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Makita isn’t playing games this round. This bad boy gets 1090 inch pounds of torque, that is over 90 ft lbs of torque and is brushless as well. http://www.coptool.com/makita-18v-lxt-hammer-drilldriver-xph07m-with-1090-in-lbs/
I’m surprised its shipping with 4.0ah Batteries. I know Makita has 5.0 packs in a bunch of other markets now. I will say that drill does sound like a beast though. I doubt Milwaukee Will have a response this year but hopefully next year we see some new M18 fuel drills and impact drivers.
Nice find. Holy crap….is Makita pulling their heads out of the sand?
Just a matter of time until Milwaukee releases a monster that can’t be tamed
But this is a very nice looking drill! I want to try it out
But this is a very nice looking drill! I want to try it out
Holy crap thats alot of power!!! dewalt barley caught up to Milwaukee 2 years later, but makita comes out swinging..wow…. Impressive…. Wonder what milwaukee will show off at the event
Always remember….we might not have a bunch of hot chicks swinging there chests around at tool shows but Milwaukee has the power. Hopefully they will blow them outta the water quick. Interesting though…I’ve nearly broke my wrist with my old Dewalt hammer drill….you know, before I went red….and that thing had half the hp that this new Makita has. Makes you kind of nervous…,,
The side handle is monstrous on this drill but I don’t know if it will be enough.
They have to have the gyro sensor bosh is putting in their heavy duty brushless drills, so the drill shuts off in a binding situation.
It’s funny because Makita’s year old brushed drill at 750inlbs., already has more power than Milwaukee’s brushless, at 725 inlbs. So pulling their heads out of the sand doesn’t fit in my opinion.
Wow that’s awesome. This is definitely the way to go. I’m interested in seeing how well it performs in second speed with large bits.
They took it to heart when dan and eric smoked the last one. My makita fan brother will be glad to hear the news.
I do not need another battery platform
I do not need another battery platform
I do not need another battery platform
Damnit!
I wonder if this is as powerful as the dewalt 36v or more powerful
The dewalt is rated at 750 uwo so the makita is more powerful on paper.
I really wish Dewalt didn’t use the UWO rating. I know they have an FAQ where they state why it is better than measuring it in inch pounds or foot pounds. The problem is either they own the rights to UWO or they cant get the other companies to agree to the standard. For pickup trucks their is a standard that goes into how they calculate horsepower and towing ratings it is a written standard every manufacturer follows. The power tool industry needs to have a standard like that.
DR99 wrote:
I really wish Dewalt didn’t use the UWO rating. I know they have an FAQ where they state why it is better than measuring it in inch pounds or foot pounds. The problem is either they own the rights to UWO or they cant get the other companies to agree to the standard. For pickup trucks their is a standard that goes into how they calculate horsepower and towing ratings it is a written standard every manufacturer follows. The power tool industry needs to have a standard like that.
I couldn’t agree more, from what I’ve read there’s really no mathematical way to compare the two units of measure. I dont really know if Dewalt is wrong or right in doing this, but for now, it sucks.
Krane wrote:
It’s funny because Makita’s year old brushed drill at 750inlbs., already has more power than Milwaukee’s brushless, at 725 inlbs. So pulling their heads out of the sand doesn’t fit in my opinion.
I agree, they haven’t had their head in the sand, they’ve had it up their ass so far they could smell their breath.
Despite their 750 in/lb brushed drill that you never hear shit about, they have fallen behind. Part of it is their lack of a 12V line, part of it is problems with their current batteries, but the biggest part of it IMO is simply marketing ineptitude and slow adoption of trending features.
When people are considering a tool purchase the first thing they do is take to the internet to check out reviews and product comparisons. Makita has hardly made an attempt. I’d love to see their market share figures compared to 5 or 10 years ago.
The power tool companies are in a “cola war” type scenario right now and Makita has taken the RC approach. It’s not to say their tools are low quality, but for the most part, they’ve watched the battle from afar.
