hahaha! I already ordered!
Honestly what’s the big deal with releasing these tools 2 days earlier then expected?
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So Dewalt actually thought they could show random people and companies all over the world new tools and didn’t expect anything to get leaked? They must have a new advertising department. This happens to car companies all the time and they have more money to lose. If they are telling companies and people to pull there information then they are handling it poorly. It’s only 2 days before the announcement and this is better discussion and PR than there secretive approach. I know that I’m supper amped to buy some new tools as many of you are now. Also was Dewalt unaware that YouTube is INTERNATIONAL and that earlier releases in other countries would be seen?
I really hope for some brushless 20v models, as I just unloaded all my red stuff for the Dewalt hammer drill and impact driver set.
My only disappointment thus far with everything (aside from the sidewinder) is that all the leaked information claimed 3ah batteries @60v and 9ah at 20v. This seemed worthwhile for both sides of the fence even with the giant battery.
I don’t think the runtime is going to be enough at 2ah with 60v tools to warrant redundant batteries at $100 a pop for guys that want more than a few tools to last the day. I hope this bit is wrong unless they’ve somehow made it rapid charging.
Those combo kits that were on Acme did have rapid chargers.
But how rapid? Same charge time as a 20v 2ah? I’m guessing this is why they also have the 4 bay charger.
wildroamer wrote:
2 minutes ago, wildroamer said:Those combo kits that were on Acme did have rapid chargers.
Dewalt thinks the chargers they already have are rapid chargers. They have some of the slowest charge times in the entire industry.
I want them to compare to Makita if they’re going to have such low ah initial offerings, or else the overlap of redundancy means I’ll have a grand in batteries to support what I’d need to supplement my 20v line with current charge times.
Who has almost 2 hours to charge a 6ah battery.
Stercorarius wrote:
4 minutes ago, Stercorarius said:But how rapid? Same charge time as a 20v 2ah? I’m guessing this is why they also have the 4 bay charger.
Add up the cost of having 4 batteries in the charger, the cost of the charger, and then the redundancy to have 4 more batteries in rotation.
I make pretty good money but shit man. That’s about my annual tool budget…without actually buying tools.
Looks like busybeetools in Canada has dropped a clanger as well its up on there site but no pics at the moment.
Loving the light, but, if my Mrs came home with a 400 dollar I’d be pissed!
best make sure she doesn’t see it in my van when I get one
I wonder why these new batteries are not Bluetooth?
DaveJr. wrote:
41 minutes ago, DaveJr. said:its there prerogative Dave. They own the company they have the right to decide. That being said they released a video on YouTube so they released the cat from the bag. As I’ve explained before….Dewalt sponsors TiA. They give us tools for our members. They can say whatever they want because it’s their company. They haven’t said anything yet so until I hear from Eric or Dan it’ll stay up. But….if we get contact we have to take it down or freeze it. Personally I don’t have a problem with that. However, add salt released the information on their YouTube in Europe. If Acme violated a trade and sales agreement with Dewalt we would naturally respect Dewalts position.
Hugh Jass wrote:
16 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:
Add up the cost of having 4 batteries in the charger, the cost of the charger, and then the redundancy to have 4 more batteries in rotation.
I make pretty good money but shit man. That’s about my annual tool budget…without actually buying tools.
Yeah I’m not sure how popular it will be among contractors if they don’t have some really damn fast chargers and quick.
dano_uk wrote:
1 minute ago, dano_uk said:I wonder why these new batteries are not Bluetooth?
Just a guess, but it’s probably easier to incorporate the functionality into the tool instead of the battery.
As for the light…that is awful steep. I mean it’s bright and all, charger/cordless, and has an extra outlet or two…but $400 is a lot of bread. Everything else seems in order though and quite reasonable.
This all makes me wonder why they bought out the 40v line for the garden equipment and didn’t just bring all those tools on this platform
lawnmower?
Looks like Acme took down everything…
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Yup all down. Hmmmmmm…..everybody get ready to hate me 😀
no contact yet but I am waiting for it…..
I don’t mean to sound like a jerk, but I don’t believe the 40v line has been popular enough for them to really mind if it gets left behind in a few years once they engineered the 60v line to unify 20v, 60v, and 120v. Essentially they’re insuring that this situation where something gets lost won’t happen anymore, or at least for a very long time. It’s a shame for those who invested in 40v but it will probably still be supported for some time, especially for lawn care.
Hugh Jass wrote:
48 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:My only disappointment thus far with everything (aside from the sidewinder) is that all the leaked information claimed 3ah batteries @60v and 9ah at 20v. This seemed worthwhile for both sides of the fence even with the giant battery.
I don’t think the runtime is going to be enough at 2ah with 60v tools to warrant redundant batteries at $100 a pop for guys that want more than a few tools to last the day. I hope this bit is wrong unless they’ve somehow made it rapid charging.
