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With the very interesting and surprising release of the 8v “gyroscopic” Screwdriver, it looks to me that there will be more to the 8v line. What do you guys think about this?
I think they painted themselves in the corner by opting for the slide on packs for the 12V Max line.
Yeah i agree, i wonder what else they are going to offer with this line…
I bet we will see some flashlight’s and diagnostic tools like a multimeter and thermometer on the 8v platform. I have to agree with the slide pack issue now it makes the tools larger than other brands 12v tools. The only thing is I did have the old M12 drill and impact I have smaller hands so the grip was kind of uncomfortable, but with the redesign on the Fuel versions of the Impact and Drill they really solved that issue big time. I wonder if this 8v line was started because of the milwaukee 4v line of tools that’s rumored to be in development. Milwaukee has a screwdriver out right now. Plus the can steal from the Ryobi Tek4 and the craftsmen 4v line http://toolguyd.com/craftsman-4v-cordless-tools/ the tek4 line kinda flopped except for a few tools and the craftsman line was discontinued right away. One crappy thing about the dewalt 12v line the ah rating on the dewalt 12v batteries are really low if you get and older pack before they updated the cells they can either be 1.3ah or 1.5ah. Has any one used the gyro drivers are they really worth it or its it more of a gimmic?
Yeah that would be neat if they released meters and testers, i have played around with the b and d gyro and its neat, but then again is it useful…
I think you nailed it DR99. We’ll see diagnostic tools and items not specifically classified as “tools”. I always thought Dewalt screwed up by going with the slide pack, but they claimed their market research indicated that the ability of the tool to stand up straight was important to their customers, especially installers, whom Dewalt viewed as a primary user category for the 12V Max line. They claimed this was primarily a concern because snobby customers often complained when installers laid their tools over on their granite counter tops, hardwood floors, etc. Milwaukee nailed the 12V platform. The option for either style battery is great considering some tools workout better with the slim packs and some with the square XC’s.
Yeah DeWalt definitely went the wrong way, I forgot that they had the xc packs which made the M12’s stand up. DeWalt cant do anything about it now unless they revamp there whole 12v line…
It amazed me that my 12v redlithium compact packs had more more amp hours than the 12v dewalt packs considering that they were slide on pack and were larger. I really like that Milwaukee is including xc packs with the fuel drills
Mac has a 12V Screwdriver that is either just out or just getting ready to be. It’s a re-branded Dewalt 12V Max pack and it looks odd as hell on a screwdriver. I can’t seem to find a pic of it, but when I do I’ll share it.
Yeah now whats this with Milwaukee and a 4v line?
ChaseRogers wrote:
Yeah now whats this with Milwaukee and a 4v line?
They announced an M4 screwdriver a month or 2 back.
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No word yet on any other tools to follow, but everyone suspects it will contain several Tek4-ish items.
Yeah I never thought DeWalt would go the homeowner route since they have B&D…
Believe it or not, there was a time (in my lifetime) that B&D made pretty nice stuff. When I was a kid every shop in my town had B&D stuff from the 70’s, 60’s, and even a few from the 50’s, still seeing regular use. They cheapened them up through the 80’s and then in the early 90’s (1992 IIRC) they brought the Dewalt name back from the dead. They’d owned the name since 1959 or 60, but once the radial arm saw sales died off they left it idle for awhile. They bought a german company called Elu and used the cordless technology they acquired through Elu to release the original Dewalt cordless line. In reality Dewalt was never any better quality than Milwaukee, Makita, or Bosch, but the dominated the market through advertising and promotions. When my Dad bought Dewalt stuff he almost always got a coupon in the box for a free battery, or in some cases, free tools. He bought a cordless combo kit and got a free Circular saw, bought a planer and got a Jig saw, bought a table saw and got a cordless screwdriver, etc. In some cases he had like 4 or 5 tools to choose from. It was a killer promo and it worked. Why buy a Milwaukee tool when he could buy a Dewalt tool and get another tool for free? Every tool in my Dad’s shop was that ugly fucking yellow and still is.
Yea it’s pretty crazy how dominant Dewalt was at one time regarding cordless tools during the nicad era. Yea the other brands were around but that 18v xrp line just dominated it was great marketing by them. They really lost it during the lion revolution they were kinda slow getting onboard with it most of the lion tools didn’t sell too well till the 20v max launch. Yea the free battery or tool deal wasn’t nearly as common back then as it is now.
