Even if its one of the fastest, its still too slow
Jronman wrote:
On 4/30/2018 at 7:24 AM, Jronman said:Makita has one of the faster charge times. a 5.0 in 45 minutes isn’t too bad. A few minutes faster than my flexvolt charger.
Not in reality. I did a test the other day. I drained a 3, 4, 5 and 6 ah battery the other day and the 5 took 30 minutes longer than that. Only the 3 managed to come in at the advertised time. All others were way off.
aessu wrote:
On 29/4/2018 at 8:43 PM, aessu said:Makita needs bigger batteries and faster chargers. Current 5Ah ones take ages to charge on DC18RC/RD.
Lol….
There are hardly any faster chargers then the dc18rd…..
Tools & Stuff wrote:
18 minutes ago, Tools & Stuff said:
Not in reality. I did a test the other day. I drained a 3, 4, 5 and 6 ah battery the other day and the 5 took 30 minutes longer than that. Only the 3 managed to come in at the advertised time. All others were way off.
That’s most likely because you drained em and they were too hot.
Every decent charger ( of every brand ) first cools down the cells to a reasonable temperate to charge em. Charging too heated cells causes premature wear.
If you charge cool batteries that’s the only time advertised charge times will be correct.
I want one!
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kornomaniac wrote:
7 hours ago, kornomaniac said:That’s most likely because you drained em and they were too hot.
Every decent charger ( of every brand ) first cools down the cells to a reasonable temperate to charge em. Charging too heated cells causes premature wear.
If you charge cool batteries that’s the only time advertised charge times will be correct.
This or something else has to be a big contributor for numbers going that far off, especially a 5Ah taking a full 30 minutes longer than advertised. I’ve never thought to bother timing my batteries but if my 5Ah ever took that much longer than they were supposed to I sure as hell would have noticed.
The advertised charge times for the most part go up linearly with total battery capacity, suggesting the same current rate is going into the cells regardless of capacity. This makes perfect sense whether the limiting factor is all these cells being the same size or the charger simply operating at its current limit. Either way no shortage of other users report them coming in at the advertised time.
Thinking on this further, it will be interesting to see if Makita will need/want an updated charger that can/will put higher charge currents into the upcoming larger cells that in theory should be able to handle it.
ToolBane wrote:
2 hours ago, ToolBane said:
This or something else has to be a big contributor for numbers going that far off, especially a 5Ah taking a full 30 minutes longer than advertised. I’ve never thought to bother timing my batteries but if my 5Ah ever took that much longer than they were supposed to I sure as hell would have noticed.
The advertised charge times for the most part go up linearly with total battery capacity, suggesting the same current rate is going into the cells regardless of capacity. This makes perfect sense whether the limiting factor is all these cells being the same size or the charger simply operating at its current limit. Either way no shortage of other users report them coming in at the advertised time.
Thinking on this further, it will be interesting to see if Makita will need/want an updated charger that can/will put higher charge currents into the upcoming larger cells that in theory should be able to handle it.
Dc18rf is out in japan. 40 minutes for a full charge of 6 amp.
kornomaniac wrote:
On 5/1/2018 at 8:07 AM, kornomaniac said:That’s most likely because you drained em and they were too hot.
Every decent charger ( of every brand ) first cools down the cells to a reasonable temperate to charge em. Charging too heated cells causes premature wear.
If you charge cool batteries that’s the only time advertised charge times will be correct.
But in the real world on a jobsite you use the tool and chuck the battery straight on the charger when it dies. The cooling light never came on. I tested all my batteries the same way and only the 3ah came in close to Makitas stated time. I filmed it for a vid I will have up on YT soon.
Tools & Stuff wrote:
7 hours ago, Tools & Stuff said:But in the real world on a jobsite you use the tool and chuck the battery straight on the charger when it dies.
Of course but that’s true for every battery and charger system out there. Since it is completly un-impossible to have people compare charging times after batteries being in use ( cause everyone used them differently ) the only real metric you can compare is :
How long does a cooled down battery to take to charge.
