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Not all pictures show up from tapatalkJimbo
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Yeah it’s always been like that, I just got used to it. If I really want to see pics, ill open up web view by tapping the menu button at top right corner and they always show up that way
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KnarlyCarl wrote:
Yeah it’s always been like that, I just got used to it. If I really want to see pics, ill open up web view by tapping the menu button at top right corner and they always show up that waySent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
I’ve actually never had any problems seeing pictures from tapatalk. Even now, about half of the picture posts show pictures with no problem.
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khariV wrote:
15 minutes ago, khariV said:I’ve actually never had any problems seeing pictures from tapatalk. Even now, about half of the picture posts show pictures with no problem.
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I never really had issues until the update, now its about maybe 25% of pictures won’t load
With regards to the “coming soon” aspect of this thread, does anyone know when “soon” is? From most of what I’ve read it seemed like January was when both 6.0 and a 9.0 would be in the wild but we are almost in March and I have yet to see or hear a word. The only reason I would like to know is this past week three of us have been cutting all day everyday, and I’m burning through 5.0s at a good pace in my Fuel Sawzall, our brushed Makita is eating 4.0s for breakfast (but their fast charger is awesome), and we only have enough power for one corded Sawzall.
Bremon wrote:
1 minute ago, Bremon said:With regards to the “coming soon” aspect of this thread, does anyone know when “soon” is? From most of what I’ve read it seemed like January was when both 6.0 and a 9.0 would be in the wild but we are almost in March and I have yet to see or hear a word. The only reason I would like to know is this past week three of us have been cutting all day everyday, and I’m burning through 5.0s at a good pace in my Fuel Sawzall, our brushed Makita is eating 4.0s for breakfast (but their fast charger is awesome), and we only have enough power for one corded Sawzall.
Not sure if it helps but the 9.0 is supposed to release when the fuel sds max releases
That does help Jimbo, thank you. Starting to seem like a product they could have shown off at this year’s event instead haha.
Would it be better to have a 9ah 18v battery or to have a 4ah 36v battery like they use on most OPE?
Cheng Liu wrote:
Would it be better to have a 9ah 18v battery or to have a 4ah 36v battery like they use on most OPE?
Then your writing off all your m18 users and pushing them into another platform… Good on Milwaukee to come up with something and keep it on the current line so you don’t need a different charger, new batteries and so forth.
Jimbo
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Jimbo’s right, it’s all about the ways to let users extend into a higher power platform instead of jumping into one.
Makita and Metabo use two battery packs, Milwaukee uses bigger batteries of the same voltage, and I hear dewalt is aiming to one-up milwaukee with voltage switching batteries so a 18V x 4AH -> 36V x 2AH
A 2.0 amp hour 36 volt sounds like a joke. Anything that needs a 36v battery isn’t going to run long off 2.0. Cool idea. I’ll wait to see their implementation. Dewalt rarely impresses me the way Makita or Milwaukee do.
Bremon wrote:
A 2.0 amp hour 36 volt sounds like a joke. Anything that needs a 36v battery isn’t going to run long off 2.0. Cool idea. I’ll wait to see their implementation. Dewalt rarely impresses me the way Makita or Milwaukee do.
It’s a start to something… Look how far battery technology has come, would you have thought 20 years ago we’d have cordless tools rivaling the power of corded tools? I agree 2 ah seems low but I’m intrigued at the application.
Jimbo
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Lol no, but 20 years ago I was in 4th grade so power tool technology was less of a concern than the latest Nintendo, and what was packed in my lunch. I appreciate what you’re saying, but that seems like the first gen of an Apple product; ie, don’t buy until they’ve iterated on the initial product.
Bremon wrote:
Lol no, but 20 years ago I was in 4th grade so power tool technology was less of a concern than the latest Nintendo, and what was packed in my lunch. I appreciate what you’re saying, but that seems like the first gen of an Apple product; ie, don’t buy until they’ve iterated on the initial product.
Those were the good old days eh? No screen looking!!
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Bremon wrote:
2 hours ago, Bremon said:A 2.0 amp hour 36 volt sounds like a joke. Anything that needs a 36v battery isn’t going to run long off 2.0. Cool idea. I’ll wait to see their implementation. Dewalt rarely impresses me the way Makita or Milwaukee do.