Now that slide on pack works great on the Dewalt 12volt reciprocating saw.
They really did run off some customers by running 2 platforms at once (me included). People knew 20V Max was the future, but most were disappointed in the pathetic initial 2 tool offering, couldn’t wait who knows how long for the Max platform to catch up, and were leery about investing in a nano base line that everyone knew was on the way out. The whole debacle seemed like it lasted longer than it actually did, but it hurt sales regardless. It’s why I chose Milwaukee and deterred a lot of others as well,
Yea it was pretty bad when it took Dewalt 3 years to get a new jobsite radio. I would say now the 20v max line is pretty filled out now with this last batch of tools they released. I know Makita or Hilti was the first with some brushless tool offerings Hilti isn’t really relevant, but Milwaukee was the first one to really push it mainstream with some serious marketing. I know Milwaukee burnt some bridges with the v18 line being discontinued so quickly. Now that Dewalt has the basic’s on the 20v line they can start to add the specialty tools like nailguns and other things. It’s pretty crazy that they don’t have a Dewalt multitool though corded or cordless they could just used the porter cable version in the short term
Rumor has it a multi tool is forthcoming. I’ve been hearing that for awhile now, so we’ll see.
Yeah same here conductor, suposetly Thats the suprise they told every one at the media event…
Just to feed into the Milwaukee and tek4 relations……most of the Tek4 stuff has been discontinued and most stores have gotten rid of their tek4 displays.
Joe M wrote:
Just to feed into the Milwaukee and tek4 relations……most of the Tek4 stuff has been discontinued and most stores have gotten rid of their tek4 displays.
Hmmm……good to know
So now Eric and Dan have reviewed some testers from Klein, Im wondering if we can expect the same type of tools from the 8v line, maybe even a clamp meter to compete with Milwaukee….
ChaseRogers wrote:
So now Eric and Dan have reviewed some testers from Klein, Im wondering if we can expect the same type of tools from the 8v line, maybe even a clamp meter to compete with Milwaukee….
I’d say its a pretty safe bet
For me the slide pack on dewalt 12v line was the reason i went with dewalt , one charger 20v/12v
Jeth wrote:
For me the slide pack on dewalt 12v line was the reason i went with dewalt , one charger 20v/12v
I have to ask, what was it about the slide pack that you preferred over Milwaukee where you have the option of either?
The fact that i need one charger cuz i have the 20v to ! And i have small hands .And the 4.0 are not avalable yet in Canada !
The old 3.0ah XC’s were the same design as the 4.0’s. I’ll give you the charger issue though. Milwaukee has a multi-volt charger, but it doesn’t come standard with any of the kits 🙁
How many 20v tools do you have?
6 20v tools ,the premium hammer drill , 3speed impact , jig saw ,grinder, right angle drill , and impact wrench And the 24v circular saw and reciprocating saw with ac/dc converter
How do you like them?
I love them !
I have the Premium drill, impact, circular saw and 12v Pivoting Recip. I love them all it just seems like DeWalt take forever to launch new tools, with the release of the brushless saws from Milwaukee I am considering the move.
Yes me to but by the time they arrive in Canada mabe dewalt will have some new tools
I’m puzzled as to why Dewalt keeps releasing shit in Europe before North America.
Yeah so am I Conductor, Thats part of the reason im moving, they had that stupid 20v trim nailer out over there for 6 months and no word of it here…
I think It gives them time too gauge if the tool is going to be popular or not, and it gives them a chance to ramp up production/test the tool longer with out the risk of releasing a bum tool in the USA.
Yeah, It just seems like forever and I dont know about you but I think they will lose customers like me because of lack of releasing tools…
This 8V max screw driver seems like a waste, I know its probably shares some components with the gyros, but wouldn’t their resources be better off one adding and updating the 12v and 20v max lines. I would love to see the table saw miter saw combo’s they sell overseas. I wonder if its an regulatory safety issue is the problem with them not being offered here. http://www.dewalt.co.uk/powertools/productoverview/hierarchy/51/
I’ve always wondered how much effect the CPSC and other regulatory agencies had on that type of stuff.
