t seem anywhere near ready for prime time. Most of my M18 batteries have a OneKey wifi symbol on them already; I imagine the app just needs an update.
Bremon wrote:
36 minutes ago, Bremon said:The 7491 is 90lbs on its stand and has a 32.5″ rip. It’s a very capable saw.
Are solid state batteries anything more than a theory at the moment? I remember reading that university paper on them ages ago but they didn’t seem anywhere near ready for prime time. Most of my M18 batteries have a OneKey wifi symbol on them already; I imagine the app just needs an update.
they aren’t far away. If anything its in the prototype stage.
Bremon wrote:
1 hour ago, Bremon said:I would imagine several aspects of the mechanical switching action and the way the wiring is done in series and parallel is quite patentable.
AVE did a teardown of a flexvolt, I’m sure he found it was more electronic than mechanical, but I’ll have to watch it again to be sure.
There’s a physical aspect to it, that’s how the shipping cap works.
well there are 2 tabs on the battery that get pushed to switch the voltage I think
I know I wasn’t on board with flexvolt when it first came out because to me it’s another battery platform. But after seeing the advantages of having more power I think they are alright with big tools. So my question is do people actually try to use the flexvolt battery across both the 20v and 60v lines. Meaning is there a real world advantage to having it be flexible or was it just a way of making people more open to the switch. To me I want the big batteries on the big tools and the small batteries on the small tools which pretty much means two battery platforms with compatible chargers.
Biggie wrote:
3 minutes ago, Biggie said:I know I wasn’t on board with flexvolt when it first came out because to me it’s another battery platform. But after seeing the advantages of having more power I think they are alright with big tools. So my question is do people actually try to use the flexvolt battery across both the 20v and 60v lines. Meaning is there a real world advantage to having it be flexible or was it just a way of making people more open to the switch. To me I want the big batteries on the big tools and the small batteries on the small tools which pretty much means two battery platforms with compatible chargers.
On the impact I definitely prefer a slim pack, but on the 996 combi drill I’m quite happy to use a flexvolt pack, it doesn’t ruin the feeling of the drill and you get more runtime. The cells are under no strain either because you’ve got three cells paralleled up and sharing the load. Flexvolt is no gimmick in my book, in terms of cordless tools it’s the best thing since sliced bread!
Biggie wrote:
9 minutes ago, Biggie said:I know I wasn’t on board with flexvolt when it first came out because to me it’s another battery platform. But after seeing the advantages of having more power I think they are alright with big tools. So my question is do people actually try to use the flexvolt battery across both the 20v and 60v lines. Meaning is there a real world advantage to having it be flexible or was it just a way of making people more open to the switch. To me I want the big batteries on the big tools and the small batteries on the small tools which pretty much means two battery platforms with compatible chargers.
For the 20v eaters (grinder, blower, saws, SDS’s, etc…) you have the runtime and power advantage. 9ah is a hell of a lot of battery.
Plenty of 20v tools it’s useful on. Otherwise what the hell is the point of the Milwaukee HD9.0 ?.
Hugh Jass wrote:
40 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:
For the 20v eaters (grinder, blower, saws, SDS’s, etc…) you have the runtime and power advantage. 9ah is a hell of a lot of battery.
Which is an advantage, making switching over easier because you can make the switch gradually using your current 20v tools. But aren’t those tools that as you wear them out and replace them, you’ll replace them with 60v tools which will eventually leave you with small batteries for your 20v tools and large batteries for your 60v tools. I know there are some exceptions such as lighting which dewalt is somewhat lacking in right now, but I’m just saying in general.
Just give me that new 20v 7-1/4 saw! @2-9/16th cutting depth I can finally quit using our beastly 10-1/4″ Milwaukee for cutting i-joist.