Really? Because ego makes 56V x 2.0AH batteries (well technically 50.4V)
The thing is to get the most efficiency, power output, voltage input, and motor size should all scale together, so switching the number of series cells would be useful for everything from circular saws to miter saws.
I agree Dewalt is late to the game on a lot of things, but this could be a big step forward.
Just because something is made, doesn’t mean it’s good. I’m not denying it could be a big step forward, I’m saying I’m confident it won’t be right out of the gate.
Ego makes multiple batteries all the way up to 7.5 AH. If I was getting into a new battery platform with limited amount of equipment 2.0s would not be what I would be after.
Maybe the world of brushless outdoor equipment is different than my experience with power tools, but if I’m jumping into a new platform I want as few batteries as possible, and the batteries need to be able to run everything for a reasonable amount of time. 2.0 doesn’t fit the bill for that, in my experience, but again, maybe at higher voltages its a different story and I will be proven wrong (despite my possibly negative tone I welcome pleasant surprises).
Wow that what about $500 us. Not cheap for two batteries and a charger.
Bremon wrote:
6 hours ago, Bremon said:Just because something is made, doesn’t mean it’s good. I’m not denying it could be a big step forward, I’m saying I’m confident it won’t be right out of the gate.
Ego makes multiple batteries all the way up to 7.5 AH. If I was getting into a new battery platform with limited amount of equipment 2.0s would not be what I would be after.
Maybe the world of brushless outdoor equipment is different than my experience with power tools, but if I’m jumping into a new platform I want as few batteries as possible, and the batteries need to be able to run everything for a reasonable amount of time. 2.0 doesn’t fit the bill for that, in my experience, but again, maybe at higher voltages its a different story and I will be proven wrong (despite my possibly negative tone I welcome pleasant surprises).
Yeah 2.0 is on the lower end for ego (and all the other outdoor tools like dewalt’s existing line that has 2.0) but they still do a good job from my experience. Sorry I should have specified that it isn’t just made, but works well too from my experience.
The whole point of switching voltage is you don’t need to jump into a new platform. Maybe your old batteries wouldn’t be compatible, but as you buy new batteries you could get the switching variety and gradually open up a new range of tools.
Yes, I see your point Jeff. I could, for example, use a pair of 5.0s to run a string trimmer or blower for small projects and could add enough batteries to the toolbox that swapping them out not only isn’t a huge inconvenience, but buying more batteries benefits any project I could do because they’ll benefit all of my tools. There does seem to be some real potential there.
I just want to know when they’re ever going to show up. I thought they were supposed to be here in Jan 2016.
“Summer” says Milwaukee. I’d love to know who dropped the ball on that one.
Found a “heavy duty news” PDF on the uk site that showed an interesting page on the 9ah battery. It showed what tools they are considering it for and it shows a miter saw!!
Daniel Julian wrote:
1 hour ago, Daniel Julian said:Found a “heavy duty news” PDF on the uk site that showed an interesting page on the 9ah battery. It showed what tools they are considering it for and it shows a miter saw!!
The new jig saw is interesting too.
still not brushless…hmmmm
Europe has had the M18 miter saw and jigsaw for some time I believe. I didn’t know that they also had an M18 die grinder too.
I’m hoping we get Fuel versions of these this summer.
comp56 wrote:
11 minutes ago, comp56 said:still not brushless…hmmmm
It doesn’t looked balanced well. Seems like it would be too heavy in the back.
Daniel Julian wrote:
Just now, Daniel Julian said:It doesn’t looked balanced well. Seems like it would be too heavy in the back.
I don’t know – the motor is probably pretty heavy and up front and you have the knob up top. My complaint would be that the handle looks a bit thick. The grip area of the M18 OMT is huge in comparison to the Dewalt 20v and just a lot harder to hold on to if you don’t have gigantic hands.
So the 9.0 won’t work on the Sawzall? Hmmm sounds like a gen 2 maybe be in the works
Jimbo
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JimboS1ice wrote:
23 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:So the 9.0 won’t work on the Sawzall? Hmmm sounds like a gen 2 maybe be in the works
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I’m sure it will work. There’s no reason not to. If I had to guess I’d say it’s about which tools have the electronics and motor to deliver more power, but the stand light is in there so it’s probably just marketing wank.
jeffmcmillan wrote:
I’m sure it will work. There’s no reason not to. If I had to guess I’d say it’s about which tools have the electronics and motor to deliver more power, but the stand light is in there so it’s probably just marketing wank.
