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Today after work I went to go purchase the new m18 nail guns…and left empty handed.
The 15g nailer is powerful and has similar performance to an air gun, but I’d never consider using it on a weekly basis. It’s larger and heavier then my dcn692 framing gun.
And the Brad nailer had nothing but problems firing… I caught the tail end of it on camera.
This was at neus in Menominee falls Wisconsin, the tool guy that I spoke with said everyone in the store was pretty disappointed to say the least… And they haven’t sold ANY today despite the fact that you get a free 2amp battery..[External image (uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com), not copied][External image (uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com), not copied][External image (uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com), not copied][External image (uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com), not copied]https://vimeo.com/165074809https://vimeo.com/165074884
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That’s a bummer thanks for letting us know dude I was considering the 15g angled
Jimbo
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That’s pretty disappointing coming from Milwaukee. They have/had a pretty good chance to get a lot of users to jump on their cordless nailer lineup. I’m sure they will get it dialed in pretty shortly though.
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Not being a Milwaukee guy, I am still surprised. Thanks for letting us know dude!
well well, can’t really base the product from this video can’t see Milwaukee putting out that poor of a product on launch. I’d like to see some tests straight out of a box in person.
That’s pretty disappointing. Seems to work well when it’s not having problems at least
Yea the videos suck, it’s a PIA trying to hold my phone and the gun. The weights listed online are most definitely without the batteries
They are big.. And awkward
I really wanted the 15g for hanging interior doors, it’s a PIA to do this because you have to snake your hose between the subfloor and the door slab, but there’s no way I’d consider these for any finish work.
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In case anybody is somewhat local I’ll post their ” tool day” sale below.
This place is a toys r us for adults!
http://www.neushardware.com/event/toolday/
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Hmm. That’s disappointing. I’m interested in the brad and 15 myself. Looking forward to more videos and reviews.
Oh oh and thanks for the videos Renner!
They actually sound pretty quick. But it may be a matter of perspective..: this guy loves the 16 gauge
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Say it ain’t SO!!! 🙁
I’m a Milwaukee guy and I think that Milwaukee is late to the game so they better come up with something better than that. I got tired of waiting for these and got the DeWalt guns and I love them.
The Dewalt really hit it out of the park, but damn! Can’t believe that. They’ve must have been dropped or something
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All the videos I’ve seen so far show an impressive nailer. I don’t think milwaukee would release a nailer that is that bad.
I will have to try one myself and see how it plays out.
I did purchase a Ridgid nailer when they were released last year and ended up returning it because I felt it didn’t quite replace my hose nailer in terms of performance.
The concord carpenter has a video review of the 18ga trim nailer and only had one bad thing to say, that it didn’t like firing at an angle. Other than that he said to had great power and throughout the test it never jammed a single time. He said to buy.
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DarynH wrote:
The concord carpenter has a video review of the 18ga trim nailer and only had one bad thing to say, that it didn’t like firing at an angle. Other than that he said to had great power and throughout the test it never jammed a single time. He said to buy.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I saw that video. Makes me wonder if the one Dan and Eric got.was a fluke or the good one the Rob got was the fluke.
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kruton wrote:
I saw that video. Makes me wonder if the one Dan and Eric got.was a fluke or the good one the Rob got was the fluke.Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
I didn’t even know Dan and Eric did a review of them yet?? Theirs didn’t do well?
DarynH wrote:
I didn’t even know Dan and Eric did a review of them yet?? Theirs didn’t do well?
Sorry man I mispoke, I forgot it was a Periscope video and not YouTube.
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kruton wrote:
Sorry man I mispoke, I forgot it was a Periscope video and not YouTube.Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
What was it doing? What was their thoughts on it?
DarynH wrote:
What was it doing? What was their thoughts on it?
Not a fan they had some issues but could have been the brads
DarynH wrote:
What was it doing? What was their thoughts on it?
Just several misfires. They didn’t care for the plastic housing either, said it just felt cheap. I’d like them to get another one and see if they have the same issues.
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Hmmm. I might have to head over to the local everything Milwaukee pro shop to see if they’ve got them to play with.
