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If your a Festool fan you might not want to watch!! He isn’t happy about some parts considering the cost.
Oh Jason, say it ain’t so!
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Yeah kinda surprised some of the corners cut. If it was half the cost it wouldn’t have been so bad but still his Hilti tear down was much more impressive to me…
I haven’t seen that one yet. I didn’t care for the guy at first but now I love his videos.JerryNY wrote:
Yeah kinda surprised some of the corners cut. If it was half the cost it wouldn’t have been so bad but still his Hilti tear down was much more impressive to me…
Maybe we should take this link down before ChrisK sees it! [emoji6] [emoji16]
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TAKE IT DOWN I DONT THINK CHRISK COULD HANDLE THIS!!!!!! Lol!
Interesting to say the least. Still you have to compare it to how all the others are built and go from there. No question Festool is way over priced and also no question it is a very good quality tool. But the real question is how can a barrel of oil be at 40 dollars and gas still be at 3.50 a gallon in California? Somethings just don’t add up.
it’s all old school marketing, turn up the heat and offer free salted peanuts…….they will buy the liquids……..
If I open up Pino’s Pepi Diner and offer a spaghetti dinner at $59.00 someone will buy it …… because it must be good at that price……
I am a woodworker, and almost died laughing at his comment “If you enjoy manipulating dead tree carcasses, that’s fine, just don’t ask me to come over and watch gladiator movies” But seriously, Festool is a woodworking “eco-system” like Apple’s eco-system is to computers. Yeah, both can be looked at has over priced, but they have excellent customer service, and they are remarkable at what they do. I don’t own, or plan on owning any Festool products, has I am a DeWalt guy. However, I know a few folks that are invested in the Festool eco-system, and they swear by them. I have tried them out a few times, and they are a joy to use.
-Steven
Gasp…..Cough……Aaaaarrrrrrghhhhhhh……..;)
Undipped windings? I can find some excuse for everything but…that one has me scratching my head.
Ave is overrated like festool.
His videos are entertaining though. He sets unrealistic standards on tools though.
I still want a TS55 Req even after watching this video. It’s still the best track saw you can buy!!
I’ll will have to say AvE is very entertaining and can be a asshole at times but I have watched his channel for about 3 years now. The bottom line is that this is a track saw not a framing saw that is going to be pushed to the max day in and day out.
Good point Regopit. My TS is used for finish work. My Dewalt 20v, Skilsaw and my Makita do the rough stuff. But that’s really the point to the whole system, finish work with dust collection.
as good as the saw may be it is still over priced….
Yeah it ain’t cheap Comp!
Mondo1310 wrote:
Ave is overrated like festool.
LOL – Thats what I say about the Wood Whisper – Everyone thinks he’s gods gift to woodworking. Maybe it’s because he was on a cable show.
To be honest in some aspects I think some of festool tools are worth the ridiculous prices. Like the track saw (even tho the grizzly and Makita would do the same thing) , and the domino jointer but on the other hand they pump there prices simple because of name.
Price difference isn’t much different in here in Ireland. Every brand is over priced here so we only got to fork out an extra 100 or so on festool productsswaglosrevival wrote:
To be honest in some aspects I think some of festool tools are worth the ridiculous prices. Like the track saw (even tho the grizzly and Makita would do the same thing) , and the domino jointer but on the other hand they pump there prices simple because of name.
Bigmikez wrote:
TAKE IT DOWN I DONT THINK CHRISK COULD HANDLE THIS!!!!!! Lol!
hahaha…too funny
I’ve never shopped for a track saw but looking at Amazon here in the US it looks like the Festool track saw runs around $640 and the Dewalt and Makita’s run about $200 less? $640 still ain’t cheap but it’s a far cry from a grand so it’s isn’t quite as bad AVE makes it sound. Still I think it’s just engineering to the task and price because these saws aren’t abused like circular saws probably but AVE hates those types excuses anyway.
Btw did anyone catch the little friendly jab AVE took at Tools in Action’s intro music at the beginning of his Festool tear down? He actually made a comment on the tool fight video about their intro music being like big hair bands and pickles in their leather pants type rock bands or something to that affect. Kinda funny but it’s all in good fun and AVE has lots of viewers and sending him beat up tools to see what failed and repair them for give away is cool.
Ave is Canadian. Our prices suck, as a quick browse on Amazon, Home Depot, etc, will show you.
