AVE tears down Stealth Force

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JimboS1iceMember since Sep 2015

http://youtu.be/ZTqMGo-AxVc

Interesting to finally see inside this thing

Jimbo

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John GlasseyMember since Jan 2014

I like how he says the hydraulic pump won’t last, because of cavitation? Hmm interesting. I wonder if that is the noise that some have reported hearing? Jimbo thoughts??

HiltiWpgMember since Sep 2015

That theory makes sense, but I am sure it is engineered to last a few years under moderate to heavy use. Given the price point and that it is marketed as a high end homeowner brand, I am sure it will be fine for its intended market.

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JimboS1iceMember since Sep 2015

Glasseyi wrote:

I like how he says the hydraulic pump won’t last, because of cavitation? Hmm interesting. I wonder if that is the noise that some have reported hearing? Jimbo thoughts?[emoji848]

Makes perfect sense, listen to the noise when I ran a lag with it, you can hear a popping noise, I’m impressed with the internals of it, makes sense considering the weight of it.

MikeInCtownMember since Mar 2016

This guy is a trip. For the first 5 minutes he just rambles and appears to talk out his rear. Like how he says milwaukee, ridgid, and ryobi are all the same thing simply because the parent company s the same. That’s like saying a cobalt is the same as an escalade because gm produces both. (His statements on warranty issues are a bit off as well. All one needs to do is read the info)

 

He also makes assumptions about the lifespan of the unit based on a guess and no real knowledge of the viscosity or type of fluid or for example how well the heatsink works. Everything he claimed is a guess based on what he has experienced with other companies, not off any real experience with this brand.

HiltiWpgMember since Sep 2015

MikeInCtown wrote:

This guy is a trip. For the first 5 minutes he just rambles and appears to talk out his rear. Like how he says milwaukee, ridgid, and ryobi are all the same thing simply because the parent company s the same. That’s like saying a cobalt is the same as an escalade because gm produces both. (His statements on warranty issues are a bit off as well. All one needs to do is read the info)

 

He also makes assumptions about the lifespan of the unit based on a guess and no real knowledge of the viscosity or type of fluid or for example how well the heating works. Everything he claimed is a guess based on what he has experienced with other companies, not off any real experience with this brand.

He isn’t far off. I have already posted some AES (Ridgid)stuff that is identical to Milwaukee M12 and M18 fuel. A lot of it is just different marketing.

Ridgid doesn’t bring in the full AES line, too bad. I would love to see the full brushless line at HD.

There are quite a few tools that debut as AES before being rebranded as Milwaukee.

JimboS1iceMember since Sep 2015

MikeInCtown wrote:

This guy is a trip. For the first 5 minutes he just rambles and appears to talk out his rear. Like how he says milwaukee, ridgid, and ryobi are all the same thing simply because the parent company s the same. That’s like saying a cobalt is the same as an escalade because gm produces both. (His statements on warranty issues are a bit off as well. All one needs to do is read the info)

 

He also makes assumptions about the lifespan of the unit based on a guess and no real knowledge of the viscosity or type of fluid or for example how well the heatsink works. Everything he claimed is a guess based on what he has experienced with other companies, not off any real experience with this brand.

Once you get past his garbling and disgruntledness he’s interesting to watch, I can’t sit and watch more than a few videos in a row but he k led his stuff even though he flaunts it with fancy words, at first I couldn’t stand him but I’ve time I’ve gotten used to his stuff and every now and again I’ll give it a watch, we on here have been waiting a while for him to break this thing down, he can piss you off after a while though lol.

MikeInCtownMember since Mar 2016

For me the most important part of everything was spilled out all over his workbench. It is the liquid that enables the proper operation. Is it silicone, or some other low or high weight oil? Also, the cavitation is normally the formation of air bubbles because of the pressures. For all we know this is injected in a vacuum area and then the assembly is sealed, so there is zero air in there. There just isn’t enough evidence to know if any of his theories have any truth in them at all.

StercorariusMember since Dec 2015

My guess would be a lower viscosity hydraulic fluid with specialty wear additives. Something closer to brake fluid.

KnarlyCarlMember since Jan 2016

I found this one interesting to watch, all rambling aside, because of the design of the impact, of course. I have always been curious to know what the operations were like, and I figured it would be like a hydraulic pump inside. And also, I imagine it would have to get a ton of use before the cavitation sets in, if his assumption is right, and for a user to notice it. At least he did acknowledge the good quality when he sees it. And yes, it does strain me to watch many of his videos. This one seemed he forgot where his camera view was and it was out of focus a lot, made it all that more difficult to watch…

HiltiWpgMember since Sep 2015

JimboS1ice wrote:

Once you get past his garbling and disgruntledness he’s interesting to watch, I can’t sit and watch more than a few videos in a row but he k led his stuff even though he flaunts it with fancy words, at first I couldn’t stand him but I’ve time I’ve gotten used to his stuff and every now and again I’ll give it a watch, we on here have been waiting a while for him to break this thing down, he can piss you off after a while though lol.

I hear ya. I tune most of it out.

His earlier videos weren’t as forced. The gimmick worked but now he is laying it on too thick. I hope for his sake that he tones it down. He does do good reviews, but the Schtick is getting in the way. Its just not funny when it’s so forced.

DR99Member since Nov 2012

I think the problem is he used to put out really informative videos now its just kind of a I hate everything if it isn’t milled out of 10 pounds of Swedish steel.

RickyMcGrathMember since Oct 2014

I like his vids. I think it’s because of his lack of PC. in today’s world, it’s nice to watch someone that tells what they really think. He doesn’t have to worry about sponsorships or advertisers.