DarynH wrote:
10 hours ago, DarynH said:The concord carpenter has a video review of the 18ga trim nailer and only had one bad thing to say, that it didn’t like firing at an angle. Other than that he said to had great power and throughout the test it never jammed a single time. He said to buy.
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Yeah i saw that last night, really knows his stuff, and he put it through a ridiculous scenario haha but it was cool seeing it shot 1198 nails out of the 1200 nails Milwaukee claimed it can shoot. It got warm apparently so he let it cool down, but it was put through more of a rigorous test than real lift situation. But I was impressed it never jammed once. He also mentioned his thoughts on the bump fire mode, that it doesn’t help and shouldn’t really be used for precision like trim install
I don’t really use bump all that often on nailers, it’s nice to have when you want it though.
Jimbo
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Everyone seems to be forgetting about the 16 “thermal overloads”
What a pos
No thanks !
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I enjoy robs videos as well, but being a finish carpenter myself I could tell he was holding things back..also he never answered his own question if he’d ever “consider it for an entire finish job”
I’m telling you guys right now these nailers are nothing they are marketed to be..say what you will
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Today I had second thoughts about the m18 Brad after my visit on Monday when I originally went to Check them out.. I went there again today and bought the 15g and 18g hoping I’ll feel better about them after I use them for a few jobs next week…Got them home and the Brad was doing the same nonsense as in the store on Monday…not firing, half ass sinking. Nothing but embarrassing problems….
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Just watched concord carpenters video, he didn’t really have much problems with it, I wonder if there’s a bad batch out there, Dan and Eric had problems.
Jimbo
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I don’t know what to think at this point. I know Milwaukee makes really quality tools is what is surprising if they are truly having troubles with these nailers. I guess it happens sometimes even to the best brands. I’m sure they will get it dialed in.
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So it builds up a head of air first thing so it’s ready just like a pneumatic air gun?
KnarlyCarl wrote:
4 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:So it builds up a head of air first thing so it’s ready just like a pneumatic air gun?
I read somewhere that it uses a nitrogen gas spring. Essentially the same thing but in a self-contained unit milwaukee sources for these guns.
Looks like they are si,ilar to the SENCO nitrogen filled guns.
https://www.canadianwoodworking.com/senco-fusion-f-18-cordless-finish-nailer
Senco has a lifespan on the cartridge as stated in that article. I’m wondering if Milwaukee is similar tech.
I saw a cabinet guy using the Senco and it performed well. I hope Milwaukee ends up the same.
Milwaukee had problems with the clamps on the M18 stand light. They fixed it with a redesigned clamp fairly quickly. Hopefully they do the same with these guns.
Although if you’re expecting a cordless tool to be lighter than a pneumatic one, that will never happen.
This has been an interesting week.. Monday morning I received a call from Thyssen at Milwaukee tool. You’d recognize him from the 2014 7 1/4 circular saw and 2015 superhawg symposium events.
We discussed some of my issues over the phone and he really took the time to understand some of my concerns and went above and beyond that!
Today he came out to one of my jobs were we are finishing a basement and remodeling the kitchen… We talked tools and he really gave me a better understanding of how these new nailers worked and the engineering behind them.
Took a few pictures on how we use the rest of the m18 family of tools and lighting on a daily basis, and really valued my opinions and input on future products.
All in all Milwaukees tools and dedication to the trades is enough to keep me a customer for life .
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Renner_construction wrote:
This has been an interesting week.. Monday morning I received a call from Thyssen at Milwaukee tool. You’d recognize him from the 2014 7 1/4 circular saw and 2015 superhawg symposium events.We discussed some of my issues over the phone and he really took the time to understand some of my concerns and went above and beyond that!
Today he came out to one of my jobs were we are finishing a basement and remodeling the kitchen… We talked tools and he really gave me a better understanding of how these new nailers worked and the engineering behind them.
Took a few pictures on how we use the rest of the m18 family of tools and lighting on a daily basis, and really valued my opinions and input on future products.
All in all Milwaukees tools and dedication to the trades is enough to keep me a customer for life .
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That’s great to hear
rocket1420 wrote:
Milwaukee had problems with the clamps on the M18 stand light. They fixed it with a redesigned clamp fairly quickly. Hopefully they do the same with these guns.
