DPSElias wrote:
I don’t disagree, but at least you can use them on the 20V tools so it’s not a completely new platform, but yes 60V tools will be a new platform….It’s nice to see some bigger badder tools but at the expense of convenience. But honestly think this would make someone look at Milwaukee/Makita a little harder when deciding on a platform
Yes I agree it doesn’t make the 20v line any different but you might consider a few 60v tools for the extra power ! I would buy one of them even though I’m invested in bosch and metabo and I can’t use the 60v batteries In my other tools but people with the dewalt 20v can
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DeWALT Flexvolt
well, it´s out now
AMAZING
there will be many more comments/hints/news/updates ad more products added in this category
I did not study marketing, I´m often unorganized but I would like to ask moderators and the group to bring some kind of structure to the future posts
all hints / wishes / suggestions welcome
my suggestion
a kind of directory/topic stucture
hence
dewalt flexvolt
– compatability
new 60v tools
each tool a own directory / title
eg..
– grinder
– alligator (might be a Europe thing)
– impact hammer
– tablesaw
– chargers
– chainsaw
– led
etc.
what you guys think ??
2) I do have some more teasers !
– there will be a vacuum available in August
– dual port charger
cheers
mike
T75R wrote:
1 hour ago, T75R said:BTW who wants to place bets that Jimbo is the first one to buy a flexvolt tool! Lol
Too late… I ordered yesterday!
;D
There’s a couple things that are gonna keep me from the flexvolt system. 1. The new 60v battery platform. 2. Battery operated power tools are supposed to be easily portable and I personally won’t be to keen on moving a big miter saw around so a simple cord would be fine for me. 3. Is the 20v adaption basically a giant heavy bulky battery? Because to me that’s just added weight to the drill.
MikeInCtown wrote:
So am I understanding this correctly, they have come out with yet ANOTHER battery platform? This is one of the reasons why I ditched DeWalt to begin with. Others started to settle on one platform while DeWalt was still selling two styles of 18V batteries and tools.
As far as voltage, it means nothing without the amp hours to back it up. Which is why i suspect Milwaukee put out their comparison pictured above.
My frustrations exactly
Jimbo
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Well don’t worry guys, @wildroamer and I will keep you up to date on the pure unadulterated power of the new recip.
The only flex volt I would consider would be appropriate cord replacement tools like the table and miter, those things are pretty brilliant, power supply too is good
Jimbo
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MikeInCtown wrote:
1 hour ago, MikeInCtown said:So am I understanding this correctly, they have come out with yet ANOTHER battery platform? This is one of the reasons why I ditched DeWalt to begin with. Others started to settle on one platform while DeWalt was still selling two styles of 18V batteries and tools.
As far as voltage, it means nothing without the amp hours to back it up. Which is why i suspect Milwaukee put out their comparison pictured above.
Well I bet the 18v xrp line is officially going to be killed off soon. Dewalt still might make OEM batteries but that’s about it. New production tools and such will end.
Are we pretty sure at this point there won’t be a new 20 V recip, just the flex volt?
How about a brushless jig saw?
ChrisK wrote:
Well don’t worry guys, @wildroamer and I will keep you up to date on the pure unadulterated power of the new recip.
You know I’m getting me some too!
For the people that are complaining about the size of the battery here is a size comparison of the current dewalt 20v 5ah and the newest Metabo 18v 6.2ah. Metabo is the current leader in 18v battery tech and had to go bigger because of the cells being used. The extra size is not that big of a deal. That being said I am stoked at what Dewalt has done because you can only squeak so much power out of a 18v. Metabos are at the top and they are not a corded replacement yet. The higher voltage batteries are the future if you want corded power and the ability to still use them in 20v tools is awesome. Some tools will be unnecessary in 60v form so thats why they won’t abandon the 20v line. Their idea is that you will have the power on big tools and the longevity on smaller tools. Is there a need for a 60v caulking gun? exactly!!
I know everyone wants corded power in a battery the size of a watch battery, that will work in all tools. Unless a spacecraft crashes and gives up unforeseen alien technology, this is the current progression that needs to happen.
