New stuff heading our way

Framer joe wrote:

23 minutes ago, Framer joe said:

Flex rear handle ? Q4 ? 

Yep. Hopefully same timeframe for Canada ?.

JimboS1ice wrote:

56 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:

Nah they’ll probably come out with a cordless worm, show it go through 4′ long timber, cooks a 9.0 at 4.1′ and act like they’ve re-invented the wheel, in the mean time Makita puts 4 packs on a 16″ saw

 

Poor Bosch guy couldn’t bring his Eneracer battery with him so he’s hacking by hand

Who are we kidding; the Bosch guy has Eneracer/Core batteries to spare because he doesn’t have a saw worth a damn to put them in. 

It would be disruptively innovative to put out a true cordless worm though; starter kit comes with Rapid charger, a 9.0, and some gear oil ?! We’ve done what competitors haven’t; delivered the true worm experience!

Framer joe wrote:

That’s a douchebag move…like you say just release both

Oh ya thanks we talked about that saw….still a douche move to not have a choice

Should have just released it to begin with, we’ll see if they put a hook on it


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All a process unfortunately. Same reason we got 6.5″ Fuel then 7.25″. Bigger bad ass later to sell more. Same reason we get the 10″ 120v Max hybrid table saw later. I’m sticking with the 8.25″ though; jokes on them ? or I get two table saws and life is grand?

I love  the 8.25 table saw 

The FlexVolt rear handle circular saw DOES have a rafter hook.

The.Handyman wrote:

The FlexVolt rear handle circular saw DOES have a rafter hook.

Hopefully more durable than the ones that break off the Fuels. 

Wish that 570 would hurry up…

Bremon wrote:

On 5/14/2017 at 6:20 PM, Bremon said:

Well to be fair a lot of what I’ve heard of guys giving feedback to companies is “they know the market best” “they know what they’re doing” type hubris, and that’s from multiple colours. My understanding is Dewalt is finally doubling down on 20v Max and FlexVolt is here to stay. 40v and 12v I’m less convinced of. Milwaukee is finally coming around on 2x batteries I believe after 2 years of “18v can do it all!” head in the sand attitude. They’re losing market share, hence all the 9.0 promos. Dewalt is aggressively establishing FlexVolt marketshare with their promos as well. 

 

My opinion is Makita has done it best, even though I’m not a fan of 2x battery use, it’s still awesome to keep guys on one platform Milwaukee-style, but have huge power FlexVolt-style.

This! I feel the Red 18 Volt platform is good, but way too many eggs in that basket, their M28 range has virtually nothing! They really need to address this!

The Dewalt 40 Volt system looks good and could work very well with construction tools, but I guess that’s what Flexvolt is for.

No personal experience of the Makita 2×18, but spoke to a guy with the SDS plus and he said it was good, but chomped through batteries very quickly.

@Tug….40v Dewalt batts are to big and heavy for cordless construction tools….IMO Makita batts charge fast and die fast….the 2 batt thing is fine for stationary tools. Personally think it’s heavy for cordless tools…..Red makes great cordless tools ,don’t know their next move as far as power goes…2 batts or smaller more powerful motors…? 

Hadn’t looked at the weight of the 40 volt cells, good point. 

I don’t like the idea of charging higher than 1C, I believe the Makita chargers can hit 9 Amps? Not good, even if the manufacturer claims their cells can handle it, I’m convinced it shortens cell life. 

Red do indeed make great tools, my V18 set was going strong after eight tough years before they were stolen. I just think they need to start pushing the higher voltage platform a bit more. 

 I’m curious about the big Reds next move…..I’m quite happy that all these companies are pushing each other to develop better cordless tools…..

       Some guys just want a tool to do the job and put it away, I personally Love cordless tools….the POWA, the Design..the Technology..The feel…I take care of my tools and tool boxes…some tools I buy new and never use em..just put em away….

Higher charge rate means higher heat, which isn’t good for the cells. That’s why most fast chargers now have fans to cool the batteries while they charge.

Big Red’s next move is 2xM18 tools I’d guess. I expect a table saw among other big things next month. 