DR99 wrote:
This 8V max screw driver seems like a waste, I know its probably shares some components with the gyros, but wouldn’t their resources be better off one adding and updating the 12v and 20v max lines. I would love to see the table saw miter saw combo’s they sell overseas. I wonder if its an regulatory safety issue is the problem with them not being offered here. http://www.dewalt.co.uk/powertools/productoverview/hierarchy/51/
WOW those boggle my mind.
They even sell the the Dewalt radial arm saw over there. No one really sells them here anymore sliding miter saws made them obsolete plus they were dangerous as hell to operate. Now you though the other Dewalt table saw miter saw combos were crazy this on is like a transformer. http://www.tooled-up.com/product/dewalt-d27105-flip-over-saw-12-305mm-blade-2000w-110v/127551/
Conductor562 wrote:
I’ve always wondered how much effect the CPSC and other regulatory agencies had on that type of stuff.
Yea that’s what kind of blew my mind they offer saws like that over there but not here. If you ever watch any UK tv shows they are even more obsessed about workers safety than we are over here.
Those saws would be nice to trim carpenters and such. They’re a little cumbersome for my preference though.
Dewalt sold off their Radial Arm Saw rights in North America to 2 executives in 1989 IIRC. They in turn went in business as The Original Saw Company.
Conductor562 wrote:
Those saws would be nice to trim carpenters and such. They’re a little cumbersome for my preference though.
Dewalt sold off their Radial Arm Saw rights in North America to 2 executives in 1989 IIRC. They in turn went in business as The Original Saw Company.
You know a lot of history!!
ChaseRogers wrote:
You know a lot of history!!
Useless knowledge is kinda my thing 😆
The Original Saw Company is actually still in business and still selling saws based on the original Raymond Dewalt Design:
I just dunno why some guys do that, switch companies so fast… I’m just a DIY guy so if Dewalt releases some tools a bit slower then Milwaukee who cares really, switching seems like a waste… Switching platforms and spending even more money on a tool that’s probably Marginally better then the other just to have the newest is well to me a bit wasteful… That’s my opinion though, Unless Dewalt closed up shop I wouldn’t switch
I don’t own any 12v tools, all 20V Dewalt and after just holding the dewalt 12v tools over Milwaukee I’d never own the milwaukee 12v tool., The grip is totally uncomfortable for me and my buddy had the same thoughts as well when we tried them a week or so ago at home depot… Without the stem in the handle, it’s gives Dewalt more reign on the grip design which to me is damn near perfect…
Plus like mentioned earlier, the chargers charge both batteries and it comes with pretty much every tool which is a huge plus, which is nice because one charger to carry from site to site… the tools stand up on the table, floor etc…
Dewalt even has a new gas free framing nailer, all on the 20v line in the UK… Don’t worry they will all come here….
07Sierra wrote:
I just dunno why some guys do that, switch companies so fast… I’m just a DIY guy so if Dewalt releases some tools a bit slower then Milwaukee who cares really, switching seems like a waste… Switching platforms and spending even more money on a tool that’s probably Marginally better then the other just to have the newest is well to me a bit wasteful… That’s my opinion though, Unless Dewalt closed up shop I wouldn’t switch
I don’t own any 12v tools, all 20V Dewalt and after just holding the dewalt 12v tools over Milwaukee I’d never own the milwaukee 12v tool., The grip is totally uncomfortable for me and my buddy had the same thoughts as well when we tried them a week or so ago at home depot… Without the stem in the handle, it’s gives Dewalt more reign on the grip design which to me is damn near perfect…
Plus like mentioned earlier, the chargers charge both batteries and it comes with pretty much every tool which is a huge plus, which is nice because one charger to carry from site to site… the tools stand up on the table, floor etc…
Milwaukee now has a Multi volt charger, and I like the M12 stuff because you have the option of the small in the handle battery or a pancake style xc.
It’s true that Dewalt’s slide pack allows for slimmer handle designs. It’s also true that the slide pack restricts their ability to streamline the design of many compact tools and limits the users option to choose a slimmer pack for clearance or an XC for run time. I can see where someone with small hands might appreciate the Dewalt design, but I have no issue with the Milwaukee feel