glass wrote:
2 hours ago, glass said:Just checked out the dewalt dhs790…. lets hope Milwaukee does better….. on the dewalt same hard head spring, crappy sticky slides and when I lowered the head all the way down the blade contacted the base of the saw.
Lol. When I checked one out I walked away impressed. Looking forward to seeing the Fuel in store.
I am an owner of a dws780. Its a great framer. Well priced, great capacity, light for size, shadow line, simple to use and adjust. If dewalt improved on the following it would be untouchable : added soft start, more power, smoother slides, less head tension. Of course just my 2 cents. Its a good saw but 800 bucks just to use it cordless is a big jump from the 600 I paid for corded only plus it came with a free stand.
Has anyone tried the Fuel miter with a dust collector? I would prefer the 10in in a cordless but the initial reviews seem to indicate dust goes everywhere with it’s design.
BLRWI wrote:
1 hour ago, BLRWI said:Has anyone tried the Fuel miter with a dust collector? I would prefer the 10in in a cordless but the initial reviews seem to indicate dust goes everywhere with it’s design.
This isn’t with a dust collector, but I doubt it would make enough difference to be worth the hassle of getting it to work with a cordless saw.
Great post. Thanks for the insight, I will hang tight and see what else the market brings forth
maybe the fastcap mustache could help or even 2 pieces of tape extending the dust chute ?
He problem with miter saw dust collection is that you’ve got to get to 95% before you can use one indoors in an occupied house. I’m not saying that they couldn’t do better or that an 80% dust collection rate wouldn’t be great, but I’m guessing that 20% of the dust flying around in a customer’s house is still going to be too much.
AFAIK, only the Festool does a good enough job to be used in a finished house and not a shop setting.
glass wrote:
8 hours ago, glass said:maybe the fastcap mustache could help or even 2 pieces of tape extending the dust chute ?
The 12″ Milwaukee miter saw has the same basic design for the dust collection. With just the bag, dust does everywhere. I’ve hooked mine up to a shop vac and it actually doesn’t spew much dust at all by comparison. I’ll have to do some more scientific testing or perhaps a quick video.
I’d love some sort of collapsible shroud to make it even better though.
BLRWI wrote:
11 hours ago, BLRWI said:
Has anyone tried the Fuel miter with a dust collector? I would prefer the 10in in a cordless but the initial reviews seem to indicate dust goes everywhere with it’s design.
..
khariV wrote:
59 minutes ago, khariV said:
The 12″ Milwaukee miter saw has the same basic design for the dust collection. With just the bag, dust does everywhere. I’ve hooked mine up to a shop vac and it actually doesn’t spew much dust at all by comparison. I’ll have to do some more scientific testing or perhaps a quick video.
I’d love some sort of collapsible shroud to make it even better though.
[External image (www.fastcap.com), not copied]
.. like this??
Jerry I too have looked for information on the Milwaukee stand but didn’t get anywhere, seems like it’s more popular in Europe tho
KnarlyCarl wrote:
23 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:
[External image (www.fastcap.com), not copied]
.. like this??
Actually I was thinking something that was like an accordion and would stretch between the dust chute and the fence back so that the dust doesn’t have quite so far to travel to get to the suction of DC. I’ll try to draw a diagram later to show you what I’m talking about. Maybe one of the crafty individuals around these parts can knock something up and make a few bucks.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
KnarlyCarl wrote:
2 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:
Jerry I too have looked for information on the Milwaukee stand but didn’t get anywhere, seems like it’s more popular in Europe tho
Yeah. It’s funny that I’ve seen it almost always demoed with the saw but I can’t recall ever seeing a review of it anywhere. For me it’ll work because like I mentioned before it seems sturdy, if not a little on the heavy side, but I wanted something stable to be able to deploy it in the garage and not have to worry about dust in the basement. I don’t have a dust extraction system.
Besides the dust collection what’s the verdict ? The good the bad the ugly…
glass wrote:
On 10/9/2016 at 7:57 AM, glass said:Besides the dust collection what’s the verdict ? The good the bad the ugly…
From what I can gather….
It’s light and fairly painless for transport..