Just wondering if they did something with the battery where only certain tools will accept it, with the actually connector.
JimboS1ice wrote:
16 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:Just wondering if they did something with the battery where only certain tools will accept it, with the actually connector.
That would mean that they would need to come out with an entire new charger, which would make people even less likely to adapt to the new batteries. If some tools can connect to current and the new batteries, then it would also mean the new batteries don’t have anything new in them so that they would be compatible. Most likely they figured the weight would make them less likely to be used. I know with the circular saw, you can only have a battery of a cetain height, otherwise the battery would either hit the shoe or hang lower than the shoe, which just won’t work.
I can say with 100% certainty though that new Fuel and One Key impact driver/hammer drill kits have cases that will fit tools with batteries far bigger than the 5.0 they currently come with.
JimboS1ice wrote:
51 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:So the 9.0 won’t work on the Sawzall? Hmmm sounds like a gen 2 maybe be in the works
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I think that chart is showing you which tools you’ll see a significant benefit. The sawzall doesn’t eat batteries for lunch such that a super high cap battery will change your experience significantly. The SDS-MAX+ or the stand light go through batteries like crazy, so the higher cap battery is worth the expense / weight. I’m sure you could stick the 9.0 on the M18 LED light or the USB charger and it would work, but those tools already last so long, it’s not going to be worth the effort. I also suspect that the 9.0 will really be best paired with the rapid charger. The legacy charger will just take forever to fill it up.
MikeInCtown wrote:
That would mean that they would need to come out with an entire new charger, which would make people even less likely to adapt to the new batteries. If some tools can connect to current and the new batteries, then it would also mean the new batteries don’t have anything new in them so that they would be compatible. Most likely they figured the weight would make them less likely to be used. I know with the circular saw, you can only have a battery of a cetain height, otherwise the battery would either hit the shoe or hang lower than the shoe, which just won’t work.
I can say with 100% certainty though that new Fuel and One Key impact driver/hammer drill kits have cases that will fit tools with batteries far bigger than the 5.0 they currently come with.
Would just be a different tab like Makita did with their packs with electronics in it, just a physical tab.
JimboS1ice wrote:
2 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:Would just be a different tab like Makita did with their packs with electronics in it, just a physical tab.
But wouldn’t those tools already out have to already have the provisions for that extra tab? if they do I haven’t seen mention of it anywhere.
More than likely, my thinking is the tools that they consider high capacity or heavy duty have heavier gauge wiring and electronics in them (and possibly motors as well) to take advantage of the higher current pack capability.
My other thought is that they are just labeling them that way so what when they are selling the tool as a kit, they only will put the 9.0 batteries in certain kits labeled heavy duty, rather than try to explain why they aren’t including the 9.0 batteries in all kits or more kits.
MikeInCtown wrote:
But wouldn’t those tools already out have to already have the provisions for that extra tab? if they do I haven’t seen mention of it anywhere.
More than likely, my thinking is the tools that they consider high capacity or heavy duty have heavier gauge wiring and electronics in them (and possibly motors as well) to take advantage of the higher current pack capability.
My other thought is that they are just labeling them that way so what when they are selling the tool as a kit, they only will put the 9.0 batteries in certain kits labeled heavy duty, rather than try to explain why they aren’t including the 9.0 batteries in all kits or more kits.
Yes, but the tools showed under 9.0 are newer so that was my thought process maybe the 9.0s aren’t compatable in older tools, that’s what happened with Makita when they came out with their 4 and 5 ah their older tools don’t have protection to handle the higher amp draw.
Just looking farther into it than what’s there!
JimboS1ice wrote:
1 minute ago, JimboS1ice said:Yes, but the tools showed under 9.0 are newer so that was my thought process maybe the 9.0s aren’t compatable in older tools, that’s what happened with Makita when they came out with their 4 and 5 ah their older tools don’t have protection to handle the higher amp draw.
Just looking farther into it than what’s there!
