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Watch it. Like it very much. Will have to buy a set of Irwin’s
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Watch it. Like it very much. Will have to buy a set of Erwin’s
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They are nice, I was amazed how the milwaukee runs them like butter, my dewalt (3 speed) struggles on high speed though with it, you have to run it on 1 or 2… the larger sizes that is.
I like the looks of those Irwin bits, may have to try a set of those.
I use daredevil have had for a few years I first used on a remodel at my in laws I sware by them but thanks jimbo now I’ll have to go get a set of speedbores. I’ll be running some electric wire at a cousins add on and try them out will use 3/4″ or 7/8″ I’ll try to compare. Nice video jimbo thanks keep up the good work.
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I’m just the opposite, have always used speedbor. Daredevil has advantages, it seems like they would be easier to sharpen with a file to finish the job, and extend their life, im always going thru wood that has hidden nails in it and have to sharpen them up again. With the Bosch, it’s only two points to sharpen and looks like it would be easier to do as well having one less to get in the way when I sharpen ittonylandin wrote:
I use daredevil have had for a few years I first used on a remodel at my in laws I aware by them but thanks jimbo now I’ll have to go get a set of speedbores il be running some electric wire at a cousins add on and try them out will use 3/4″ or 7/8″ I’ll try to compare. Nice video jimbo thanks keep up the good work.
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If you want less sharpening, I’d recommend the way harder, Irwin groove power.
I have both bosch, blue groove and the little borther speedbore, and the groove power
Even goes through nails. But not screws! Damaged one of mine and tried sharpening with file. You could really feel the steel tips being a lot harder.
The hardened part is indicated.
Andrull wrote:
If you want less sharpening, I’d recommend the way harder, Irwin groove power.
I have both bosch, blue groove and the little borther speedbore, and the groove power
Even goes through nails. But not screws! Damaged one of mine and tried sharpening with file. You could really feel the steel tips being a lot harder.
The hardened part is indicated.
Im assuming that thats the Europe version of the speed bores?
Great video makes me want to go buy those irwins
Jimbos so good at doing that to us Logan! 😉
“In 1885, Charles Irwin patented the Auger bit and, along with four business partners, formed the IRWIN Auger Bit Company in Ohio, USA. Over 125 years later, IRWIN is still the leading manufacturer of wood drilling bits and accessories. “
Huh didn’t even realize this, been here in Ohio 10 years and still learning about these things here and there.
Yeah these bits appear to be the same as the speedbor
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KnarlyCarl wrote:
“In 1885, Charles Irwin patented the Auger bit and, along with four business partners, formed the IRWIN Auger Bit Company in Ohio, USA. Over 125 years later, IRWIN is still the leading manufacturer of wood drilling bits and accessories. “
Huh didn’t even realize this, been here in Ohio 10 years and still learning about these things here and there.
Yeah these bits appear to be the same as the speedbor
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Nice tid bit of history.
Jimbos1ice wrote:
Im assuming that thats the Europe version of the speed bores?
Dunno what you guys over seas got in your warehouses, but the two of them is not just similar versions. Becouse there is ton of difference on the silver (“power) ones, and the blue ones. (I have both)
And here in europe, they sell them side by side. The silver, of course being the most expensive, and the blue being the cheap.
The blue ones is just as quick, have 1/4″ hex and might have a little bit less of tearout, but have a soft cutting edge, just as most other spade/wood bits.
The silvery ones, with the grey tip are of much harder steel (or hardened a lot more). And uses a more powerfull 3/8″ HEX shank (exception being the 14mm). But since it is made to not break down on nails, it doesn’t have the “side-cutters” that cuts the back surface of the wood when exiting, making it have a little more tear-out. But all in all, it may save you some dollar in the long run, if you are drilling a lot of holes. 🙂
But be carefull of screws, that gives them a real beating. GIven that they are hardened too. Not buttersoft like nails. 🙂
Edit: I remember that my semi-cheap tin-coated spade bits died completly trying to cut through 1mm of alu… Was a bit surpriced.