It can work off any m18 battery (obviously not so well the smaller you go on the packs)
It cuts good, it slides super smooth
Blade shadow lighting for your cuts
5-3/4″ cut trim standing against the fence I believe is the number
..
Other considerations:
10″ blade, reduced capacity vs 12″ obviously
Some have mentioned the spring is a bit stiff when bringing the blade down for a cut, may cause deflection when doing compound cuts.
Can’t do extreme compound cuts without taking one side fence off completely
Awful/what were they thinking:
Dust collection (or the lack thereof) we can blame our general apathy to dust collection in our society. I’m on jobs throughout the year, nobody cares about it, nobody uses a dust bag either! Even in houses that are already painted and they are putting up trim! Just spray the dust all over, our lungs and brooms will clean it up….
However, Milwaukee should have taken that famous “disruptive innovation” of theirs and done something proactive!!
Also have to lift up the blade guard just a little on certain bevels as you push the saw into the material so it doesn’t catch, but this is not uncommon on miter saws
I’ve been in contact with my favourite tool supplier regularly this past while with regards to preorders, as well as some promotions they are running and what I would like to see. Turns out they are doing the toss in 9.0 as well. Guess I’ll have a red mitre saw before I have a yellow one…it’s going to have to be stored until the house is finished in 2 months lol.
I also thought it came with a rapid charger rather than the charge station. Good value!
the m18 sawzall with charger and 9.0 battery and the 7 1/4 fuel circular saw with charger and 9.0 battery are $250 each at home depot and the 9 battery is 170 by itself. Let the deals roll.
And Canada is also getting that deal. Damn it why do I already have these tools lol.
glass wrote:
2 hours ago, glass said:the m18 sawzall with charger and 9.0 battery and the 7 1/4 fuel circular saw with charger and 9.0 battery are $250 each at home depot and the 9 battery is 170 by itself. Let the deals roll.
Yup, got the fuel circ saw deal from acme during their 10% off site wide Monday and Tuesday so it was even less…. I think I want to sell the 9.0 pack and the rapid charger…. you want it?
Well finally got my email from HD that my saw shipped. Tracking says it’s coming from Georgia and will be here Wednesday. I see on their website that the saw is no longer listed as backordered as well.
The one feature that this saw is missing imo is a corded option. It would have been amazing if they had made this hybrid so that you could not use the battery when you are in a place where power is available. That is one thing I hope that Ryobi (since I use Ryobi tools) does if they ever release a cordless 10+” miter saw.
Sure having the corded option is nice but how much differnce will it be having two 9 amp batteries rotating off the quick charger in reality? I can’t think of any usage scenario where you would run out of juice on the 9Ah battery before the second one was charged on the quick charger. If you have that much miter saw work planned you probably aren’t looking at a portable battery powered miter saw solution anyway and neither the flexvolt or the fuel miter makes much sense.
Unlike the flexvolt though you can also use any of the older m18 batteries you already have on hand if you’d like. That and you only need one battery, unlike the flexvolt.
Lookie what the nice man dressed in brown just dropped off:
It appears the extra battery thing is right from Milwaukee and on the packaging directly as you can see, not a sticker even. I hope they keep it this way it’s a good deal…
Mine comes Thursday.
got mine today too.
glass wrote:
5 hours ago, glass said:Mine comes Thursday.
Nice. Enjoy!
lunicy wrote:
38 minutes ago, lunicy said:got mine today too.
Nice.
It was fun setting it up. For some reason I thought it was coming with a 40t blade but it came with 60t. I’m trying to decide if I should return the 60t diablo and get an 80t diablo and keep the standard Milwaukee blade, which seems decent enough, for less important stuff.
The stock blade is supposedly quite nice (for once). How do you like that stand? Looks stylish
Bremon wrote:
28 minutes ago, Bremon said:The stock blade is supposedly quite nice (for once). How do you like that stand? Looks stylish
The stand is nice. It’s a little on the heavy side but seems very sturdy. It’s super easy to deploy and the roller extensions have a pretty good span.
I have to say that even with limited use today the shadow line light works really really well. Overall the saw is nice and lightweight, easy to adjust and easy to use. The pair of 9 Ah batteries are BIG lol too.