And that’s what charge times that manufacturer s claim tell us.
Nothing more and nothing less
Are charge times really an issue in the real world? If it were me, I would make sure to have enough charged batteries in queue to buffer and counter the charge times. Now if one chews through a bunch of batteries faster than your charger can charge, then I would think a cordless solution is not ideal.
I’m just a home DIYer and realize things are much easier in an environment where you don’t have to lug batteries/toolboxes around and worry about theft – in other words, forgive me if I’m ignorant.
Im honestly satisfied with the 6ah batteries, for a portable tool I really don’t want to have a physically larger battery attached to the tool. What I want to see is larger capacity compact batteries! Lets get some compact 3ah batteries!
More and more I find my self using the compacts for my day to day drill/drivers.
kornomaniac wrote:
On 4/15/2017 at 1:35 AM, kornomaniac said:58v batteries for a new pro OPE line confirmed !
So I was pondering this again. Just some wild speculation…but, any chance Makita releases a 58V OPE line, the batteries have some type of multi volt capability, and the reason we are seeing new X2 tools with wider spacing at the batteries is because they are designing these tools to be forward compatible with a future, wider 18V/58V multi volt battery?
Anyone?
I am intrigued as well. Like one big pack that would engage in both slots of X2 tools? But I wonder why 58V in the first place? 3x18V would be 54V. Kornomaniac its been over a year you first reported about 58V do you have any update?
That’s what I was thinking as well – a larger single pack that fits both x2 slots. One of the challenges I see with this super battery is the level of effort required for battery installation/removal. I could potentially see it incorporating a single push button unlocking mechanism, but the force required to overcome the friction of the current slide-in design would be high (especially if it is a high vibration tool with silicone(?) dampers in the battery well). On my x2 brushed rotary hammer, I practically need a rubber mallet to remove the batteries when it heats up… imagine if that were a single large battery.
I know it’s comparing apples & oranges, but EGO’s 56V OPE tools allows for a one handed battery removal – that’s a nice design, but not necessarily ideal for some hand held power tools.
Martin wrote:
13 hours ago, Martin said:But I wonder why 58V in the first place? 3x18V would be 54V. Kornomaniac its been over a year you first reported about 58V do you have any update?
DeWalt flexvolt batteries are 20V/60V max. Which is the same as 18V/58V.
bee-man wrote:
On 5/2/2018 at 3:53 PM, bee-man said:Are charge times really an issue in the real world? If it were me, I would make sure to have enough charged batteries in queue to buffer and counter the charge times. Now if one chews through a bunch of batteries faster than your charger can charge, then I would think a cordless solution is not ideal.
I’m just a home DIYer and realize things are much easier in an environment where you don’t have to lug batteries/toolboxes around and worry about theft – in other words, forgive me if I’m ignorant.
Totally hear what you’re saying, as most applications the charge time probably isn’t relevant. However, depending on what you’re doing… I.E. demo, treated cutting, etc., it could come into play. Most people don’t want buy more batteries at $100.00 apiece… so I can see this argument both ways.
M80 wrote:
DeWalt flexvolt batteries are 20V/60V max. Which is the same as 18V/58V.
They are 18v and 56v.
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bee-man wrote:
That’s what I was thinking as well – a larger single pack that fits both x2 slots. One of the challenges I see with this super battery is the level of effort required for battery installation/removal. I could potentially see it incorporating a single push button unlocking mechanism, but the force required to overcome the friction of the current slide-in design would be high (especially if it is a high vibration tool with silicone(?) dampers in the battery well). On my x2 brushed rotary hammer, I practically need a rubber mallet to remove the batteries when it heats up… imagine if that were a single large battery.
I know it’s comparing apples & oranges, but EGO’s 56V OPE tools allows for a one handed battery removal – that’s a nice design, but not necessarily ideal for some hand held power tools.