As for Dewalt, the UWO bullshit is a load of crap. I truly believe that Dewalt is right about it being a more accurate system of measure, but in reality it was Dewalt’s way of bowing out of the torque race. I’m not saying it was a bad decision, but it was a passive move. They took away the consumer’s ability to put Dewalt next to the competition and base their purchase decision on power. It’s like if you applied for a job, and when you asked how much it paid they said “75% of the median income in Aukland, New Zealand on September 22, 1971 times 2, divided by 1.375, plus 42% of inflation allowance as determined by the Chinese government and weighted against the current market strength of the Rupee”.
It was 4th and 2, late in the game, the score was tied, and Dewalt opted to punt.
That’s how Conductor sees it anyway.
That is a major concern with Makita if you just type in Makita battery problem into Google you will see a bunch of search results.
I wouldn’t mind looking at the newer Makita tools with a 4.0 or 5.0 ah battery pack as they are currently using the oldest battery cell tech in their 1.5 and 3.0 ah packs.
Makita’s brushed drill might have had more power but it wouldn’t have had near the same amount of run time as the Milwaukee fuel. Makita now has some tools that are more into the higher power range exceed current brushless tools. Makita’s first brushless models were more based on size and run time over power.
I might be a Dewalt fan if they had had more 20v tools back when I was looking at a battery platform to buy into. The first year was pretty sparse with adding new tools now its a different story they have almost every tool some one would need in a cordless tool. It was the same reason I ditched Ridgid too the lack of bare tools to expand your selection of tools with is a big deal to me.
Makita have some really nice tools (Impact Driver, Planer etc) and some really cool tools (2x18V tools, ROS). They also have a huge range.
But they’re issues with the batteries (reliability and now compatibility) and very poor offering in compact drills is a real blow.
Ok maybe I’m looking at this all wrong, but it is a hammer drill you really don’t need all of that torque. You what something to chip and brake away the material so you want is BPH . I have the Milwaukee Fuel hammer drill and it lies in my toolbox it has never had a bit in it I’v never have used it. If I’m drilling concrete, stone or whatever I use a SD rotary Drill and for wood of metal I use my Fuel drill. I guess if you really want to hurt yourself, all that torque is a good thing. Now that I think about it anyone, want a deal on a Milwaukee Fuel hammer drill?
I think you’re right on the money Regopit. At 1,000+ in/lb we’ve reached the limit of usable torque.
I recently acquired the fuel hammer drill and even 725 or whatever it’s a wrist breaker if it gets away from you in certain situations. If it binds up in metal or something you’d better let go.
I use the hammer drill for everything. I haven’t owned a standard drill/driver in years.
I always buy the hammer drill version of the drill. For the slight extra in cost it seems like why not have that function you might need it. Like Regiopit mentioned though if your doing any real masonry work you have to go sds now its so much better than the old cam hammer drill plus the prices have dropped so much on SDS drills too.
I’m still okay with my line up right now. I can’t see buying into an antiquated line up that has not shown much promise in advanced or innovation. Like I said earlier, I nearly snapped my wrist with the old Dewalt hammer. Now I was wrong in its application but I thought at the time….”cordless is better my lily white New England As$” that darn drill had more power than I do. So, Makita has a powerhouse….sure…but Regopit is absolutely right, in the end it’s beats per minute not inch pounds. That old Dewalt was not high in inch pounds either and still had some serious enough torque with bpm to what I asked of it. Now for all you Dewalt guys….this isn’t an affirmation from Chris that “OMG Chris is finally going yellow”…..My God in Heaven….NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also….Makita….where the heck have you been? Try improving your line. Put more money in tools and the important stuff. Racing is cute….you Makita Seniorita’s are smokin’ but c’mon! This hammer drill may be a super winner but fashionably late might work in Hollywood, but I don’t own a tux.
Funny thing is this new tool blows away anything out there and yet still more negative posts. If it was red would it be groundbreaking? Ford vs Chevy.
I don’t see the talk about “where have you been”. Makita has been an innovator in the industry. It seems most believe everything they read. Makita has been first and front running in many of the coolest new tools I’ve read about. Seems like some companies just get more press. Makita was the first with 18v lithium, hasn’t changed the battery platform with lithium, first with brushless, largest lithium line, X2 tools, and that’s just cordless. Ford vs Chevy.
