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Whats your guys prediction, i never have gotten around to buying this, do you guys think we will see a new one at the symposium this year? Should i hold off until maybe a new one comes out, my fuel drill is doing everything an impact does so i can go without and impact for awhile.
When is the symposium?
I believe March or April
It might be a little too early to see an updated model, but who knows with Milwaukee they are always doing crazy things. I would like too see better Led’s on the Impacts and Drills that’s one thing Dewalt has really done with with their new brushless drills and impacts.
I highly doubt they would update the fuel impact anytime soon. Except for the 3 ring led, there isn’t much they can do to improve. I have it and I would say go for it. It’s definitely way faster than the dewalt original brushed 20v impact driver
I’m with Javier on that Chase. My M18 Fuel impact is an unbelievably well made tool. The power is amazing, the three speed/torque settings are phenomenal and the grip is rubbery and solid and with the XC packs it’s still pretty light. I am not a fan of the Hammer believe it or not! Great drill, no question there, but it is wicked heavy, kinda like Dewalt’s three speed. I think the Milwaukee is a better tool, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT in the Hammer category as I’ve used both but…it is still a really heavy tool and tall. I guess I like compact drills. I will say, if I had to choose between the two I would take the Milwaukee Fuel hammer before the Dewalt. But as I have gotten off topic, if the tool is serving your purposes why spend the extra cash but you will LOVE the impact if you get it. Absolutely awesome machine.
I would love too see more exotic metals like magnesium or titanium being used to cut down weight but that’s never going to happen in mainstream tools its too expensive for most consumers.
A lot of circular saws use magnesium.
Would like to see Milwaukee come out with a 20V DRILL with high RPM for drilling cabinets.Need at least 2000rpm’s
I think im gonna get it, its around 85 on ebay for the bare tool.
actually Milwaukee fuel hammer drill is actually faster than the dewalt. Check out the tested rpm’s from protoolreviewsvmc43 wrote:
Would like to see Milwaukee come out with a 20V DRILL with high RPM for drilling cabinets.Need at least 2000rpm’s
The mighty dcd985 with its claimed 2000 rpms top speed came up as 1790 rpms
The Milwaukee fuel hammer drill was pretty close to it’s rated rpm 1875 as 1810 tested.
If you’re choosing a drill solely on rpm’s I would suggest the hilti as it was tested at 2145 rpm or a corded drill
Or you could go with the new festool or fien 4 speed drill. They do more than 3500 rpms
CPO has it for 79 but no free shipping right now. CPO also has the fuel compact kit for 149 but I know your not made out of money Chase.
I will say I have the Makita Magnesium Hypoid saw. It’ll cut through houses. It is wickedly heavy but powerful.
And Chase, if you get the chance and have the cashola, it might be worth your while to get it. You won’t be drear eased.
Depressed. Stupid friggin’ ipad.
Man If I ever won the lotto I would have the best woodshop/metal shop ever. I would have the top of the line stuff in a bad ass pole barn.
Go for it, got to use mine at work pretty heavy today and it’s a beast.
Me too DR me too. Big honk in’ pole barn and some land.of course now that I’m dreaming I would have several acres, some horses. In the barn a whole section just for a lathe (which by the way I don’t know how to use yet) and for making joinery. Man I have to take some classes. I’m self taught on everything thus far!
Why do you need that kind of RPM?
ChrisK wrote:
Me too DR me too. Big honk in’ pole barn and some land.of course now that I’m dreaming I would have several acres, some horses. In the barn a whole section just for a lathe (which by the way I don’t know how to use yet) and for making joinery. Man I have to take some classes. I’m self taught on everything thus far!
Lathes aren’t too hard to learn how to use. I learned how when I was 15.
That’s cool Nicholas. I was thinking about taking a class up here in Newmarket. There is a guy that teaches basic joinery with hand tools and also lathe work. I REALLY want to learn this.
I think that it is fun. The high school metalworking class here has some good sized jet lathes that I have used. My grandpa also has a smaller benchtop one that he uses to make things for his truck or something small. He is the kind of person to make something before he buys it.
Javier wrote:
actually Milwaukee fuel hammer drill is actually faster than the dewalt. Check out the tested rpm’s from protoolreviews
The mighty dcd985 with its claimed 2000 rpms top speed came up as 1790 rpms
The Milwaukee fuel hammer drill was pretty close to it’s rated rpm 1875 as 1810 tested.