JerryNY wrote:
On 10/17/2016 at 10:30 PM, JerryNY said:Sure having the corded option is nice but how much differnce will it be having two 9 amp batteries rotating off the quick charger in reality? I can’t think of any usage scenario where you would run out of juice on the 9Ah battery before the second one was charged on the quick charger. If you have that much miter saw work planned you probably aren’t looking at a portable battery powered miter saw solution anyway and neither the flexvolt or the fuel miter makes much sense.
Unlike the flexvolt though you can also use any of the older m18 batteries you already have on hand if you’d like. That and you only need one battery, unlike the flexvolt.
The main difference is that you would not have to use the battery when you don’t need to. All batteries have a limited number of charges before they fail, therefore the less you use them; the longer they will last which is good considering how expensive they are.
Cheng Liu wrote:
1 hour ago, Cheng Liu said:The main difference is that you would not have to use the battery when you don’t need to. All batteries have a limited number of charges before they fail, therefore the less you use them; the longer they will last which is good considering how expensive they are.
All very true but then why not just buy the corded Dewalt saw and forgo the flexvolt altogether? The Flexvolt Miter requires two expensive limited lifespan batteries to work off the cord so you might as well save money. In the end the Fuel and Flexvolt are in different classes. The Fuel is smaller lighter 10″ which prob is better if you need a portable miter to work, maybe up a ladder, off battery exclusively all day on one battery that probably can handle 98% of the jobs you’d need a miter saw for. The Flexvolt is a full sized saw that offers flexibility to be on battery or mains but you get a heavier more bulky saw, but it’s worth it if you need the full sized for sure. It all depends on what you need.
Everyone always rattles off how expensive FlexVolt is but everywhere I see the prices are about the same for a 2 pack of 2.0/6.0 FlexVolt as a 2 pack of M18 5.0, and cheaper than a single 9.0. There are always deals to be had when you shop different kits etc. but the “it takes two batteries!!” shtick is a nonstarter cost wise. Charge time however is a different story with limited plugs/chargers.
Maybe but I paid $540 with two 9.0 batteries for the Fuel miter and the 9.0 battery is currently $169 on HD and currently the largest flexvolt is only 6Ah and is $149 singly. I haven’t seen pricing of a two pack of 9’s.
Those costs aside you don’t have to buy any batteries at all for the Fuel if you already are on the M18 platform. The Flexvolt saw requires two identical flexvolt batteries to function.
It’s not so much that two batteries is draconian on a tool it’s just an annoyance that you have to tie up two batteries and they’d better both be the same charge level. That and the dual charger for the Flexvolt seems very slow, one reviewer said it took over 2-1/2 hours to charge the pair. The Milwaukee you could throw a 5.0 on the saw if you only have one 9 or just rotate them if you have a pair. To rotate batteries on a flexvolt miter you have to do it with four batteries. It’s just inconvenient and you have to lug around more stuff; not the end of the world but annoying.
Plus you have an extra 10 lbs of saw to begin with. The dual charger looks like it’s a typical Dewalt POS charger. 4 amps each pack. The single fan cooled is 8 amps. M18 rapid is 5 amps I believe. Standard M18 is 3.
Says on the rapid charger 12V ~4.5A & 18V~6A. The problem with Dewalt’s, and other dual battery chargers for dual battery tools, is charging two high capacity lithium ion batteries on one charger is the pretty high amp draw on the circuit. They probably didn’t want to push it with the 10+amps on a charger plugged into you outlet. It’s one thing to have circular saws, miter saws or other tools tripping the breaker but to have a charger trip the breaker might be a bridge too far.
Also the Fuel is 45lbs vs the Flex’s 56lbs and the M18 9.0 battery is only slightly heavier at around 2.4 lbs than the felxvlolt 6.0 at 2.3 lbs but you need two which puts the Flexvolt well over 60 and the Fuel is still well under 50 with the 9 on it.
Getting more and more excited to grab one of these lol.
Canada is getting hit real hard on these miter saws from both DeWalt and Milwaukee
Milwaukee is selling for $899.00 with extra 9.0ah battery currently the corded 12″ version is on sale for $499
and DeWalt a whopping $1099
comp56 wrote:
17 minutes ago, comp56 said:Canada is getting hit real hard on these miter saws from both DeWalt and Milwaukee
Milwaukee is selling for $899.00 with extra 9.0ah battery currently the corded 12″ version is on sale for $499
and DeWalt a whopping $1099
Sounds like it’s time for a road trip south of the border.