Krane wrote:
Funny thing is this new tool blows away anything out there and yet still more negative posts. If it was red would it be groundbreaking? Ford vs Chevy.
I don’t see the talk about “where have you been”. Makita has been an innovator in the industry. It seems most believe everything they read. Makita has been first and front running in many of the coolest new tools I’ve read about. Seems like some companies just get more press. Makita was the first with 18v lithium, hasn’t changed the battery platform with lithium, first with brushless, largest lithium line, X2 tools, and that’s just cordless. Ford vs Chevy.
The lack of updates to the batteries is their biggest downfall in my opinion. I’m not saying to change the platform, but dang, give me a fuel gauge, a 4ah, and for god sakes, make it all compatible.
Krane wrote:
Funny thing is this new tool blows away anything out there and yet still more negative posts. If it was red would it be groundbreaking? Ford vs Chevy.
I don’t see the talk about “where have you been”. Makita has been an innovator in the industry. It seems most believe everything they read. Makita has been first and front running in many of the coolest new tools I’ve read about. Seems like some companies just get more press. Makita was the first with 18v lithium, hasn’t changed the battery platform with lithium, first with brushless, largest lithium line, X2 tools, and that’s just cordless. Ford vs Chevy.
you do make some good points. but you can’t blame USERS for having a bitter taste in the mouth after significant battery issues. That would be very frustrating. And its all a bit too fresh to be annoying users now with battery compatability issues.
But yes, they have a huge line and some great tools. Its unfortunate that their compact drills (the most useful tool in the world) have copped such a hard time. My mate has 2 different recent compacts from Makita and is quite dissapointed. But I would be happy to own Makita.
also, this drill needs to be market tested before it ‘blows away’ the competition. I don’t however buy any crap about the masonry performance being the main point in a hammer drill.
Krane wrote:
Funny thing is this new tool blows away anything out there and yet still more negative posts. If it was red would it be groundbreaking? Ford vs Chevy.
I don’t see the talk about “where have you been”. Makita has been an innovator in the industry. It seems most believe everything they read. Makita has been first and front running in many of the coolest new tools I’ve read about. Seems like some companies just get more press. Makita was the first with 18v lithium, hasn’t changed the battery platform with lithium, first with brushless, largest lithium line, X2 tools, and that’s just cordless. Ford vs Chevy.
I agree with you to a point. It is a Ford/Dodge/Chevy debate, but I don’t think anyone here has a deliberate bias toward Makita. For years I would have called Makita the the highest quality of the “big 4”. They have always been the trend setter in battery technology and maintained a massive lineup, but there’s no denying that they let the brand slip a little over time.
They failed to adapt to market trends. They patented a battery fuel guage like 3 years ago, but we’ve never seen it. In the CopTool drill fight (the most comprehensive I’ve seen) the Makita offering was shameful and the writer admitted he was giving it more credit than it deserved even ranking it last. He attempted to mitigate it’s lousy showing, but what was done was done. They released a more powerful 750 in/lb LXPH03 model shortly thereafter, but as a brushed version when brushless was what everyone was wanting to see. This makes even less sense considering Makita was the first to put out brushless.
Now we have a 1,090 in/lb, brushless monster, powered by suspect batteries with no fuel guage. Fair enough. A fuel guage is a convienance feature, and perhaps Makita has corrected the issue with the LXT packs. I certainly hope so. I like Makita and want to see the succeed, but I’m not ready to jump on the band wagon until I know for sure.
The XPH07M may well be the biggest, baddest, wrist snappingest, drill in the history of cordless drills, or it may be a Ferrari with a Metro engine under the hood, I suppose we’ll see.
In either event, I believe it is imperative that Makita makes a better effort to generate buzz. They are almost non-existant on the blogs, social media, and everywhere else where their core user base gets their info.
If you find my end of year prediction thread from the past 2 years, I predicted in each one that Makita was making a comeback. I’d rather not be wrong again.