If you’re choosing a drill solely on rpm’s I would suggest the hilti as it was tested at 2145 rpm or a corded drill
This test is a good reason why Dewalt doesn’t publish a Torque rating. Tool buyers purchase tools based on comparing these ratings when in fact, published torque rating do not necessarily equate to faster application speed (same with RPM). These torque ratings can also be manipulated by manufacturers so that they can publish a torque ratings 20 in/lbs above a competitor and thus sell more drills to the uneducated tool buyer. According to the tests, Milwaukee has 620 in/lbs of torque and the Dewalt has 504 in/lbs, then why is the Dewalt able to beat the Milwaukee in all of the wood drilling tests? (1-1/2″ hold saw Dewalt – 20.8 seconds Milwaukee – 29.1 seconds) See self feed bits too.
The UWO that Dewalt publishes is Dewalts attempt at combining the RPM and Torque specs into a unit of measurement that actually equates to application speed. Right or Wrong, they choose to do this to avoid getting in specification fights with competitors who can very easily print a higher torque rating on a box and thus claim that their drill has more power.
@ gatorb88
My entire comment had to do with rpm’s. Also the tested rpm’s are not my findings. If you don’t like the numbers take it up with protoolreviews as I didn’t come up with those numbers.
I had both drills in my possession at one time and honestly I expected the dewalt to turn the chuck faster than the Milwaukee but I didn’t notice any difference. The info from ptr backed up what my eyes noticed.
Is the dewalt the clear winner in the wood large hole saw test? Absolutely!
Is the Milwaukee the clear winner at hammer drilling? Absolutely!
Each one has its strengths. Is one drill better than the other overall? No
If you were thinking I was going to reply with something like “oh the Milwaukee hammer drill is way better than the dewalt hammer drill” you are mistaken.
If someone on this forum asked about the dcd985, I would have no problem recommending it. I used to own it and that thing is a beast, it never let me down.
You probably didn’t expect me to give dewalt a compliment. Although I do prefer Milwaukee, there are plenty of areas where dewalt leads the way.
yeah i was surprised Dan won this argument. I love my 985, but I dont think the extra grunt and third gear are enough to get it over the line against the runtime and length of the FUEL drill (not that I’ve used it). But how lucky as consumers are we to have such choices!
On another note, I remember the first brushless dewalt impact driver (DCF895) coming in right on par with the FUEL impact in the tool fight. I assume the DCF886 (which i love!) would do the same. But the FUEL has 3 speeds? Should/could it have won that category too?
Was the Dewalt oscillating tool lucky to get the nod over the Bosch also?
I have mostly Dewalt (for cordless), and love my gear, but I’m feeling they got pretty lucky in these awards…
Javier wrote:
@ gatorb88
My entire comment had to do with rpm’s. Also the tested rpm’s are not my findings. If you don’t like the numbers take it up with protoolreviews as I didn’t come up with those numbers.
I had both drills in my possession at one time and honestly I expected the dewalt to turn the chuck faster than the Milwaukee but I didn’t notice any difference. The info from ptr backed up what my eyes noticed.
Is the dewalt the clear winner in the wood large hole saw test? Absolutely!
Is the Milwaukee the clear winner at hammer drilling? Absolutely!
Each one has its strengths. Is one drill better than the other overall? No
If you were thinking I was going to reply with something like “oh the Milwaukee hammer drill is way better than the dewalt hammer drill” you are mistaken.
If someone on this forum asked about the dcd985, I would have no problem recommending it. I used to own it and that thing is a beast, it never let me down.
You probably didn’t expect me to give dewalt a compliment. Although I do prefer Milwaukee, there are plenty of areas where dewalt leads the way.
I was not thinking you’d reply with anything and I was not attacking anything you said. You actually said nothing wrong. I was just bringing what I thought to be an interesting topic. Tool Specifications do not necessarily equate to application speed.
Gator888 with the mac line of auto tools are the batterys interchangable with regular 12/20v batterys and vice versa?
ChaseRogers wrote:
Gator888 with the mac line of auto tools are the batterys interchangable with regular 12/20v batterys and vice versa?
From what I understand. They actually haven’t shared too much info about that launch with us. Mac is on a different side of the company.
Edit: I did some digging and yes, it looks like they are completely interchangeable.