Great video Jimbo. That gen2 has amazing power. Irwin for the win!!
Great video man. I’m interested to see how the Milwauke self-feeding wood boring bits stack up.
Never seen those over here I’m going to have to keep my eye out for them
Jimbo
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I’ve used them before and was pretty impressed with them. They are on the pricey side of things though.
Thanks for this info, I’ll look into those hardened larger shaft ones you provided a link forAndrull wrote:
Dunno what you guys over seas got in your warehouses, but the two of them is not just similar versions. Becouse there is ton of difference on the silver (“power) ones, and the blue ones. (I have both)
And here in europe, they sell them side by side. The silver, of course being the most expensive, and the blue being the cheap.
The blue ones is just as quick, have 1/4″ hex and might have a little bit less of tearout, but have a soft cutting edge, just as most other spade/wood bits.
The silvery ones, with the grey tip are of much harder steel (or hardened a lot more). And uses a more powerfull 3/8″ HEX shank (exception being the 14mm). But since it is made to not break down on nails, it doesn’t have the “side-cutters” that cuts the back surface of the wood when exiting, making it have a little more tear-out. But all in all, it may save you some dollar in the long run, if you are drilling a lot of holes. 🙂
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But be carefull of screws, that gives them a real beating. GIven that they are hardened too. Not buttersoft like nails. 🙂
Edit: I remember that my semi-cheap tin-coated spade bits died completly trying to cut through 1mm of alu… Was a bit surpriced.
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I can’t find those hardened speedbor max bits anywhere here in the states. Closest I found was Sears and there’s no way im paying that much.
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Seems like they are a bit harder to find in stock in us. Not sure how expensive it will be buying from amazon.com or ebay?:
Thanks man I’m going to look into that, I was attempting to locate a store that might have them here but I think we’ve established that they’re just not available without shipping over seas.Andrull wrote:
Seems like they are a bit harder to find in stock in us. Not sure how expensive it will be buying from amazon.com or ebay?:
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I would still take the daredevil bits over speedbor. I’ve seen ~15 piece sets of the daredevil bits at home depot for $10, but the best I can find for speedbor is six bits for $20 and you have to buy the other sizes individually. The speedbor bits are pushing the price of an auger bit but the performance isn’t there. I’ve used the daredevil auger bits which are about the same price as speedbor and they can even take some screw hits not just nail hits. A much better deal imo.
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I would still take the daredevil bits over speedbor. I’ve seen ~15 piece sets of the daredevil bits at home depot for $10, but the best I can find for speedbor is six bits for $20 and you have to buy the other sizes individually. The speedbor bits are pushing the price of an auger bit but the performance isn’t there. I’ve used the daredevil auger bits which are about the same price as speedbor and they can even take some screw hits not just nail hits. A much better deal imo.
I agree the Bosch are way cheaper than speed bores, although I did chew threw some light gauge steel no problem by accident with the speed bore, if I was running all day, grab the Bosch, cheaper to replace, easier on the drill, if your drill is lower power it’s hard to control the speed bores sometimes, especially harder words, the speed bores IMO are over priced, I got them as a gift, just crazy to pay 30 bucks for them and only getting 6
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Like the lawnmower starter! lol!!
Nice video protool!
PROTOOLNUT wrote:
1 minute ago, PROTOOLNUT said:Thanks! That was my first video I ever made for TIA. And since it was also my first time using and testing the Milwaukee 2604 drill, I knew that I had to do a good job making the video. And since we have new members like yourself, and are now on a new website, I thought it was a good idea to bring my video back to the attention of the forum. I have several video’s on Veoh, so have fun watching them all. You understand when that Bosch 1 – 1/2 inch Spade Dardevil bit went through that 2 by 4 in speed 2 in less then 3 seconds, I was like, holy shit! 😛
Had the same reaction when I started messing with the 2704, crazy amount of torque dude! Could you imagine the purple nurples you could give?