I disagree. First off, you don’t mention Festool. For shame!!!!!!! I mean really….that cuts so deep dude! Also, the best circular saw I have ever had and still have is my Makita Hypoid Magnesium. Although now that I think of it…My TS55REQ IS THE BEST!!!!!! The Makita saw would cut down to China. But….they may have been the first….then what??????? Just stopped. A new tool here and there. No battery improvements and, when I had ALL Makita, I started seeing better battery life from my brothers Milwaukee’s. Plus metal ratcheting chucks that didn’t slip. My friends use Dewalt’s with no issues in the battery department (I mean aside from them being Dewalt’s…..yes Ram vs. Chevy…..although c’mon seriously….Ram!) The fuel gauges are essential. Especially for me as a DIY guy. My tools can sit for a couple of weeks and I would like to know when I got to the farm or even up a ladder that my batteries are up and running. I liked my BTD141 but the batteries sucked. I bought my BHP452 based on and old TiA review back when Makita was innovative. But times changed, tools started to evolve and …I sold my gear, switched to Milwaukee and now have kept a lot of Milwaukee but am with Festool. I base my comments on my experience. Milwaukee has stepped up to….(and on occasions steps too far….seriously????scissors????) the plate and really pushed the boundaries. Sounds like Makita might finally be getting their heads out of the sand, but I’m not switching lines for a while. Good tools, great looking girls, cool race stuff but….too late.Krane wrote:
Funny thing is this new tool blows away anything out there and yet still more negative posts. If it was red would it be groundbreaking? Ford vs Chevy.
I don’t see the talk about “where have you been”. Makita has been an innovator in the industry. It seems most believe everything they read. Makita has been first and front running in many of the coolest new tools I’ve read about. Seems like some companies just get more press. Makita was the first with 18v lithium, hasn’t changed the battery platform with lithium, first with brushless, largest lithium line, X2 tools, and that’s just cordless. Ford vs Chevy.
Conductor562 wrote:
I agree with you to a point. It is a Ford/Dodge/Chevy debate, but I don’t think anyone here has a deliberate bias toward Makita. For years I would have called Makita the the highest quality of the “big 4”. They have always been the trend setter in battery technology and maintained a massive lineup, but there’s no denying that they let the brand slip a little over time.
They failed to adapt to market trends. They patented a battery fuel guage like 3 years ago, but we’ve never seen it. In the CopTool drill fight (the most comprehensive I’ve seen) the Makita offering was shameful and the writer admitted he was giving it more credit than it deserved even ranking it last. He attempted to mitigate it’s lousy showing, but what was done was done. They released a more powerful 750 in/lb LXPH03 model shortly thereafter, but as a brushed version when brushless was what everyone was wanting to see. This makes even less sense considering Makita was the first to put out brushless.
Now we have a 1,090 in/lb, brushless monster, powered by suspect batteries with no fuel guage. Fair enough. A fuel guage is a convienance feature, and perhaps Makita has corrected the issue with the LXT packs. I certainly hope so. I like Makita and want to see the succeed, but I’m not ready to jump on the band wagon until I know for sure.
The XPH07M may well be the biggest, baddest, wrist snappingest, drill in the history of cordless drills, or it may be a Ferrari with a Metro engine under the hood, I suppose we’ll see.
In either event, I believe it is imperative that Makita makes a better effort to generate buzz. They are almost non-existant on the blogs, social media, and everywhere else where their core user base gets their info.
If you find my end of year prediction thread from the past 2 years, I predicted in each one that Makita was making a comeback. I’d rather not be wrong again.
It has a battery gauge from the picture in the first post. I thought you guys were the bloggers or writers. You can choose to create buzz on what items you pick right? Do certain manufacturers send you guys demos and new product info to get buzz going or how does it work.