Different saws. Dewalt= framing. Milwaukee = finish. On my current job the crew has the dws780 out for framing and deck sleepers. When it’s time to do the trim, fascia,freezes, and mahogany decking out comes the hitach 10″ slider. As soon as I have fully tested my new milwaukee 2734 I may buy another to replace the crews aging Hitachi. Batteries will last at least 3 years(warranty). Hopefully longer.
khariV wrote:
5 minutes ago, khariV said:Sounds like it’s time for a road trip south of the border.
na, I have the 12″ Milwaukee stationary miter and that is more miter saw than I need already…lol
JerryNY wrote:
22 hours ago, JerryNY said:
All very true but then why not just buy the corded Dewalt saw and forgo the flexvolt altogether? The Flexvolt Miter requires two expensive limited lifespan batteries to work off the cord so you might as well save money. In the end the Fuel and Flexvolt are in different classes. The Fuel is smaller lighter 10″ which prob is better if you need a portable miter to work, maybe up a ladder, off battery exclusively all day on one battery that probably can handle 98% of the jobs you’d need a miter saw for. The Flexvolt is a full sized saw that offers flexibility to be on battery or mains but you get a heavier more bulky saw, but it’s worth it if you need the full sized for sure. It all depends on what you need.
All I’m saying is that it would have been nice if Milwaukee had made their miter saw hybrid as well. I can’t imagine it would add that much more bulk to it. That way you don’t need a separate corded and cordless miter saw.
Cheng Liu wrote:
22 minutes ago, Cheng Liu said:All I’m saying is that it would have been nice if Milwaukee had made their miter saw hybrid as well. I can’t imagine it would add that much more bulk to it. That way you don’t need a separate corded and cordless miter saw.
Yeah no doubt it would be nice but not quite as simple to do as on Dewalt’s flexvolt. They made it 120v for a reason. In theory you could make an adapter for any cordless tool but I think Dewalt made the Flexvolt a 2x60v = 120 setup so it essentially is a custom add on for the saw and the saw only, they don’t want you getting any ideas to try to use it on any other tools, and eliminates inefficiencies etc. If Milwaukee, or any other cordless tool maker for that matter, wants to they can make a converter that simply clicks into the tools battery slot. The problem is companies make so much on the batteries hey don’t want to. The flexvolt miter could hurt battery sales for dewalt but then again they will make up for it because those that want to will have to buy two packs at a time to use it cordlessly…
JerryNY wrote:
23 hours ago, JerryNY said:
Yeah no doubt it would be nice but not quite as simple to do as on Dewalt’s flexvolt. They made it 120v for a reason. In theory you could make an adapter for any cordless tool but I think Dewalt made the Flexvolt a 2x60v = 120 setup so it essentially is a custom add on for the saw and the saw only, they don’t want you getting any ideas to try to use it on any other tools, and eliminates inefficiencies etc. If Milwaukee, or any other cordless tool maker for that matter, wants to they can make a converter that simply clicks into the tools battery slot. The problem is companies make so much on the batteries hey don’t want to. The flexvolt miter could hurt battery sales for dewalt but then again they will make up for it because those that want to will have to buy two packs at a time to use it cordlessly…
Who said anything about a converter? Could they not just make a male plug that you can plug the female end of an extension cord into? The picture below shows what I mean on the Ryobi worklight. The left is where you can plug in the female end of an extension cord and the right hole is where the battery goes. I imagine they place the holes next to each other so that only one can be plugged in at a time.
The light is doing conversion internally, you don’t magically convert 120v ac to 18vdc. The very low amp draw of an led light is easier than a high amp tool also. The Flexvolt uses 120v ac to 120v dc but many reviewers state that they felt the saw is more powerful off the batteries than the mains, probably because they use capacitors to smooth out the line voltage and you often don’t have 120v exactly out of your wall socket. A Milwaukee fuel miter would need to convert 120v ac for a high amp 18v motor which is doable but it isn’t as simple as plugging in an extension cord.
Just picked one up at the HD with 2 9.0 Battery’s. I hope to put it to use this week.