Marcv76 wrote:
8 minutes ago, Marcv76 said:For the people that are complaining about the size of the battery here is a size comparison of the current dewalt 20v 5ah and the newest Metabo 18v 6.2ah. Metabo is the current leader in 18v battery tech and had to go bigger because of the cells being used. The extra size is not that big of a deal. That being said I am stoked at what Dewalt has done because you can only squeak so much power out of a 18v. Metabos are at the top and they are not a corded replacement yet. The higher voltage batteries are the future if you want corded power and the ability to still use them in 20v tools is awesome. Some tools will be unnecessary in 60v form so thats why they won’t abandon the 20v line. Their idea is that you will have the power on big tools and the longevity on smaller tools. Is there a need for a 60v caulking gun? exactly!!
I know everyone wants corded power in a battery the size of a watch battery, that will work in all tools. Unless a spacecraft crashes and gives up unforeseen alien technology, this is the current progression that needs to happen.
Thanks for taking the time to post that. Actually a really good comparison to boot.
please note: don´t be confused
60V max is 54Volt max in Europe
they are IDENTICAL, just a marketing scheme
Published in Europe today:
the Alligator saw
DCS397
to add in one more
SDS Hammerdrill
http://futurejobsite.dewalt.co.uk/products/sds-plus-hammer-drill
PLEASE note: they also speak of the 9,0ah battery pack !
shown in picture !!!
I can’t wait until these hit the shelves at HD! I’ve been saving my pennies!
moderators !
please create a structure as suggested above !
individual tool structure within flexvolt !
I do not want to post pictures of a dual port charger or vacuum cleaner here !
yes ! they will be available !
Some really interesting stuff from Dewalt but not sure how they’re going to handle some things. If you double the voltage of a battery pack you halve its Ah rating, simple physics. So a 20v 5Ah pack would become a 40v 2.5Ah. There’s a reason ope packs are so large to begin with. In theory a 20v 5Ah pack and a 40v 2.5Ah do the same exact amount of work because the energy stored in the pack is the same. While it is interesting and cool what Dewalts done I’m not sure they’ve over complicated their whole platform with introducing a new thing. It should be interesting to see what all these tools can do though. It seems like it’s been a while since they’ve dumped an assload of new stuff all at once for the market to digest so hats off to them.
Pretty easy to follow. Also they’ll power the new 120v tools too……..:D
JerryNY wrote:
18 minutes ago, JerryNY said:Some really interesting stuff from Dewalt but not sure how they’re going to handle some things. If you double the voltage of a battery pack you halve its Ah rating, simple physics. So a 20v 5Ah pack would become a 40v 2.5Ah. There’s a reason ope packs are so large to begin with. In theory a 20v 5Ah pack and a 40v 2.5Ah do the same exact amount of work because the energy stored in the pack is the same. While it is interesting and cool what Dewalts done I’m not sure they’ve over complicated their whole platform with introducing a new thing. It should be interesting to see what all these tools can do though. It seems like it’s been a while since they’ve dumped an assload of new stuff all at once for the market to digest so hats off to them.
I can understand the higher voltage for use of a given size wire and amp draw. For everything else it is basically just marketing. With the electronics in the tools these days, they could take an 18v pack and pump the power up internal to the tool.
One thing I don’t understand is why they would want to go over the low voltage limitations and be subject to even tougher and more stringent laws regarding voltages. (do those laws cover battery power, or just AC current?)
and here I don´t want to talk about batteries with more than 100wh that are categorized as
CLASS 9 Hazordous goods
requires specialist dangerous goods shipping
= expensive
any why Dewalt flexvolt DOES NOT have to be categorized like this
posts and more info like this will get lost in a single thread !
I want an individual forum/topic category
cheers
mike
I just watched the video from this morning and all I can see is over hyped and over priced.
regopit wrote:
I just watched the video from this morning and all I can see is over hyped and over priced.
As in forcing a new battery platform?
Jimbo
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So many goodies coming out, Was going to jump ship to Makita but I think i hang on that bit longer I got my eye on that new recip saw and the circular saw.