Power=(Voltage x Current )- (Current^2 x Resistance). Higher voltage = less current to achieve desired power output. Lower current= less power lost during application. Runtime might be ok
Interesting to see if those 40v products will come out on the 60 v
I can’t imagine they would stop supporting that line. Dewalt has made some really dynamic changes in the last several years from 18-20-40 and they still support those tools. It will really be interesting to see what Dewalt does with the release but I have to admit, I like the company and they seem to put a lot of forethought into their tools. We aren’t getting the whole story with these tools so stand by to stand by.
More^×2U wrote:
Just now, More^×2U said:Power=(Voltage x Current )- (Current^2 x Resistance). Higher voltage = less current to achieve desired power output. Lower current = less current lost during application. Runtime might be ok
I think it will be acceptable, clearly they felt it was enough, and in time I’m sure it’ll expand…but with competitors already moving to 9ah 18v…makes me wonder what made them hold back. I just feel like already having exposure to 5ah 20v will make 60v runtime feel inferior in comparison. Spoiled if you will.
wildroamer wrote:
1 hour ago, wildroamer said:hahaha! I already ordered!
Me too Todd 😛
What did you guys order?
Thinking about a DeWalt 20v battery format, it can easily be wired two ways to run a dual voltage setup. [External image (uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com), not copied]
The battery will know immediately what tool it’s installed on. A 20v or 60v tool.
Hugh Jass wrote:
10 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:
I think it will be acceptable, clearly they felt it was enough, and in time I’m sure it’ll expand…but with competitors already moving to 9ah 18v…makes me wonder what made them hold back. I just feel like already having exposure to 5ah 20v will make 60v runtime feel inferior in comparison. Spoiled if you will.
If 1000 watts is desired power output from 20v 6ah/60v 2ah battery
20volts x 50 amps = 1000watts
60volts x 16.7 amps = 1000 watts
20×50 – 50^2 x (0.1 ohm) = 750 watts out
60×16.7 – 16.7^2 x (0.1 assuming same resistance) = 975 watts out
From same battery (20v 6ah/60v 2ah)
Less energy loss using 60volts = better runtime than using 20 volts with same battery
More^×2U wrote:
8 minutes ago, More^×2U said:
If 1000 watts is desired power output from 20v 6ah/60v 2ah battery
20volts x 50 amps = 1000watts
60volts x 16.7 amps = 1000 watts
20×50 – 50^2 x (0.1 ohm) = 750 watts out
60×16.7 – 16.7^2 x (0.1 assuming same resistance) = 975 watts out
From same battery (20v 6ah/60v 2ah)
Less energy loss using 60volts = better runtime than using 20 volts with same battery
Nice. Can you suggest what it would be comparable to? You’re suggesting 1/3 the amps for the same wattage, so would that compare to more of a 3 or 4 amp 20v runtime on the same tool?
Well if Acme is not punished I ordered the recip Kit 🙂
Hugh Jass wrote:
1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:
Nice. Can you suggest what it would be comparable to? You’re suggesting 1/3 the amps for the same wattage, so would that compare to more of a 3 or 4 amp 20v runtime on the same tool?
Acme site listed 100 2×4 cuts with 60v circ saw on 1 fully charged battery (20v 6ah/60v2ah). Not sure how that compares to other brushless 18v 7 1/4 circ saws on market. Site pulled it down. May have misread.
More^×2U wrote:
2 minutes ago, More^×2U said:
Acme site listed 100 2×4 cuts with 60v circ saw on 1 fully charged battery (20v 6ah/60v2ah). Not sure how that compares to other brushless 18v 7 1/4 circ saws on market. Site pulled it down. May have misread.
Then it’s comparable 2ah in 20v as well. DCS361 (cordless miter saw which is brushed) is listed at 183 cuts with the 4ah battery.
Hugh Jass wrote:
3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:
Then it’s comparable 2ah in 20v as well. DCS361 (cordless miter saw which is brushed) is listed at 183 cuts with the 4ah battery.
Then its clear. Using 60v probably allows comparable run time to 2ah 20v tools but provide significant increase in available power for heavier applications where 20v tools would probably hit shutdown current clips to protect motor from short and long term high current damage
More^×2U wrote:
10 minutes ago, More^×2U said:
Then its clear. Using 60v probably allows comparable run time to 2ah 20v tools but provide significant increase in available power for heavier applications where 20v tools would probably hit shutdown current clips to protect motor from short and long term high current damage
Yea. I mean I can see where increases in efficiency would result in gains in the real world, if I can cut twice as fast then I’m effectively doubling my runtime, but as far as tools that run wide open like the grinder, are likely only going to see gains from brushless design, which from such a high demand tool might not be that much.
I can run through my entire lineup of batteries (35ah i’d guess) with my 20v grinder before I can charge one. I’ll take what I can get.
