Hitachi multivolt

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I’m looking forward to Multivolt being released, in particular the recip saw, circ saw and blower. Having only a single 10 cell battery for 36V sounds very appealing (personally I thinks it’s the best implementation of them all). We’ll find out soon though. Runtime will likely be lower than the others (having only 10 cells VS 15 with Flexvolt/M18, and 20 with Makita X2), but at least the size and weight of the tools won’t be too much more. Hitachi has the fastest charge times and the cheapest batteries anyway.

I just hope the prices are reasonable. They’re the most expensive of all the major brands in Australia. Sometimes significantly more.

Edit: Hitachi actually have the most expensive chargers in Australia. Batteries are about the second most expensive. Dammit Hitachi.

I’d have to disagree with you there D W.

Hitachi 6Ah batteries have consistently been priced in the AU$130-145 region, whereas the standard across other professional brands is $170.

Their super fast charger is expensive, but you’ll get it in a kit anyway.  In terms of kits, I’d sat their prices are about average ….

@dwain you’re right.

I use ebay a lot and sometimes they’re prices are far better or far worse. I saw 6ah Makitas for only $119 a few weeks ago.

I just looked at Sydney tools and the Hitachi 6ah is only $145, 5ah $99, and the 3ah compact only $69. There’s also a triple impact/charger/2x6ah combo for only $399 (vs Makita TD170 for $569) So they’re very good prices for Hitachi. 

A Makita and Dewalt 5ah is only $89, and a 3ah Hitachi is over $100 on ebay. 

ah tricked by ebay. yeah places like Sydney / Total Tools are good ways of checking.

Hitachi prices in Canada are pretty poor from what I’ve seen so I can’t see this system taking off here without significant promotion by Hitachi. Even the batteries that are a good deal in the states are priced high here like every other brand. 

@dwain I just re-watched your OZTT reviews on the impact driver and impact wrench and you mentioned they were not cheap at $700 AUD for a kit (1xtool, 1xcharger, 2x6ah). That’s quite high. 

So currently the triple hammer impact kit is $301 less (43% cheaper, now only $399, not $700). That’s a big discount and very appealing! Maybe they’re clearing them out before the Hikoki change or multivolt release. 

Yeah the IP56 tools were pricey on release.

Just another photo I found:

I just got the multivolt triple hammer I love it

They’ve done a great job keeping the batteries compact. 

I’m not impressed yet. Hitachi doesn’t seem to take my market too seriously as far as cordless goes so I guess that’s to be expected. 

Yea they have some tools that catch my attention with their ip56 ratings.  But I don’t get their marketing strategy, I mean they won’t even put their triple hammer impact driver and hammerdrill together as a package in the US.  I also can’t find a decent 4 or 5 tool combo kit which if you’re going to get someone into your tool line I think a combo kit is a good start.

Just read on IG that multivolt will be getting a 10” table saw and an AC adapter for all multivolt tools. If that’s true that makes me absolutely furious with Dewalt. 

joemontague wrote:

I just got the multivolt triple hammer I love it
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Bremon wrote:

Just read on IG that multivolt will be getting a 10” table saw and an AC adapter for all multivolt tools. If that’s true that makes me absolutely furious with Dewalt. 

HiltiWpg wrote:

How does this not scream “Makita” to everyone? Even the strap, which no other company uses, is in the same spot.


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The.Handyman wrote:

2 hours ago, The.Handyman said:

If you read Kruger’s post carefully, he states it’s rumored to include those things. I’ll wait to see what is actually released.

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Thanks! We’ll see if OSHA can’t squash any hopes of a 10” table saw yet lol. 

I didn’t say it was a copy, it sure as hell looks like Makita made it though!

The.Handyman wrote:

The strap is a common feature in tools from Japan and that area of the world. This is in no way a copy of Makita.

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Can anyone confirm if they are actually coming out with a 36V multivolt reciprocating saw? I’ve read it on Toolguyd and Pro tool reviews but haven’t seen a single promo image/video of it. PTR says it’s supposed to have orbital action. 

My full size Metabo 18V reciprocating saw died recently so I need a new one ASAP. If I can’t be confident of a multivolt within the first release of tools I’ll just get the current 18V brushless (CR18DBL). I can’t wait too long unfortunately. Makita is also an option but I’ve hated the angle of the grip when trying it in store. 

1100Nm (812ft-lbs) Impact Wrench with 1800Nm nut busting torque.

http://www.hitachi-koki.com/powertools/products/li_ion/wr36da/wr36da.html

And here it is, the multivolt reciprocating saw. Damn, I just bought the 18V version 😕

See the video below for a comparison. The 36V is a monster. It looks a lot more powerful than the 18V and it rips through wood. Although bigger and heavier for sure. Perhaps there’s enough difference to justify getting both 😉

4.5kg with a 32mm stroke at 3,000spm. That’s the same stroke length and spm as the Milwaukee super sawzall but a whole kg lighter (5.5kg for Milwaukee). It’s also 89mm shorter (457mm vs 546mm).

This could be the new king of recip saws. I don’t think I’ve seen a recip saw cut wood faster than in that video.

https://www.hitachi-koki.co.jp/powertools/pro/cutter/cr36da/cr36da.html

https://www.hikoki-powertools.co.uk/products/cr36da

looks nice

So multivolt has started appearing around the world. Anyone purchased anything? 

I’ll be ordering a battery this week.