I was pumped for this event 2 days ago with the hope of more than just the 60V platform and we got more…but I do still want/need a smaller 6-1/2″ circular saw and I would prefer a brushless, left blade model. I was really hoping it would have been part of this release.
Now the cordless metal hanger nailer looks sweet!!!
Congrats to DeWalt for continuing to progress. It’s great that companies are not being stagnant. Utilizing the technology of today will only better the industry as a whole and I’m glad to see this happening, especially with Milwaukee and DeWalt.
It seems to me like the motto of tools companies lately have been “cut the cord”. I have been thinking about this for a while now and I’ve gone back and forth about the whole thing. I love my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools, they allow me to cut the cord, but it comes at a price. A high sticker price. Often times costing twice the amount for a comparable corded tool. And not to mention the added cost of batteries. Another point worth mentioning is that these new cordless tools are also not time tested. Sure, the tools themselves may last for a while, but how long will companies continue to produce the same batteries?. I still own a bunch of corded tools that are well over 25 years old, and some even older that have been passed down from my Dad. I really don’t think I will be passing down my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools because they will be so outdated.
For myself, for the way I work, for my own needs, I think there will always be a blend of corded and cordless tools. I don’t see a great enough benefit for going cordless with a large miter saw or table saw, especially because of the price tag. I would much rather get a really great corded miter saw and table saw that will last me for a generation or two. Where cordless fits the bill with me is Convenience and Portability.
Surfer wrote:
Congrats to DeWalt for continuing to progress. It’s great that companies are not being stagnant. Utilizing the technology of today will only better the industry as a whole and I’m glad to see this happening, especially with Milwaukee and DeWalt.
It seems to me like the motto of tools companies lately have been “cut the cord”. I have been thinking about this for a while now and I’ve gone back and forth about the whole thing. I love my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools, they allow me to cut the cord, but it comes at a price. A high sticker price. Often times costing twice the amount for a comparable corded tool. And not to mention the added cost of batteries. Another point worth mentioning is that these new cordless tools are also not time tested. Sure, the tools themselves may last for a while, but how long will companies continue to produce the same batteries?. I still own a bunch of corded tools that are well over 25 years old, and some even older that have been passed down from my Dad. I really don’t think I will be passing down my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools because they will be so outdated.
For myself, for the way I work, for my own needs, I think there will always be a blend of corded and cordless tools. I don’t see a great enough benefit for going cordless with a large miter saw or table saw, especially because of the price tag. I would much rather get a really great corded miter saw and table saw that will last me for a generation or two. Where cordless fits the bill with me is Convenience and Portability.
Well said nalu was talking to a few guys in here in chat that I’d rather by a high end corded saw than flip the bill for the cordless
Jimbo
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midogrumpy wrote:
43 minutes ago, midogrumpy said:please note: don´t be confused
60V max is 54Volt max in Europe
they are IDENTICAL, just a marketing scheme
Published in Europe today:
the Alligator saw
DCS397
to add in one more
SDS Hammerdrill
http://futurejobsite.dewalt.co.uk/products/sds-plus-hammer-drill
PLEASE note: they also speak of the 9,0ah battery pack !
shown in picture !!!
I wish they would sell the alligator saw here in the states it looks like a handy little tool to have!!
That SDS looks nice, but I wish they’d do a 120v version with a much higher impact energy down the road.
Still a great deal more powerful (3.5J) than my bulldog (2.4J) which is my primary hammer drill. Might be one of my first 60v tools. Bad boy looks the buisness.
I also would like a subforum for Flexvolt, there are many different threads and conversations to be had that need to be topic specific.
It will be interesting to see how the XR Flexvolt 54v (as it is known this side of the pond) will compete with the new Milwaukee OPE. I suspect that Milwaukee will come out on top. Why? 9ah battery Vs 2ah. Even when you factor in the higher voltage I suspect that the DeWalt will lag on run time.
midogrumpy wrote:
and here I don´t want to talk about batteries with more than 100wh that are categorized asCLASS 9 Hazordous goods
requires specialist dangerous goods shipping
= expensive
any why Dewalt flexvolt DOES NOT have to be categorized like this
posts and more info like this will get lost in a single thread !