Your prob right Bman….I’d like to think Milwaukee is thinking outside the box…like Dewalt did…2 batts is Makitas gig…..love to see more innovation 

2 batteries is more in their wheelhouse, fits their zealous fanaticism towards sticking with M18. 

Ridgid and Ryobi are X2 so that means Milwaukee is next.

I don’t see a table saw from them coming. They have very little experience in that department and the market shares a very small with DeWalt having such a fantastic saw. I do not see it being worth the R&D money that would need to be dedicated to bring something to Market.

Mitres aren’t really in their wheelhouse either, yet here we are ? 

Bremon wrote:

2 hours ago, Bremon said:

Higher charge rate means higher heat, which isn’t good for the cells. That’s why most fast chargers now have fans to cool the batteries while they charge.

 

Big Red’s next move is 2xM18 tools I’d guess. I expect a table saw among other big things next month. 

2 battery Milwaukee miter saw is actually a thing. Supposedly a couple guys at work tried one out. I thought I remember hearing something about Milwaukee venturing into more woodworking and general carpentry tools like a table saw and track saw. Another thing I heard was Milwaukees may try new motors that are smaller yet provide more power.

Sounds just like Milwaukee. The 2704 is already so compact you could fry an egg on it because it has so much power but more power and more compact sounds like exactly what Milwaukee would do. NPS17 has me pretty pumped lol. 

When is that …nps17….I assume that is a tool event

New product symposium. Annual Milwaukee event in June. 

I’m really interested in NPS this year. Last year felt like lights and me-too-ls. They won’t accept that two years in a row.

2 years ago wasn’t that hot either. 

Probably seemed better because SBD put on garbage two years ago.

The last exciting NPS had the 2707, 2731, etc. 2709 and 9.0 was alright. Last year was just mediocre and the FlexVolt event made it look even worse. 

Isn’t the Dewalt event like a week after Milwaukee? I think last year was Flexvolt announced…I remember counting down at work till 9am or so and jumping outta my boots with excitement…watching every video I could find……I was mesmerized…stunned…excited……I’m not an inside guy so I had no idea what was coming…and I only joined this forum last November……

Then Milwaukee tried crashing the party the same day with a anti flex video comparison……..

I look forward to Milwaukees event and Dewalt of course

This year’s SBD event is Stanley focused rather than Dewalt from what I’ve heard. 

For what it is worth Acme Tools just listed a pre-order for the DCS520 track saws,  one battery model and bare tool. The box that comes with it is a TSTAK. That said who knows how quickly it will ship versus show up at Home Depot. 

Yep, now the mystery is how soon does it come to Canada and should I wait for it or go green for a track saw with a splinter guard. 

Bremon wrote:

8 minutes ago, Bremon said:

Yep, now the mystery is how soon does it come to Canada and should I wait for it or go green for a track saw with a splinter guard. 

You mean the splinter guard that is part of the rail? I thought everybody’s track had them. 

Festool has a zero-clearance consumable insert so your off-cuts are splinter-free as well. The FlexVolt and new Makita don’t. 

Well Dewalt should of followed in the great Festool footstep in the track saw arena……

I see the whole dual battery thing good for miter saws and table saws, but thats about it. After that you are just adding unnecessary weight. I’m a milwaukee fan boy and I can’t see myself ever using a 9.0 battery on a “handheld” tool. 

I recently ran a cordless Ridgid laminate router with a 4.0 battery and it was just top heavy and was almost as heavy as a Porter Cable 690 with half the power. So it was kind of a pointless cordless tool in my eyes. 

@SetBuilder or large SDS, or Sawzall. Circular saw. Grinder. Lots of applications for it. Impact driver not so much. 

@Framer joe I agree with regards to the off-cut splinter guard, but at least it has a riving knife, unlike the Makita. 

The Dewalt also has an anti kick back feature which is great in my opinion and you can cut on both sides of the rail. This is one reason why I went this way. Plus, I read several people saying the TS55 motor is underpowered. I wanted to cut butcher blocks so this was a big concern of mine. The only problem with the Dewalt track is that they are not compatible with most accessories that are made for the Festool tracks (even third parties ones) such as parallel guides because they don’t have a small T channel on the side. But I didn’t mind because most of them are too expensive for what they are. I plan to build a MFT table clone one of these days with 80-20 or bosch rexroth extrusions. I can’t believe they are selling this table 700 USD with no accessories.