Gatorb888 wrote:
From what I understand. They actually haven’t shared too much info about that launch with us. Mac is on a different side of the company.
Edit: I did some digging and yes, it looks like they are completely interchangeable.
That’s good for Mac users.
I think Dewalt could really benefit from an effort to educate everyone on how UWO’s work. I think it would make a great article and I’d be more than happy to write it up.
Conductor562 wrote:
Why do you need that kind of RPM?
I install cabinets and need a fast drill for drilling in hard woods.But also very light for all day use.Cordless is so much easier to deal with.
Conductor562 wrote:
I think Dewalt could really benefit from an effort to educate everyone on how UWO’s work. I think it would make a great article and I’d be more than happy to write it up.
I think Dewalt had a better write-up about the UWO rating on their site a couple of years ago. This is all they have now.
http://www.dewalt.com/featured-articles/power-tools-what-does-torque-rating-really-mean.aspx
I think of it like an engine in a car. The milwaukee gets the highest peak torque but the dewalt gets more torque throughout the rpm range. That is how I think of it
After reading the article, I can understand what they’re trying to do; trying to create a standard to measure the power/ work load of a drill. It doesn’t matter if you have 5000ft•lbs of torque if your drill only moves at 10 rpms, nor if you you have 5000rpm but only 10ft•lbs of torque it’s gonna take you a long time to do work.
Torque and rpm are such ingrained ratings and selling points, it’s doubtful that anyone else is going to move away from them anytime soon. Maybe if Dewalt had left the torque and rpm with an equation to UWO it wouldn’t have created such mistrust.
I suppose it’s a 351 Windsor vs. 351 Cleveland debate. I’ve always regarded Dewalt as being faster with Milwaukee having a little more torque.
Conductor562 wrote:
I suppose it’s a 351 Windsor vs. 351 Cleveland debate. I’ve always regarded Dewalt as being faster with Milwaukee having a little more torque.
MIlwaukee= Diesel Power DeWalt= Gasoline Power
The only thing I can think they can improve on this Driver is the chuck but besides that nothing else, so I say you should get it.
what’s wrong with the chuck on the Milwaukee?ToolFreak wrote:
The only thing I can think they can improve on this Driver is the chuck but besides that nothing else, so I say you should get it.
ToolFreak wrote:
The only thing I can think they can improve on this Driver is the chuck but besides that nothing else, so I say you should get it.[/quoteAre you talking about the Milwaukee impactors chuck? I think the hex chuck is a pretty solid chuck. The hammer drills chuck on the Milwaukee is stellar too. Or are you referring to the Dewalt hammer drill chuck
I think he means being able to insert the bit without pulling up on the collar
Conductor562 wrote:
I think he means being able to insert the bit without pulling up on the collar
Does the brushed m18 impact require that? because on the m18 fuel its one handed to insert a bit
Javier wrote:
Does the brushed m18 impact require that? because on the m18 fuel its one handed to insert a bit
Not sure about the M18. The brushed M12 requires it doesn’t it? May be a Fuel only upgrade.
Javier wrote:
what’s wrong with the chuck on the Milwaukee?
What I don’t like about it, is that you need two hands to take the bit out, unlike the DeWalt XR, which allows for one handed removal of the bit. But I got use to it so it’s not a problem anymore.
Javier wrote:
Does the brushed m18 impact require that? because on the m18 fuel its one handed to insert a bit
The M18 Fuel is one handed to insert a bit but not to remove a bit.
how can you remove bits with one hand on the Dewalt? I always use two hands…
dwain wrote:
how can you remove bits with one hand on the Dewalt? I always use two hands…
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ahh thanks for the video, i know what you mean now. i suppose this would matter in some scenarios, as you don’t have to take your hand off the grip.
i think i usually switch hands to remove bits, negating this efficiency…
Yeah, it comes in handy at certain times, like when I got the driver on my belt and I only have one free hand, but thanks to this bit I don’t have to remove bits that much anymore.
It’s a time saver, only bad thing is that it is not magnetic, but the convenience of having the Square, Flat and Phillips bit, plus the 1/4 and 3/8 nut driver sizes makes it worth while.
I’m pretty late to the impact driver game and I picked up one of these a few months back.
Anyway I love using it but In all honesty, they just don’t work in the theater industry. The noise level from an impact prevent people from communicating. Several time today I was told to stop because they were focusing lights on a lift.
Yeah they do get loud