Although if you’re expecting a cordless tool to be lighter than a pneumatic one, that will never happen.
The clamp on my stand light broke within a month of getting it and really only having used it once. I’ve got the shipping label printed out to send it back, but I can’t for the life of me find a box big enough to pack it up. I’m going to have to make a franken box out of smaller boxes so I can send it back.
Anyone else get one? I can only get preorders right now so dying to try one out.
Glassey got one, he loves it.
Jimbo
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I really want to know how this compares with senco’s fusion nailer. It’s been out for what….4-5 years by now, so they would have fixed any issues by now? Similar issues that Milwaukee faces now. .
Also doesn’t seem like that great of technology when senco has had it for a number of years already
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Watching reviews of the brad nailer has me extremely skeptical. Especially in comparison to the Ryobi (from the same parent company no less). I have a trim project coming up and was looking for a reason to stay in the M18 family but when the bare Fuel is $400 CAD and the Ryobi, battery and charger is $250 and the cheaper option outperforms…well sorry big Red.
That is disappointing to hear… So far I don’t need to lop off the hose but I had high hopes for the fuel nailers.
Jimbo
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It’s very surprising to me that Milwaukee could be that far off the mark with this one. Especially since it appears to be similar to the Senco, as mentioned above, and the 15 gauge finishing gun kit is $329. No framing gun is also a huge disappointment. I got tired of waiting on the framing gun and picked up the yellow today. Might end up going with the Senco, although I might hold off until my Milwaukee rep gets his demo display in.
Especially when they tout “no ramp up time”. What takes longer, ramping up for 2 seconds, or waiting for your overheated tool to cool off? The innovation this time is disrupting your work flow. Took the longest to get to market so they could “get it right”. Imagine what wrong would have looked like.
This is a good watch guys about the nailers
Jimbo
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Probably just soms bugs in a new model that needs to be ironed out. It happens 🙂
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Especially when they tout “no ramp up time”. What takes longer, ramping up for 2 seconds, or waiting for your overheated tool to cool off? The innovation this time is disrupting your work flow. Took the longest to get to market so they could “get it right”. Imagine what wrong would have looked like.
Do you expect to run enough consecutive nails in for it to overheat tho?
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The real problem is not working at angles, not sinking some nails fully, and all the things that seem to have carried over from Milwaukee’s ancient air nailers.
KnarlyCarl wrote:
8 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:Do you expect to run enough consecutive nails in for it to overheat tho?
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I don’t care if I would run into it or not, the idea that the product is only 5% more capability than I need versus getting something for cheaper that is 500% more capability than I need is the real issue.
I believe even Rob Robillard managed to overheat it multiple times w his “real world” test if I remember it correctly.
As mentioned, angle shots and nails not sinking properly are also disappointing.
I would equate this to buying a pickup to pull a 5000lb trailer. Milwaukee is selling a half ton that can do the job, but everyone else is selling a 3/4 ton diesel for cheaper.
jeffmcmillan wrote:
I’m probably a finish nailer’s worst nightmare and probably still wouldn’t overheat that tool in normal use.
The real problem is not working at angles, not sinking some nails fully, and all the things that seem to have carried over from Milwaukee’s ancient air nailers.
Yes, it does appear extremely inconsistent between users. Fortunately I’m in the line of work that doesn’t need to worry about making the decision of getting one or not, I just wished there could have been some serious progress in such technology but it appears not to be the case. The allusive perfect cordless gas free nailer….
A new name for me that is really looking promising is Grex, although it uses gas canisters, the usual issues with that type aren’t present, including no maintenance, no expired gas canisters, quite small and lightweight, very cool looking little nailers
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Bremon wrote:
8 hours ago, Bremon said:I believe even Rob Robillard managed to overheat it multiple times w his “real world” test if I remember it correctly.
I just went back to the video and he does mention putting it into overload several times. It was glossed over so quickly I missed it. If that fire rate isn’t sustainable the nailer is pretty useless for a lot of people. It completely offsets the advantage of no ramp up if you have to stop work to let the nailer cool down.