Makita already had a 36v, then they had an adapter for 2x 18v , then they just switched to 2x 18v.
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M80 wrote:
2 hours ago, M80 said:DeWalt flexvolt batteries are 20V/60V max. Which is the same as 18V/58V.
HiltiWpg wrote:
41 minutes ago, HiltiWpg said:
They are 18v and 56v.
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18 and 54…
Bremon wrote:
18 and 54…
Dammit!!
I didn’t look after I posted!!!
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As a guy that’s almost certainly never going to buy the tools in question, and will therefore never have to deal with the consequences of whatever ridiculous idea I might spout, I think “X3” might actually be kinda funky just to see. What few tools they’d explicitly want the extra voltage would probably be large enough that it wouldn’t be a huge problem fitting 3 or even 4 batteries on I would think. Table saws, lawn mowers…those kinds of things.
Nope nothing new. Just some more confirmation from and the Japanese dude leading g makita in Belgium that is coming. He couldn’t even confirm me the voltage. Could be 58 or 60 or 62 or whatever. I wouldn’t expect any compatability between these OPE tools and existing 18v models.
HiltiWpg wrote:
On 6/4/2018 at 1:16 PM, HiltiWpg said:Makita already had a 36v, then they had an adapter for 2x 18v , then they just switched to 2x 18v.
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I realize Makita had the single 36V; however, I was thinking more along the lines of a new single high capacity 36V battery that fits the x2 tools (like Martin mentioned). There is a lot of wasted space between the 18Vx2 batteries that could be consumed by a single battery. How’s about this… a flexvolt type of 72V/36V battery that could be shared between the x2 tools and the rumored new pro OPE line of tools. Just thinking out loud. Only problem is that kornomaniac confirms 58V…
Toolbane, I wouldn’t be surprised if Makita had played with x3 or x4 prototypes at some point in time. Would be neat to see; however, I think swapping 4 batteries on one tool could be excessive. You know us Americans have to uphold our image of being lazy, lol.
bee-man wrote:
5 hours ago, bee-man said:You know us Americans have to uphold our image of being lazy, lol.
My dad used to own a Black and Decker drill and you didn’t even have to remove the battery from the drill to charge it. One less step means even more lazy haha.
bee-man wrote:
7 hours ago, bee-man said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if Makita had played with x3 or x4 prototypes at some point in time. Would be neat to see; however, I think swapping 4 batteries on one tool could be excessive. You know us Americans have to uphold our image of being lazy, lol.
Something like this?
Are we sure that this new OPE line will rely on regular block batteries? Since Makita’s new battery platform is aimed toward the pro market, couldn’t they surprise us by deciding to offer exclusively backpacks?
Some other manufacturers seem to be going that route… Oregon 120v, Ego professional, also some Husqvarna’s top tier tools have no battery slots and can only be powered by a backpack battery.
Are you familiar with Pellenc brand? It is worth checking out if you are not. I believe they were well ahead of Husqvarna, Stihl & co with their backpack line. They also have some unique tools I wish Makita would adopt for their future OPE line.
For compatibility sake, I’d like to see a backpack holder for say 8 pieces of existing 18V Makita packs with built-in slow charger for overnight charging and the necessary electronics making it ready for powering Makita tools of any given voltage. Would something like that be doable?
Martin wrote:
8 hours ago, Martin said:Are you familiar with Pellenc brand? It is worth checking out if you are not. I believe they were well ahead of Husqvarna, Stihl & co with their backpack line. They also have some unique tools I wish Makita would adopt for their future OPE line.
It’s a french brand if I am not mistaken. Their “vinion” pruning shears are very popular in my region for vineyard work. I have seen some of their battery tools sold by specialized vendors, but they are very very very expensive.
stefcl100 wrote:
On 6/9/2018 at 2:09 AM, stefcl100 said:Are we sure that this new OPE line will rely on regular block batteries? Since Makita’s new battery platform is aimed toward the pro market, couldn’t they surprise us by deciding to offer exclusively backpacks?
