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Here are two youtube reviews on the XSL02Z, All I can say is that I am definitely getting this saw.
Hey I was just watching concord carpenters one, literally 5 minutes ago. 422 cuts out of 2x4s. Just keep a sharp blade on! I never saw a saw with double sliding rails lie this, but then again, but exactly my line of work
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*Not exactly my line of work
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Thats a nice looking saw, Would Love to see a tool fight against the Dewalt cordless miter… Let’s GO TIA,, TOOL FIGHT!!!!!
Excellent. 🙂
Do miss a good laser pointer. They laser on my cheaper green bosch mitter is not good enough to be used. Anyone know of something thats actually good, and can be fittet on a blade?
Missing LED light is an easy fix though. 🙂
Just an FYI Real Tool Reviews content is not allowed on the TIA forum he bad mouthed the crew plus Dan and Eric. http://professional-power-tool-guide.com/power-tool-forum/index.php?/topic/7495-rule-update/This post Explains the issue direct from Dan
I know you knew Marvcv76 and didn’t know the the no Real Tool Reviews on the forum.
I too saw the reviews on the Makita, and believe me I’m a big fan of the 2-18v battery tool lineup. I have the sds+ hammer drill. And I love it. But I have to say after seeing the Metabo 8 1/4 cordless miter saw. It’s hard to say which one I’ll get!
MikeyB wrote:
Thats a nice looking saw, Would Love to see a tool fight against the Dewalt cordless miter… Let’s GO TIA,, TOOL FIGHT!!!!!
Sorry Mikey, et al, “An Error Occured; You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day
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I guess I can no longer be positive today, so here’s my verbal thumbs up!
I honestly forgot about the tool posting rule about the reviewer we arent supposed to talk about. I just saw both of the reviews on my YouTube feed and just wanted to share.
looks alot better than the dewalt performance wise, which is hard to say cus the dewalt is so good. shame its not got a version of a xps light.
Marcv76 wrote:
I honestly forgot about the tool posting rule about the reviewer we arent supposed to talk about. I just saw both of the reviews on my YouTube feed and just wanted to share.
Not a problem.
With that power and runtime that’s easily a full time job for some people 🙂
Stupid they didnt add a light and a laser tho.
Take that junk Makita blade off and throw on a Diablo and get another ~50 cuts out of it.
Whenever you buy a circular saw…
Step 1: unbox it
Step 2: remove the factory blade
Step 3: proceed to throw as a frisbee
Step 4: if step 3 commits a crime, run, if not proceed to step 5
Step 5: put in a bright red Diablo blade
Step 6: cut the shit out of everything
Jimbo
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Actually makita saws are the exception there. They ship with blades around half the price of the saw and far better than the equivalent diablo blade. Some comparisons of their brushless circular saw show a big performance drop when tested with a diablo blade as opposed to oem. Thats a really expensive frisbee.
I think in toolboxbuzz mitre saw comparison from a few months ago they also mentioned that Makita packs their saws with a very decent blade standard.
Not that strange since Makita circular blades come from thesame italian Factory thats owned by Bosch ( and thus diablo…. )
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kornomaniac wrote:
I think in toolboxbuzz mitre saw comparison from a few months ago they also mentioned that Makita packs their saws with a very decent blade standard.
Not that strange since Makita circular blades come from thesame italian Factory thats owned by Bosch ( and thus diablo…. )
That’s surprising as the stock OEM blade is usually awful 🙂
I think unlike most other oems makita has a pretty good business selling high quality blades and grinding wheels so they can’t put crap in the box so customers can get the saw cutting ASAP without hurting their reputation. Only real die hard DeWalt and Milwaukee junkies buy their preferred brand’s blades in spite of better offerings out there.
My experience couldn’t be more different. I’ve tried 4 Makita blades sold at my local store (sells nearly exclusively Makita so not many other options there) and all of them had the worst performance of any blade I’ve tried, worse than Dewalt, Oldham, Marathon, Irwin…
I tried their Black, Silver and two Gold blades. The quality of the cut was okay but they had the highest resistance I’ve ever felt out of my Skilsaw wormdrive. After a day of cutting I was even getting wood burn cutting brand new PT 2×6 for decking.