Interesting to see they have two battery sizes (both ah and physical):

-18650 cell 5.0ah/2.5ah

-21700 cell 8.0ah/4.0ah

Saw them at Menards the other day.  Here is a link to them on their site.

https://www.menards.com/main/search.html?sf_categoryHierarchy=&search=Metabo+hpt

It looks like the Kiwis are getting a Multivolt version of the 165mm deep cut circular saw:

https://www.hikoki.co.nz/shop/36v-multi-volt/36v-brushless-165mm-circular-saw-bare-tool/

Anyone got feedback on any of these? I’ve always thought it’s a good idea for high demand tools.

method wrote:

8 hours ago, method said:

Anyone got feedback on any of these? I’ve always thought it’s a good idea for high demand tools.

I’ve ordered the reciprocating saw and 185mm circular saw. They should be arriving next week. 

On paper the Multivolt tools look outstanding. I’m looking forward to seeing them compared with Makita X2 and Flexvolt. 

method wrote:

12 hours ago, method said:

Anyone got feedback on any of these? I’ve always thought it’s a good idea for high demand tools.

I got the 36v impact on clearance (the box and tool had some minor cosmetic damage) and love it.  I just got the Mil. Gen 3 fuel impact a few days before, but returned it because  I like the hitatchi better.  Way better ergonomics, more runtime, quieter and smoother.  The regular multivolt prices are very high though.  I’m looking to add a super sawzall, but Im thinking about waiting to see if the multivolt prices come down.  I have the regular fuel sawzall now, but even with two 9.0’s and their “rapid” charger I cant keep them charged when doing heavy demo work, so the cord option is very appealing with the multi volt.

dcl10 wrote:

5 hours ago, dcl10 said:

The regular multivolt prices are very high though

I totally agree with this.

I only ended up buying a couple of MV tools because they each came with a free Multivolt battery (during the boxing day sales here in Australia). Otherwise way too expensive. The MV reciprocating saw is $399 AUD and the circular saw is $385 AUD (tools only). Chuck in a free battery worth $179 AUD and it becomes great value though! 

Unless they take off I doubt we will see good value here in Australia. Kind of like Metabo, festool etc always excluded from sales at Total tools/Sydney tools. I like the look of the Hikoki tools though they look to be built quite well. Reviews of the recip saw make it look to cut super fast!

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The reciprocating saw has arrived. I haven’t used it yet but it feels very smooth and very powerful! The vibration control seems to be doing a great job, just holding it in hand shows it has MUCH less vibration than the 18V version. The 18V is supposed to be a low vibration saw, but I have doubts it actually is compared to most. My previous 18V brushed Metabo had less. 

The 36V is also noticeably heavier and louder than the 18V but not much bigger overall. The trigger is very smooth easy to pull (like all the Hitachi triggers I’ve used). 

The LED can be toggled to remain on at all times. 

Multivolt 7 1/4 inch circular saw. Very smooth running and high quality. I’ve never owned a cordless circular saw so I can’t comment on much else. Specs say the cut depth is 62mm. It feels sturdy and the silent mode is a lot less noise. The motor seems compact compared to others.

A Multivolt version of the 165mm 18V deep cut saw is out there apparently (NZ), and that saw does 66mm cut depth.

PTR have a review of the circular saw:

https://www.protoolreviews.com/trades/carpentry/metabo-hpt-multivolt-circular-saw/43019/

The final score was let down by the value (too expensive). $359 USD is insane pricing! It’s $389 AUD here in Australia, plus they had a recent offer with a free MV battery, so we Aussies are actually getting something cheaper than in the US. 

They also mentioned it’s 3lbs lighter than the M18 Fuel. 

Pros

• Excellent build quality
• Automatic speed control mode conserves battery life and runs quieter in niche applications
• Outperforms our corded worm drive
• Lightest among the Cordless Supersaws
• AC or DC power without switching saws

Cons

• Secondary handle is too small
• Very expensive at $359 bare
• No kit options currently available

Also looks pretty compact. The price automatically means this tool isn’t going to be one of the ones that wins over many buyers looking at other platforms, but in terms of size (including the smaller form-factor of running just a single 10-cell battery) I wonder if it’s actually more fair to compare it to competitor’s 18V brushless units. Still…that price…

I’m thinking we’ll see a price drop in the next 6 months, pricing is just too high, even the drill as great as it $350 for a drill and no battery? I could buy 3 Dewalt 996s for that price and get similar performance


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I am keen to see the quality of these, just been too busy to get to any stores to test them out but they look nice!

method wrote:

7 hours ago, method said:

I am keen to see the quality of these

Quality is really, really good on the recip saw and circular saw. They feel solid and well made, especially the recip saw. Both very smooth running. I’m especially keen to get the slide switch grinder when it’s available here. 

But, there’s something I don’t like about the brushless motors from Hitachi/Hikoki; for whatever reason, they are the loudest motors I’ve used. This includes their 18V and new Multivolt (they all sound very similar). They all seem to have a deep tone that sounds like it’s resonating exactly at some harmonic to be so loud. The worst is the 18V DS18DBFL2 compact drill. That thing is loud!

I like slide switch grinders. My old metabo cordless was a slide switch, if flexvolt came in slide switch I may have looked at that instead. I wonder if hikoki will share metabo parts, as in motors etc? 

Doesn’t Multivolt use an optical trigger instead of a normal variable speed trigger other brands use?

This video shows a performance comparison between the Flexvolt and a corded Milwaukee with the Multivolt reciprocating saw.