Some other manufacturers seem to be going that route… Oregon 120v, Ego professional, also some Husqvarna’s top tier tools have no battery slots and can only be powered by a backpack battery.
They already have a backpack battery for the X2 tools.
http://www.makitauk.com/accessories/batteries/li-ion/bl36120a-36v-battery-backpack.html
No reason they might not continue down that path.
Hey kornomaniac
Do you have any news/details you can share about the vc3012l. Saw a post on Instagram. When can I get my hands on it in Canada?
Heres some new tools on Makita website.
1. 18v Brushless one handed chainsaw 
2. 3/4 gallon dust extractor/blower. (been in Europe for a while but new to USA) 
3. 18v 16G nailer 
4. several 18v blower jackets 
danielicrazy wrote:
On 6/30/2018 at 7:06 PM, danielicrazy said:Hey kornomaniac
Do you have any news/details you can share about the vc3012l. Saw a post on Instagram. When can I get my hands on it in Canada?
It’s been put in europe for more then a year. It’s a great unit if you don’t need the auto clean function.
Hurrah, the 18v chainsaw (DUC254Z) is finally arriving!
Somebody on a Dewalt topic mentioned a Makita brushless mower with metal deck, is there any information about that?
stefcl100 wrote:
9 hours ago, stefcl100 said:Hurrah, the 18v chainsaw (DUC254Z) is finally arriving!
Somebody on a Dewalt topic mentioned a Makita brushless mower with metal deck, is there any information about that?
Havent heard about it but would fit. The current models have been sold off in all kinds of actions to sell out stock.
cowolter wrote:
4 hours ago, cowolter said:I was interested when you said Makita made a robot vacuum, until I saw the $ 1217 list price. just a lot outside of my budget.
My wife loves : my Makita cordless stuff, robotic vacuums and spending money. But even she says that’s crazy expensive.
It is and not even that decent imo
Heard something about a subcompact circular saw coming
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Heard something about a subcompact circular saw coming
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Yeah, that thing
ToolBane wrote:
10 hours ago, ToolBane said:Heard something about a subcompact circular saw coming
There’s another circ saw coming very soon. An update model of a current saw. Another circ saw is coming at some point and will be a world’s first
Speaking of subcompact circular saw found this on Toolnut https://www.toolnut.com/makita-xsh04zb-18v-lxt-sub-compact-brushless-cordless-6-1-2-in-circular-saw-tool-only.html?___SID=U
Makita_2233 wrote:
On 7/22/2018 at 4:23 AM, Makita_2233 said:Another circ saw is coming at some point and will be a world’s first
Worlds first how so? Is it a totally new kind of saw that has never been in cordless or corded before? a saw that hasn’t ever been cordless before? Other?
Jronman wrote:
38 minutes ago, Jronman said:Worlds first how so? Is it a totally new kind of saw that has never been in cordless or corded before? a saw that hasn’t ever been cordless before? Other?
A saw that’s never been done in cordless
Makita_2233 wrote:
18 hours ago, Makita_2233 said:A saw that’s never been done in cordless
Probably that metal chop saw I seen awhile back.
Jronman wrote:
12 hours ago, Jronman said:Probably that metal chop saw I seen awhile back.
No. Wood circ saw
Makita_2233 wrote:
On 7/25/2018 at 9:06 PM, Makita_2233 said:No. Wood circ saw
When will we see this saw? 👍 how do you know it’s coming?
It looks like it has the same size as DHS680. How is that sub-compact?
A lot of the subcompact models don’t look that much smaller than the compact units until you have them sitting together. This subcompact circular saw certainly looks smaller than Makita’s other 6+1/2” circulars.
Makita_2233 wrote:
On 7/22/2018 at 7:23 PM, Makita_2233 said:There’s another circ saw coming very soon. An update model of a current saw. Another circ saw is coming at some point and will be a world’s first
Any update on this worlds first yet please?
Nothing yet so far