If anyone is interested, I did some quick math between this saw and the Dewalt dcs361. When Concord Carpenter did the Dewalt review he was able to get 173 cuts out of one 4ah battery, which equals to 43.2 cuts per amp hour. This Makita saw gets 42.2 cuts per amp hour (x10) because you burn 2 batteries down at the same time. So everything being equal they are virtually even, with the slight edge being given to the Dewalt, being able to cut 432 cuts on two 5ah batteries.
The Makita has a better cross cut capacity and slightly better dust collection, but the Dewalt seems to have better detent operation and the XPS lighting system. So in short I’m still confused on which saw is better. Its nice that there are 2 good cordless saws to picks from now. Soon we will see how Milwaukee responds and I heard that summertime will be the release of Dewalts 10″ cordless miter saw.
Marcv76 wrote:
If anyone is interested, I did some quick math between this saw and the Dewalt dcs361. When Concord Carpenter did the Dewalt review he was able to get 173 cuts out of one 4ah battery, which equals to 43.2 cuts per amp hour. This Makita saw gets 42.2 cuts per amp hour (x10) because you burn 2 batteries down at the same time. So everything being equal they are virtually even, with the slight edge being given to the Dewalt, being able to cut 432 cuts on two 5ah batteries.
The Makita has a better cross cut capacity and slightly better dust collection, but the Dewalt seems to have better detent operation and the XPS lighting system. So in short I’m still confused on which saw is better. Its nice that there are 2 good cordless saws to picks from now. Soon we will see how Milwaukee responds and I heard that summertime will be the release of Dewalts 10″ cordless miter saw.
Is it a matter of better or what fits your needs…
Do you have Makita or Dewalt?
Say you have neither one and the saws are basically equal, where are your costs? Dewalt is 399 and I think you can get a combo with a 3.0, but for matter of argument say you can’t. So I don’t know the cost of the Makita off the top of my head but a believe a 2 pack of 3.0 Makita packs is 129, where 2 4.0 dewalts are 129. The Makita you need to have both packs in where Dewalt you can charge one while using.
If you have Makita it would be silly to buy the Dewalt and vise versa… If you have neither look at what will cost you more as seeing the saws are pretty much equal.
Besides you M18 guys out there in sure a Fuel miterzall is around the corner!
Or you can go screw the pooch and grab a metabo!
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I actually have some 20V tools because their ergonomics fit my hands nicely, but I’m not so deep into them that I cant switch brands. Ultimately I wish I could find one tool brand that had all the tools I want so I only needed one type of battery. What I’m finding out is that every brand has their best in class tools and you need multiple platforms if that’s what your goal is. Someone needs to make a universal battery connector, that’s the billion dollar idea.
Yeah the dual batteries vs one plus one on the charger makes it less of an advantage but if the Makita might be more powerful and torquey from the 36v making for better cutting in harder woods. That and the fact that makita chargers are pretty darn fast…
Marcv76 wrote:
I actually have some 20V tools because their ergonomics fit my hands nicely, but I’m not so deep into them that I cant switch brands. Ultimately I wish I could find one tool brand that had all the tools I want so I only needed one type of battery. What I’m finding out is that every brand has their best in class tools and you need multiple platforms if that’s what your goal is. Someone needs to make a universal battery connector, that’s the billion dollar idea.
Connectors are easy, the controller chips are the difficult part. Lithium batteries are tool makers dreams, they lock the batteries down good and tight because they need to be monitored and controlled during charging and use. Makita even has their own batteries that aren’t completely compatible with all tools, the yellow star and platinum plate things I think, with some tools too I think and they make all the the pieces.
Marcv76 wrote:
If anyone is interested, I did some quick math between this saw and the Dewalt dcs361. When Concord Carpenter did the Dewalt review he was able to get 173 cuts out of one 4ah battery, which equals to 43.2 cuts per amp hour. This Makita saw gets 42.2 cuts per amp hour (x10) because you burn 2 batteries down at the same time. So everything being equal they are virtually even, with the slight edge being given to the Dewalt, being able to cut 432 cuts on two 5ah batteries.
The Makita has a better cross cut capacity and slightly better dust collection, but the Dewalt seems to have better detent operation and the XPS lighting system. So in short I’m still confused on which saw is better. Its nice that there are 2 good cordless saws to picks from now. Soon we will see how Milwaukee responds and I heard that summertime will be the release of Dewalts 10″ cordless miter saw.