Ok, well not sure what to make sense of this.
I pulled out the new impact I got and the new impact driver. Both of the 5.0 batteries have 5 slots with connections inside. The tools themselves have 4 phyisical tabs to connect to the batteries and do not use the middle tab. The charger however uses the first 4 tabs in the charge process but not the 5th tab to one side. So I’m thinking that the middle tab may be a secondary power tap? (for more power or faster charging) And that the newer tools have 5 tabs in the bottom and can take advantage of that middle battery tab.
MikeInCtown wrote:
Ok, well not sure what to make sense of this.
I pulled out the new impact I got and the new impact driver. Both of the 5.0 batteries have 5 slots with connections inside. The tools themselves have 4 phyisical tabs to connect to the batteries and do not use the middle tab. The charger however uses the first 4 tabs in the charge process but not the 5th tab to one side. So I’m thinking that the middle tab may be a secondary power tap? (for more power or faster charging) And that the newer tools have 5 tabs in the bottom and can take advantage of that middle battery tab.
Makita has a physical stop on tab on higher amp packs that prevent them from going in older tools. It’s just a tab and the newer tools have a groove in them to accept the newer packs. Doesn’t sound like Milwaukee is doing this to the 9.0
That’s a significant list of tools that will see benefit Proto. I’m interested to see if these will be $199 or what price point they’ll hit here in Canada.
Jimbo, I can’t see them being exclusive to specific tools. Milwaukee burned too many bridges with V18 to go down that road again.
Bremon wrote:
2 minutes ago, Bremon said:That’s a significant list of tools that will see benefit Proto. I’m interested to see if these will be $199 or what price point they’ll hit here in Canada.
Jimbo, I can’t see them being exclusive to specific tools. Milwaukee burned too many bridges with V18 to go down that road again.
Yea you guys are right, just over read into their diagram there
Product reps I’ve spoke with in Home Depot say they still catch crap from people about the V18 switch lol.
Bremon wrote:
6 minutes ago, Bremon said:Product reps I’ve spoke with in Home Depot say they still catch crap from people about the V18 switch lol.
No different than dewalt switching for stick packs
Oh I would say it’s different. I didn’t pay attention to the tool world at the time but from my understanding v18 was only around for a couple years, (maybe 2?) whereas if anything, dewalt’s continued legacy support has at times seemed to hold them back.
Milwaukee made the change to electronics etc. like ripping off a bandaid, and hurt some feelings in the process.
Dewalt dominating the market at that point means ripping off the bandaid quickly hurts more people, so they’ve been slowly doing it one hair at a time, with continued legacy support and new adapters etc.
From my understanding v18 batteries were temperamental and not particularly reliable. It’s not that Milwaukee changed that gets mud slung in their direction, it’s that they basically said “hey, what we told you was the latest and greatest last year sucks now, and we want a mulligan. Second times the charm, trust us”.
PROTOOLNUT wrote:
11 hours ago, PROTOOLNUT said:
Thing is, its going to be a big battery, so it will be hard for Milwaukee to make a compact sized unit using a 9AH battery I think.
Exactly. Even now the 5.0 battery that comes with the impact driver actually seems and feels too big. I think it weighs as much as the tool and is as big as the top of the driver too. (actually bigger) The battery helps with the 1800 inch pound torque rating but you don’t always need that much. I’m looking at getting a compact battery just so the driver seems easier to handle.
To help clarify the debate, or maybe just to add fuel to the fire, I took a picture of the battery slot on my 2604 next to the battery slot on the stand light. They are identical.
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Now, I’m not saying that there aren’t electronic differences to allow the stand light to take better advantage of a 9.0 battery or that it won’t work better with a large pack, but mechanically they seem to be the same.
DeWalt needs a higher capacity battery…….but pretty soon we are going to have car batteries hooked up to our power tools!
Milwaukee Twitter saying “late summer” for the 9.0 now…
DaveJr. wrote:
DeWalt needs a higher capacity battery…….but pretty soon we are going to have car batteries hooked up to our power tools!
Some rumors surfacing of some fancy batteries this summer
JimboS1ice wrote:
1 minute ago, JimboS1ice said:
Some rumors surfacing of some fancy batteries this summer
Do we have an ETA on the 20V planer?