Wait…. He’s kind of like Trump. [emoji848]

MikeInCtownMember since Mar 2016

RickyMcGrath wrote:

17 minutes ago, RickyMcGrath said:

I like his vids. I think it’s because of his lack of PC. in today’s world, it’s nice to watch someone that tells what they really think. He doesn’t have to worry about sponsorships or advertisers.

Wait…. He’s kind of like Trump. emoji848.png

 

Actually he comes across (to me) as one of thse people who are very smart but think they know way more than they really do. As though all of their assumptions are accurate because well they knew it was this way or that way at some given point, so everything gets compartmented as always being a certain way.

RickyMcGrathMember since Oct 2014

MikeInCtown wrote:

 

Actually he comes across (to me) as one of thse people who are very smart but think they know way more than they really do. As though all of their assumptions are accurate because well they knew it was this way or that way at some given point, so everything gets compartmented as always being a certain way.

Isn’t that most males? [emoji6]

Mondo1310Member since Jun 2015

Let me guess he hates this cheap poorly made China tool? 

KnarlyCarlMember since Jan 2016

Mondo1310 wrote:

Let me guess he hates this cheap poorly made China tool? 

Yup, he threw in the towel on this one

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Mondo1310Member since Jun 2015

KnarlyCarl wrote:

2 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:

Yup, he threw in the towel on this one

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Didn’t see that coming. 

Gharddog03Member since Feb 2016

Dude ruined a 200$ tool. 

JimboS1iceMember since Sep 2015

thats all he does lol and if he can’t put it together he calls it garbage

DR99Member since Nov 2012

I would have a little more faith in his “reviews” if he used the tool before he took it apart and put it back together. Lets be honest he is taking things apart way farther than most repairs would ever entail.

itchyspannerMember since Apr 2014

filtering out the faff he does give you an idea of what your getting quality wise inside different tools. When your deciding on a tool and you know one make has poor switches in the tool or another had better quality plastic its all good info in my eyes.

 

Hugh JassMember since Feb 2015

MikeInCtown wrote:

On 4/4/2016 at 4:17 PM, MikeInCtown said:

 

Actually he comes across (to me) as one of thse people who are very smart but think they know way more than they really do. As though all of their assumptions are accurate because well they knew it was this way or that way at some given point, so everything gets compartmented as always being a certain way.

 

I could say the same thing about you. Does it make it true? He has proven a pretty decent base of knowledge among a long list of topics and materials down to a molecular level, with spouts of opinion amongst the spread of information. What exactly gives you inclination to disprove anything he’s claiming? Your opinion? Sounds familiar. Find me a review on anything that doesn’t contain opinion. You can’t, because that’s what a review is by definition. 

 

Do I like him? No. But I don’t like anyone aside from a handful of people so it’s not hard to put him in that category. But I watch his reviews once in awhile when they pop up on the forum. I’m a Dewalt guy and he almost never reviews them so the relevance to me is minimal. 

MikeInCtownMember since Mar 2016

Hugh Jass wrote:

2 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

 

I could say the same thing about you. Does it make it true? He has proven a pretty decent base of knowledge among a long list of topics and materials down to a molecular level, with spouts of opinion amongst the spread of information. What exactly gives you inclination to disprove anything he’s claiming? Your opinion? Sounds familiar. Find me a review on anything that doesn’t contain opinion. You can’t, because that’s what a review is by definition. 

 

 

 

First, the way he presents his material is that it is fact. Second, I have seen two of his videos that have been linked on the forum here. One was a Ryobi nail gun that he broke by taking it apart, couldn’t put it back together right, then basically called it junk. The other was this video. So my proof is his own words on video. He tore the thing apart, then made assumptions based on previous experience even though he has zero knowledge of the exact material used, nor does he have knowledge of the exact liquid used. IIRC he based his entire “THIS WILL HAPPEN” theory on what he has experienced with a diesel engine or equipment. Now, what he claimed will happen may or may not happen with the tool, but we don’t know that and neither does he, even though he said it would.

 

And a review may be opinion or it may be factual. (or both) It really depends on how it is presented. If I say here are the specs and this is what you get, then it is 100% fact. If I say I think something feels one way or another then it is opinion. If I show a drill drilling 100 holes and I say it can drill 100 holes then it is not an opinion. But since his relevance to you is minimal, do I need to go on?

Hugh JassMember since Feb 2015

Anything that can be made, can fail. I could do a review pulling apart a drill, observing and determining all components are good except the trigger which is an inferior component. It’s perfectly logical for me to say “I can guarantee that this trigger is the weak point and is going to be the first part to fail because it’s junk in an otherwise great tool”, because it will. And that is a FACT. But it’s also my opinion because something else could and will inevitably fail as well and my opinion is based on prediction. Catch my point? It’s a perspective arguement. You’ve chosen to look at it a certain way, doesn’t make it right or wrong…that’s your opinion. 

KnarlyCarlMember since Jan 2016

“Keep your stick on the ice” 

pancingMember since Jul 2016

The dude’s funny about how he talks about tools and things, its like an old timer talking about “How things used to be made to last but CHINA! its all clinton’s fault!” some of his shit you can take seriously but others you take with a grain or two of sand or sand. I mean, most tools nowadays are junk, most “things” are junk they’re not made to last, because you can’t make more money off the same person if it never breaks. I came across some of my friends arguing about a festool track saw and a makita one, each mouthing off about how great it his was or how much better it was, the festool owner said something about having to replace his makita every 5 years or so and makita responded with “Well, things break eventually and if it doesn’t what do you do? raise prices for your product.” Which didn’t really make sense at the time but when I read about the festool prices increasing year by year it clicked somewhat.

You are the influencer. Post it to 4.4 million followers.

Hit record. We’ll handle the rest.

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