Bremon wrote:

12 hours ago, Bremon said:

@SetBuilder or large SDS, or Sawzall. Circular saw. Grinder. Lots of applications for it. Impact driver not so much. 

I’m unclear in what you are saying…. Are you saying you would or wouldn’t use a 9.0 battery on the above tools?

I’m guessing would.

Jronman wrote:

13 minutes ago, Jronman said:

I’m guessing would.

Exactly. expanding on the “mitre saw and table saw and that’s about it” sentiment. 

I’ve been using the Ryobi cordless trim router with the 4ah for years ( because no one had one)  of course I’m only using round over ,straight ,chamfer bits…it has tons of power and run time….I don’t even notice the battery on top to be honest @SetBuilder………is that new rigid one heavier? I have to be cordless or bring a generator ….

           ..I’m with @Bremon on using 9ah on many other tools besides stationary….I love it on my flex circ saw…

I guess its because I work in a shop environment and not in the field.  My cordless circular saw is just a 6 1/2 in and thats all I need. We have corded worm drives in the knack box, but rarely use them. 

I have the corded version of the Ridgid router and did not like the cordless because of the extra weight of the battery. 

But I’m mostly building with 1x3s or 1x6s cutting lots of MDF or 3/4 ply, my tool box is on wheels and always close by. My work area has 4 sliding miter saws and two table saws.   If I was doing residential construction then my tool choice would probably be different. 

Ah…..I know your a set builder ,figured you mostly worked on site…but a shop guy has power everywhere. Lucky you….why bother with cordless….cool profession btw….

Framer joe wrote:

8 hours ago, Framer joe said:

Ah…..I know your a set builder ,figured you mostly worked on site…but a shop guy has power everywhere. Lucky you….why bother with cordless….cool profession btw….

I prefer cordless regardless of if I have power or not. If I have hundreds of outlets in front of me in a shop with plenty of power I will pick cordless tools every time. Cords are accidents waiting to happen. If you got multiple tools plugged in your bound to trip on a cord eventually, get them tangled, or a cord is going to snag on a corner then you gotta fuss with adjusting the cord. I foresee in the next 10 to 20 years that if nothing game changing comes from smaller corded tools that they will be a thing of the past.

It’s possible Jman….I’m sure the next gen lith batteries will be better..and so on….I hope …smaller and more powerful not larger….

Jronman wrote:

9 hours ago, Jronman said:

I prefer cordless regardless of if I have power or not. If I have hundreds of outlets in front of me in a shop with plenty of power I will pick cordless tools every time. Cords are accidents waiting to happen. If you got multiple tools plugged in your bound to trip on a cord eventually, get them tangled, or a cord is going to snag on a corner then you gotta fuss with adjusting the cord. I foresee in the next 10 to 20 years that if nothing game changing comes from smaller corded tools that they will be a thing of the past.

That is one of the nice things about Festool cords. Just run one cord and un plug from the tool as needed.

I have an old Milwaukee screw gun where the cord had a twist lock on the handle similar to Festool,

I wish all manufacturers had something similar.

SetBuilder wrote:

1 hour ago, SetBuilder said:

That is one of the nice things about Festool cords. Just run one cord and un plug from the tool as needed.

 

I have an old Milwaukee screw gun where the cord had a twist lock on the handle similar to Festool,

I wish all manufacturers had something similar.

 Yep really like it too. It’s not hard to make a similar system by yourself though.

I had some of those Milwaukee. The cords lasted longer than the tools. Not kidding.

Just the other day we had to get out 3 cords on the job. By the end of the day, they were a tangled mess. Reminded me why I love cordless


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Dewalt is supposed to release a jobsite fan in July

does anybody have a good pic / model number yet ?

thx

midogrumpy wrote:

Dewalt is supposed to release a jobsite fan in July
does anybody have a good pic / model number yet ?
thx