I want an individual forum/topic category
cheers
mike
Start your own and fill us in with the details
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ChrisR wrote:
16 minutes ago, ChrisR said:It will be interesting to see how the XR Flexvolt 54v (as it is known this side of the pond) will compete with the new Milwaukee OPE. I suspect that Milwaukee will come out on top. Why? 9ah battery Vs 2ah. Even when you factor in the higher voltage I suspect that the DeWalt will lag on run time.
Well of course it will run longer. Hook up the 9ah to a 60v tool and it won’t last as long as it would in an 18v tool either.
Dewalt will catch up soon for those that need that kind of runtime, personally for as long as it takes to charge a battery that size (read that it takes about 2 hours to charge the 9ah Milwaukee, yeesh), I’d rather have two half as demanding to add flexibility to the system.
9ah is literally too much IMO. A case could be made for the SCMS, Table Saw, Grinder, and the SDS hammer drill, but again, I’d rather half two half’s than a whole myself. By the time you furnish enough batteries at that amperage to overcome the charge times and lack of ability to operate 2 separate tools at once when needed, I could buy a house in St. Croix.
DR99 wrote:
1 hour ago, DR99 said:I wish they would sell the alligator saw here in the states it looks like a handy little tool to have!!
Go on Ebay , I am sure you can find it. I am sure some of the European members of the forum would love some of the US products and would be willing to work out a trade for something the US gets but Europe doesn’t.
Just watched the vids, awesome! Might have to change colours again!
Can’t wait for some review videos!
regopit wrote:
6 hours ago, regopit said:I just watched the video from this morning and all I can see is over hyped and over priced.
I don’t know the prices on everything but the 12″ sliding miter saw is supposedly going to be $799 with 2 batteries and the cord adapter. That actually seems like a fair price to get a hybrid dws780. I mean I can go into the forest and build a log cabin off the grid, Im sure I’ll never do that but now I have the option. haha
How come outside of leaked information in this thread there’s basically no press information or data on the area light?
As amped as I am about the 60V line and that I believe in team yellow’s innovation I’m probably more curious about new 20V tools. Super amped about the caulk gun but I’d love to see if they jumped into the cordless sander game. Also Dewalt could I please have a 20V trim router pretty please?
Hugh Jass wrote:
How come outside of leaked information in this thread there’s basically no press information or data on the area light?
A little here:
…
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midogrumpy wrote:
6 hours ago, midogrumpy said:and here I don´t want to talk about batteries with more than 100wh that are categorized as
CLASS 9 Hazordous goods
requires specialist dangerous goods shipping
= expensive
any why Dewalt flexvolt DOES NOT have to be categorized like this
posts and more info like this will get lost in a single thread !
I want an individual forum/topic category
cheers
mike
Watching tools in action on periscope, I believe one of their reps was discussing this. I believe there was some sort of plastic cap that went onto the top of the battery that somehow allowed it to not have to be held under that regulation. I only half paid attention because It didn’t seem important to myself, but now that you asked it vaguely rings a bell.
I saw a similar but different picture along the same lines, but I’d like some details about how they stack, how they function, hands on…I mean I know most people aren’t super excited about that one as much but on sale I’m certainly going to pick it up eventually I think.
I’ve been looking at the Wobble Light as well, a little cheaper, WAY brighter (like 6X as bright), but not cordless or charging capable. Don’t think the Wobble is adjustable brightness either. Another bonus for the Dewalt is it might be LED so no heat.
Did anyone else see them take the 4 battery power unit and run a blender? That is going to be a pretty sweet camping accessory. Real coffee in the morning, blended drinks, ect. seeing how it is also a charger I wonder if you could rig a solar panel setup to keep it topped off?