I am with Krane here, Makita has been an innovator for a long time and the battery thing gets a worse rep than it maybe deserves. I had some of the first M18 batteries at a feedlot we own and those batteries died left and right compared to the one here or there in my rather large Makita lineup. Soo maybe you are not a landscaper so the new line of landscaping tools isn’t for you. They had the first brushless impact way before anyone else and it has a fuel gauge on the tool which is what the whole M12 line uses and it doesn’t get this bad of run down. Also of the big three, I will always pick up the Makita impact to drive screws of any kind in wood, its only when we have to drive large self tapping screws into metal that I have to reach for my m18 fuel impacts (but the newest Makita impact should change that also). I also want to point out that Makita has been innovating in more directions with their cordless lineup than their competitors combined (ok maybe close, but you get the point). I have the cordless nibbler for sheet steel (they also have the shear), the concrete vibrator, the first brushless sds hammer drill, the first drywall screw gun, and I believe the first of the big three to come out with a 3/8″ drive ratchet. All of these I would have to buy new and different battery platforms to get each one. Then you can come to the x2 lineup which is being expanded everytime I turn around, more innovation that doesn’t get the credit it deserves. I continue to buy new Fuel tools and love them but I still can not get away from Makita as they have soo many specialty tools that we use daily and they are always great tools at that.
One last rant, I had bought into the 3.0/40 and 1.5/2.0 battery sales pitch for both dewalt for the short time I had 20v tools and with my Milwaukee lineup and in the end its more of a sales ploy than anything. My impacts run for hours 3-4 sometimes and honestly taking a break to switch batteries (because I grabbed an extra one to bring with anyways) is not that time consuming. If only Makita would release their stuff in the US faster it may have been able to keep up better (their 5.0 battery is out in Japan currently and I almost bought one the other day) but I digress. Either way Makita still has a faithful following and they may market in different ways than the others but they will continue to stay an innovator and I will continue to buy their tools for it.
Not to mention that I burned up a drill at work to the point my boss thought there was a fire! They are a decent tool but my money’s with Milwaukee!
Krane wrote:
It has a battery gauge from the picture in the first post. I thought you guys were the bloggers or writers. You can choose to create buzz on what items you pick right? Do certain manufacturers send you guys demos and new product info to get buzz going or how does it work.
To create buzz about a new product manufacturers will send out the tools to the blogs and typically include a press kit highlighting new features, etc.
Makita used to do this more than they do now, but they pretty much quit using blogs after a few poor performances in which Makita lost head to head battles or had drills nearly catch on fire. We had one burn up and I know of at least 2 instances where blogs told Makita they didn’t have anything nice to say, so they weren’t going to say anything at all.
Some blogs are “pay to play” meaning that all reviews are paid for by the manufacturer and they say exactly what the manufacturer wants them to say. This is why Tool Box Buzz named a recalled sub-scanner that Dewalt had apologized for even releasing and admitted it didn’t work for shit, as a tool of the year. TIA is not a “pay to play” site and all reviews are based on performance and opinion. In other words, we reserve the right to tell you any negatives about the tool.
This opinion that Makita has slipped is not any bias or something imagined. If Makita wants to create buzz about their stuff they can do it, but in the past couple of years they have been more concerned with protecting themselves from any negative press. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact and Makita has pretty much said so themselves.
Again, I really hope this drill is a turning point for Makita. I want to see them back on top of their game, but we can’t pretend they haven’t had some issues.
review is up! http://professional-power-tool-guide.com/power-tool-forum/index.php?/topic/4548-review-makita-bl-hammer-drill-xph07/#entry35540
Good review dwain that Makita is nice but again nothing special! I expected more
Punda1991 wrote:
Good review dwain that Makita is nice but again nothing special! I expected more
What’d ya need it to do iron your clothes for ya? King of the hill is a game car manufacturers do it and we see it more and more in tools these days.
The way I read the add made it seem like I’m going to toss my drill in the nearest garbage and go buy this but from the looks of it I wasn’t to thrilled! Looks nice but not enough to change my mind
Krane,
As you have no doubt noticed, we re-reviewed the drill, coming to the conclusion that our first one was faulty (drill or battery). Punda’s comment would have been in reply to our first (less positive review).
We think it’s an absolute ball-tearer.
I’ll stick with my dewalt platform. No point in changing the line up at this time.