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1 minute ago, PROTOOLNUT said:Yes, I can imagine quite a lot. BTW, I love your new avatar! You kind of had to change it cause your old one was too blurry on this site. Plus, your new one of Mr Murray is a welcome change. Just remember Jimbo, if your ever in Punxatony, for the love of goodness sake, stay away from that hotel, its curssed! And if you ever hear the words, chapped lips, its cold out there, and get your booties on, you just might have stumbled into a time paradox, in which case, I told you to stay away from that hotel. And if the lady asks you there what your chances of departure are, tell her 0%.
Yea it didn’t like the twitter import, but I figured new forum? new picture!
The daredevil bits certainly is a lot cheaper. And it is an very efficient design, in several ways. But I still prefer the speedbores. It’s just like they ofer a more “refined” drilling/more control. Like an auger. So it is kind of a different ball game with auger-like bits and the much lighter, smaller and cheaper inherent design of the flat bits.
My brother, in the electrical trades, throws away all his daredevil bits and most augers for each house he installs the wiring in. I would be certain that he could use an harder and better bit would see more than one use. So I’m not sure if it really is more affordable in the end. It might, or it might not. But certainly feels better, and gives a little neater finish. 🙂
Like pro tool said, not a lot of drills can run them speed bores or augers real easy…
The way I see it is I’m not going to pay for or carry around a full set of auger bits. I have the augers for sizes I use frequently and use daredevils for the rest. The daredevils are a spade bit replacement, not an auger replacement like the speedbor. From the couple times I’ve used them speedbor bits seemed harder on the drills than augers because they have three flutes instead of two.
It might smoke the poor 10,8V EC bosch drill. It doesn’t seem to have any (good) cutout.
Any powerfull drill, like my makita (or MW fuel), would eat it for dinner. Even in second gear, 1/2″ wouldn’t bother it. And my augers (not including the speedbores) is not especially more demanding than the daredevils. But they are slower. The speedbores are more demanding, and is as quick, but has more controll. And why buy powerfull drills if you use it with only very easy tasks? The corded drill’s really isn’t any more powerfull. 650 W VS 710W difference, but since it doesn’t have gears, it’s torque is a lot less. Making the motor strugle much more. Since it either will run at a higher power than rated, or just have less power.
Also, drills in that high-end class all have a pretty agressive cutout if the current/torque goes too high. 🙂
Probably the worst things to do to my drills is using them with thick steel 316 SS plates and a step drill bit. Running it at 1/5 of max speed in first gear. That would give it little cooling, and high amp-draw. You can feel the heat, and a bit smell that it has been hard at work. With augers, I run it at max speed at 2. cond gear. Won’t even get the time to heat up. Large augers at full speed in 1. gear.
So I’m just saying, the daredevils are very good spade bits/flat bits, but not a replacer for augers/speedbores. And use them for more awkward sizes you don’t use every day is also somthing I myself do.
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Because some people have smoked their drills in the past, that is why Milwaukee chose to put a kickoff circuit into their drills. If you push the drill too far, the power will kick off to prevent you from damaging the drill. Now of course this is a bit of an inconvenience because it means the drill will kickoff on you if your not careful. But when you consider the cost you pay for these tools, I like having the piece of mind knowing that I am not going to smoke the thing accidentally.In my video you can see my drill kicking off the power when I was trying to drive a 5″ holesaw through wood in speed 2, but it did it fine in speed 1.
That’s the benefit of brushless motors and their electronics that they seem to use their e-clutch, especially the Dewalt I love that drill, to prevent the drill from smoking out under high load.
Jimbo
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i bought a couple of the speed bores individually since i dont often have to make big holes like that, enjoyed them very much. The daredevil spades look good too, kind of like what id imagine Batman would use.
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Daredevils are the shit, if you experience what I experienced with the, you will fall in love with them. [emoji6]
Did they come to you in a cone of bright white light shining down from up above.
Jimbo
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It came to me too… Except it was a drill and a red light and had an evil manipulative laugh…
Jimbo
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Lol great movie
Jimbo
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