Well one things for sure, the #worldsfirst campaign, is sure doing the trick for sure, has this thread is one of the Hottest topics on the TIA Forum lol.
I’m just sitting back reading all this and thinking what a shit storm Acme created for them selves. And how DeWALT has screwed over their users. In my opinion. Don’t get me wrong, kudos to them for the innovative thinking. You got to believe some where at corporate they are high fiving them selfs. Until they see the back lash this is going to create on the 21st. I’m glad I didn’t invest that much in Dewalt hahaha.??????
Hugh Jass wrote:
16 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:
Yea. I mean I can see where increases in efficiency would result in gains in the real world, if I can cut twice as fast then I’m effectively doubling my runtime, but as far as tools that run wide open like the grinder, are likely only going to see gains from brushless design, which from such a high demand tool might not be that much.
I can run through my entire lineup of batteries (35ah i’d guess) with my 20v grinder before I can charge one. I’ll take what I can get.
Dewalt UK lists DCG412 at 450 max watts out. ACME site claimed 60v grinder has 13amp AC power which is (13×120) 1500 watts outs!!!! Like you said…cut twice as fast = double runtime..maybe triple in grinder case.
More^×2U wrote:
Acme site listed 100 2×4 cuts with 60v circ saw on 1 fully charged battery (20v 6ah/60v2ah). Not sure how that compares to other brushless 18v 7 1/4 circ saws on market. Site pulled it down. May have misread.
For some reason I thought I read 339 cuts for the 60v saw…
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I can’t find the stuff on the acme website
overanalyze wrote:
3 minutes ago, overanalyze said:For some reason I thought I read 339 cuts for the 60v saw…
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I may have been wrong. Didnt think to take screen shot. Will find out Tuesday i guess.
overanalyze wrote:
2 minutes ago, overanalyze said:For some reason I thought I read 339 cuts for the 60v saw…
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I believe it said 339 cuts on one charge as well. That should put the saw competitively with Makita and Milwaukee. I’m also guessing Dewalt will release a 9 ah battery in probably 8 or so months after a lot of people have bought into the new tools. Don’t get me wrong, I’m liking this whole idea. I am really interested to see the new Dewalt circular saw compared to both the Milwaukee and Makita. I’ve used the Milwaukee and was really impressed by it.
You don’t visit the forum one day and the whole world goes Dewalt crazy. Interesting stuff for sure though from Dewalt. I guess we now know why brushless cutting tools were taking so long to come out on the 20v max platform. Dewalt had other ideas of what they wanted to do.
You have to admit even if your not a fan of the red branded tools they did bring a bunch or innovation to cordless tools the past few years. The market has changed so much the past few years regarding cordless tools. I just feel bad for Bosch they invested in that wireless charging that no one really seems to be interested in.
I guess I don’t understand why some of you seem to be upset by this. It’s not screwing anyone, it’s giving everyone options and unity. I’m heavily invested in dewalt, and the 20v line. I have almost all that I want at 20v, and the stuff I want that’s not available is mostly covered by the 60v line. Now I can buy just a few tools and batteries to supplement that, have all the tools I need, and can swap the batteries between tools.
Disagree with the prices or designs, but the logic is sound boys. The cordless jobsite is here and available to everyone, especially those who are already invested like I am.
Nobody was whining and complaining when they started coming out with 40v tools. But if they were compatible with 20v suddenly that would be screwing the people? I don’t follow.
DR99 wrote:
4 minutes ago, DR99 said:You have to admit even if your not a fan of the red branded tools they did bring a bunch or innovation to cordless tools the past few years. The market has changed so much the past few years regarding cordless tools. I just feel bad for Bosch they invested in that wireless charging that no one really seems to be interested in.
I give red the most props with the M12 system. The diversified it at the perfect moment when there really wasn’t shit going on with anyone else. I almost bought in myself.
Bosch to me is good brand but cordless offerings are rather anemic, they kind of seem to half ass their efforts somehow just to scrape by, but I think their marketing is half of their problem as well.
Not saying Bosch is bad they seem to make the most durable tools around for the most part. Like you mentioned they don’t really have a cohesive cordless plan.
Craigh9916 wrote:
9 hours ago, Craigh9916 said:That grinder will be amazing
I wonder what size it is?
The site said the grinder was a 4.5″ to 6″…I presume it could handle up to a 6″ disc.
Bosch is falling further and further behind, at least in the US market, for cordless tools.
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overanalyze wrote:
3 minutes ago, overanalyze said:
Hugh Jass wrote:
3 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:What did you guys order?
When can we order and where
joemontague wrote:
7 minutes ago, joemontague said:
When can we order and where
Earlier today Acme tools had some of the new tools on their website available for preorder. Apparently they were not suppose to release those tools yet and they have since been removed. You’ll have to wait until Tuesday for the formal release.