If he thinks the Festool is expensive he should price the Mafell lol!
I own a lot of green, but also a lot of yellow and a lot of blue. Gotta find what works for you and not worry about if someone else likes it or not.
true, I’m not really a fanboy of any brand. I’m more of a brushless fanboy, I’ve bought all of dewalts brushless tools now moving onto what makita have brushless that dewalt hadntoveranalyze wrote:
If he thinks the Festool is expensive he should price the Mafell lol!
I own a lot of green, but also a lot of yellow and a lot of blue. Gotta find what works for you and not worry about if someone else likes it or not.
Turner85 wrote:
true, I’m not really a fanboy of any brand. I’m more of a brushless fanboy, I’ve bought all of dewalts brushless tools now moving onto what makita have brushless that dewalt hadnt
I’m just shocked that not only isn’t the festool track saw brushless it has dip-less field coils?!? Maybe that’s the new it thing to have… dip-less is better than brushless!!! Jk
overanalyze wrote:
If he thinks the Festool is expensive he should price the Mafell lol!
I own a lot of green, but also a lot of yellow and a lot of blue. Gotta find what works for you and not worry about if someone else likes it or not.
Yes I do have a few festools and one of them is the track saw but most of my tools are Milwaukee then DeWalt. All three of these company’s make good tools but with me it mainly boils down to battery platform. I don’t need a half dozen different battery’s. I’m almost at the point that I have cut the cord totally.
Same here NER and Regopit. I’ve got a lot of green. But…..I’ve also got Makita, Dewalt and Bosch as well as a couple of Milwaukees too. Magellan would be a nice addition but right now my Festools rule the roost but I’ve been using the following tools all weekend in my shop Reno……
Dewalt DCS391 circular saw,
Dewalt DCN692 framer
Ryobi ZRP320 brad nailer
Bosch DDH181X drill and yes…..
Festool CXS (the best drill driver on the market. Period).
Guess my point is the same, I use it if it fits my bill. But the TS55REQ is by far the best track saw on the market. You know unless you want to spend another 5 bones on the Mafell 😉
Despite its flaws, the TS55 is a very nice saw. My opinion (and strictly that) is that Festool both enjoys and suffers from the “Snap-On Effect” wherein someone reasons that because something costs twice as much, it must be twice as good.
I think this video plays unfavorably for Festool though. In most cases Festool doesn’t touch many other tools in regards to specs, so you’re paying a huge premium for vastly superior quality and engineering. If they don’t deliver that vastly superior Q&E, and it doesn’t appear to be VASTLY superior, what are you paying for?
To an extent you at paying to support the ideal that all jobs should pay a fair living wage. It seems to me country of origin can have an even greater effect on price than quality.
I try to keep in mind that AvE works in an industrial environment, complete with absurdly over engineered tools that cost more than my house and special order parts coming in from Grainger by UPS to a jobsite at 9 PM with a driver and runner to make the special delivery. He’s probably often seeing conditions where the nearest service center might be hundreds or thousands of miles away, and poorly engineered tools could cost someone thousands of dollars or more in down time. Through that prism, the Festool doesn’t really look very good. It certainly isn’t built to “industrial” standards.
True but he seemed to like the Hilti he tore down much more and pointed out tons more things that were skookum about the Hilti but seemed to find many things that he thought they dropped the ball on with the festool…
JerryNY wrote:
True but he seemed to like the Hilti he tore down much more and pointed out tons more things that were skookum about the Hilti but seemed to find many things that he thought they dropped the ball on with the festool…
Well, yeah… the Hilti was the better made tool. I have two Hilti combihammers and you’d have to pry them from my dead, lifeless hands.
I like AvE, His Canadian sense of humour is very close to my British sense of humour. Although he’s quite secretive I get the impression he works in mineral extraction. I have worked in the offshore oil and gas industry as well as having worked in the commercial shipping world so our view of tools and how they should work is probably quite similar too.
The bottom line is that the Festool saw he tore down was not a quality machine!
Bushings instead of bearings and less than quality plastics could perhaps be explained away on a tool that was considerably cheaper but for me the real killer blow was the undipped motor windings. That there would have me returning a £10 special from the Ti Nee Cok manufacturing company as not fit for purpose. I’m actually surprised that would even get UL and CE approval for use in the US and Europe?