Runtime isnt the only argument tho. The Makita vastly outpowers and out -RPM’s the Dewalt. It’s a sizeable difference in cross cut capacity. As the reviews have schown the dual rail system is rock on accurate. A brushless motor will also last longer and is maintenance free.
The dewalt seems to be made more as a ‘cordless tool’ . Somewhat slower and less powerfull as a corded tool.
While the Makita is more of a ‘ Corded power without the cord’. Thats what the 36V and brushless motor does.
Basically…. stick with the platform you already have. Like that is always true really 🙂
kornomaniac wrote:
Runtime isnt the only argument tho. The Makita vastly outpowers and out -RPM’s the Dewalt. It’s a sizeable difference in cross cut capacity. As the reviews have schown the dual rail system is rock on accurate. A brushless motor will also last longer and is maintenance free.
The dewalt seems to be made more as a ‘cordless tool’ . Somewhat slower and less powerfull as a corded tool.
While the Makita is more of a ‘ Corded power without the cord’. Thats what the 36V and brushless motor does.
Basically…. stick with the platform you already have. Like that is always true really 🙂
I’ll be holding my judgement for the tool fight. While I agree it should (and better be) more powerful with a BL motor, it’s all marketing and hearsay until they go head to head.
Looks like a great miter saw. Would like to see LED lights and good laser though. At 63 my eyes aren’t as good as they were at 35. Which weren’t as good as they were at 21, etc.
Yes I agree, having and expanding your tool platform is the most economical way to go. But if your like me, and I know most of you are, and have multiple tool brands, this makes it so hard to choose a tool based on looks, you need to use it or have someone review it. That is why we joined this forum. Now for you to make that investment.
The Makita Model # XSL01Z, retails at Home Depot for $561.63 bare tool.
Dewalt Model # DCS361M1 is $399.00, 1- 4.0 20v battery and charger.
And let us not forget the Metabo one Model #: KGS18 LTX 216 6.2AH $549.00 6.2 battery and charger included.
So hard, so hard!!!
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Having some experience with Makitas 18v saws, I’d love to see that Makita in action…I love my chainsaw and jig saw so I wouldn’t mind seeing an x2 SCMS in action!
I would like either one of them but I have to say the dewalt looks so well built I love the base on it and this is coming from someone who has no dewalt tools so I’m not a fan boy !!
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Made this overview if anyone is interested. Correct me on any mistakes !!
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All I picked up on was a 10in cordless miter from Dewalt, is there any merit to this statement? I was thinking of picking up the 7 1/4 but would hold out for the 10
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Don, I was pressing a dewalt rep and they told me that dewalt has designed a 2 battery miter saw that will power a 10 and or 12″ sliding and non sliding saw. The batteries will be a little bigger than the current 20v and will supply the saw with 60v x2 for total of 120v. He said that these same batteries will also work in the current 20v tools because the prongs and electronics will tell them how many Volts to discharge. He said they will be tested in the field by selected people and if all goes well we will see them around summer time. That being said I have no way of verifying this and 6 months in tool company time can mean a year or more in real time.
Glasseyi wrote:
Yes I agree, having and expanding your tool platform is the most economical way to go. But if your like me, and I know most of you are, and have multiple tool brands, this makes it so hard to choose a tool based on looks, you need to use it or have someone review it. That is why we joined this forum. Now for you to make that investment.
The Makita Model # XSL01Z, retails at Home Depot for $561.63 bare tool.
Dewalt Model # DCS361M1 is $399.00, 1- 4.0 20v battery and charger.
And let us not forget the Metabo one Model #: KGS18 LTX 216 6.2AH $549.00 6.2 battery and charger included.
So hard, so hard!!!
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Proved my point I was trying to make just didn’t have all be numbers lol.
Jimbo
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Glasseyi wrote:
Yes I agree, having and expanding your tool platform is the most economical way to go. But if your like me, and I know most of you are, and have multiple tool brands, this makes it so hard to choose a tool based on looks, you need to use it or have someone review it. That is why we joined this forum. Now for you to make that investment.
The Makita Model # XSL01Z, retails at Home Depot for $561.63 bare tool.
Dewalt Model # DCS361M1 is $399.00, 1- 4.0 20v battery and charger.
And let us not forget the Metabo one Model #: KGS18 LTX 216 6.2AH $549.00 6.2 battery and charger included.
So hard, so hard!!!
John, Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Yeah the Metabo looks nice like all their tools. It’s a bigger blade size too right 8″ right? Lots of nice cordless miters out there now…
Marcv76 wrote:
Don, I was pressing a dewalt rep and they told me that dewalt has designed a 2 battery miter saw that will power a 10 and or 12″ sliding and non sliding saw. The batteries will be a little bigger than the current 20v and will supply the saw with 60v x2 for total of 120v. He said that these same batteries will also work in the current 20v tools because the prongs and electronics will tell them how many Volts to discharge. He said they will be tested in the field by selected people and if all goes well we will see them around summer time. That being said I have no way of verifying this and 6 months in tool company time can mean a year or more in real time.
Wow that’d be cool if true. It would make sense they’d really take the cordless miter market seriously considering they practically own the wired market. Still though that’s an awful lot of info from a rep about unreleased product. Seems like they’d go big on announcing stuff so important to them…
kornomaniac wrote:
Made this overview if anyone is interested. Correct me on any mistakes !!
Wow, nice work. Thanks. I thought the Metabo was brushless for some reason. Still a nice saw though, and they seem on top of their battery game…
Kornomaniac, great chart. I saw on a vlog (who will go nameless) that he got 247 2/4 cuts on a 6.2 battery also. That comes out to close to 40 cuts per amp hour. Also just double checking! Are you saying, The Makita comes with 2-5.0 batteries and a dual fast charger as a kit? I just see bare a tool out there. Thanks for that post. More information, the better informed.kornomaniac wrote:
Made this overview if anyone is interested. Correct me on any mistakes !!
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Marcv76 wrote:
Don, I was pressing a dewalt rep and they told me that dewalt has designed a 2 battery miter saw that will power a 10 and or 12″ sliding and non sliding saw. The batteries will be a little bigger than the current 20v and will supply the saw with 60v x2 for total of 120v. He said that these same batteries will also work in the current 20v tools because the prongs and electronics will tell them how many Volts to discharge. He said they will be tested in the field by selected people and if all goes well we will see them around summer time. That being said I have no way of verifying this and 6 months in tool company time can mean a year or more in real time.
I’ll be the first to bite my lip if wrong, but I doubt this pretty much 100%.
Just passing on what was told to me. and I heard similar stuff on two different occasions from two different sources. I guess we will find out in the next year. At the rate Millwaukee is moving I’m pretty confident we will se a cordless dewalt 10″ first.
Remember guys, that higher Amp-hour batteries have a bit higher internal resistance (if we are to belive battery manufacturers and other posts in this forum), which would means they in theory would loose a tad more juice, thats converted into more heat in the battery. So if you are doing a tools comparison, it is recommended to use the same sized batteries, and not converting into cuts per ah-hour, since it will favorise the lower 3ah and 4ah batteries (to a small extent).
Not a huge deal, but if we are to use the comb, we got to take this factor into consideration. 🙂
Andrull wrote:
Remember guys, that higher Amp-hour batteries have a bit higher internal resistance (if we are to belive battery manufacturers and other posts in this forum), which would means they in theory would loose a tad more juice, thats converted into more heat in the battery. So if you are doing a tools comparison, it is recommended to use the same sized batteries, and not converting into cuts per ah-hour, since it will favorise the lower 3ah and 4ah batteries (to a small extent).
Not a huge deal, but if we are to use the comb, we got to take this factor into consideration. 🙂
While that’s the general trend, battery technology is advancing fast enough that I believe newer 2.5Ah and 3Ah cells actually have higher discharge rates than the older 1.5Ah and some older 2Ah cells. It’s all complicated enough you can really only know things by reading the cell datasheet.
Glasseyi wrote:
Kornomaniac, great chart. I saw on a vlog (who will go nameless) that he got 247 2/4 cuts on a 6.2 battery also. That comes out to close to 40 cuts per amp hour. Also just double checking! Are you saying, The Makita comes with 2-5.0 batteries and a dual fast charger as a kit? I just see bare a tool out there. Thanks for that post. More information, the better informed.
Ah ! No that is what the reviewers on AConcordCarpenter and He-who-shall-not-be-named used in their test. So thats what i based my chart on 🙂
In belgium it’s gonna come out as a kit with 5.0 amps and a dual charger tho 😀
More battery talk? Lol you guys kill me with this battery talk, way over my head!
Jimbo
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We dont know what we’re talking about either ! only Andrull really does i think 😛