All the hype for this. Another battery platform? What about the 40v OPE stuff that just came out last year, is that going away? Should I return my oil leaking, battery killing,no power having chainsaw I just bought? Yes I was doing that anyway. So I guess we are not getting a good 20v brushless recip saw, which is what I was hoping for more then anything else. Oh well. The area light and the threaded rod cutter does look interesting. The press tool is a definate for me. But all and all kind of a let down, I see the 60v stuff going the way of the 36 volt stuff especially if the price is too high. I also wasn’t impressed with the milwaukee show either, I mean how many lights do you need?
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Yeah I know crying like a little baby. I’ll have to wait and see how they are
Exactly, sit on it for a little bit and see how you feel. In the meantime take back your defective tool.
They’re not done making 20v tools. Because they make a 60v tool doesn’t mean 20v is screwed. There’s a lot of momentum for 20v, right now there’s none for 60v.
kentcatlett wrote:
Just now, kentcatlett said:Yeah I know crying like a little baby. I’ll have to wait and see how they are
haha just messing with you man. Your right about wanting some more brushless 20v like the reciprocating saw. They might come out later. Those wouldn’t be as groundbreaking and might just be a silent release. I plan to just keep my 20v compact recipe saw and get the 60v for when real power is needed. No tool company wants to lose money so I think they made the 40v and a engineer said ” I have a better idea” and the 60v was born. It seems to me to be the best of both worlds but we will see when the actual hands on reviews come. No tool brand will be perfect and you just have to go with the one that has as many of the tools that you need.
From what I was able to catch today everything was pretty badass to me I mean I understand some of the rants and concerns I’ve read but all in all I really don’t see nothing that pushes me to feel worried in a bad way I just can’t wait till one of the crew and Dan and Eric get there hands on them for a review.
Surfer wrote:
15 hours ago, Surfer said:Congrats to DeWalt for continuing to progress. It’s great that companies are not being stagnant. Utilizing the technology of today will only better the industry as a whole and I’m glad to see this happening, especially with Milwaukee and DeWalt.
It seems to me like the motto of tools companies lately have been “cut the cord”. I have been thinking about this for a while now and I’ve gone back and forth about the whole thing. I love my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools, they allow me to cut the cord, but it comes at a price. A high sticker price. Often times costing twice the amount for a comparable corded tool. And not to mention the added cost of batteries. Another point worth mentioning is that these new cordless tools are also not time tested. Sure, the tools themselves may last for a while, but how long will companies continue to produce the same batteries?. I still own a bunch of corded tools that are well over 25 years old, and some even older that have been passed down from my Dad. I really don’t think I will be passing down my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools because they will be so outdated.
For myself, for the way I work, for my own needs, I think there will always be a blend of corded and cordless tools. I don’t see a great enough benefit for going cordless with a large miter saw or table saw, especially because of the price tag. I would much rather get a really great corded miter saw and table saw that will last me for a generation or two. Where cordless fits the bill with me is Convenience and Portability.
First, those corded tools that were passed down cost a bunch of money back in the day. You might sit there and think well he paid $100 for it and now they are $200, but you don’t realize that the $100 back then might be worth $350 today. As far as today’s cost, you need to weight the benefits. A compact impact driver to me is well worth the $200 price tag if I can program it like I can, and I can crawl under a car withouta cord, or change a tire on the side of the road with it, or grab the tool and go from location to location without coiling up a cord every 5 minutes. Time is money. The last three times I’ve used my compact impact at work I would guess I saved myself well over an hour in labor just by not needing to constantly move or coil an extension cord. That time saved already paid for any extra cost of the impact, and that is only a month into ownership.
Those old tools are also far heavier than the ones on the market today, which means you may fatigue faster and get less work done. They are also corded so you need to have electric available where you are working. so that means extra time spent running cords, the cost of a temporary panel, or cost of a portable generator. You also look more professional if you aren’t asking your client where you can plug in your stuff.
As far as batteries, DeWalt is still selling their old 18V packs that they used in the drills 20 years back. Hell i still got one! never use it though because it is so slow and underpowered compared to today’s models. Still, even if they stopped producing the batteries, you can still buy the Sub C cells and repair them yourself.
I do see your point though in having some corded tools. High draw high use tools are better off being corded. For the majority of a lot of people though, both professional and homeowner, cordless is a far better choice for most needs.