New rafter hook?

Just got the 20v 7 1/4” circular saw.

It has a rafter hook. I didn’t know they came with one.

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All the DCS570s and 577s have them and new 575s have them (which doesn’t do any good for all of us early adopters but is nice for guys buying them now lol). 

Yup. Ain’t that the truth🤨

How much do people even use rafter hooks?

Jronman wrote:

1 hour ago, Jronman said:

How much do people even use rafter hooks?

Personally, all the time. It’s like push button start. It sounds stupid and unnecessary but once you grow accustomed to it you realize it’s such a pleasant feature. 

I pick things up off the ground enough in a day. Being able to hang a circ saw or recip at a comfortable height is nice. There isn’t always a suitable spot to set it at the same height. 

It’s a popular enough feature that Dewalt implemented them after being called out infinite times on social media, and Milwaukee has beefed up their hook on the 2732 because they eventually broke on the 2730 and 2731. 

Hooks are probably preferable on the tool but it wouldn’t be so bad making a universal hook out of metal rod (not attached to the tool). Then you can hook almost any tool you like; on a rafter, a ladder, or your belt.

I wish they’d start making a hook or belt clip for cordless angle grinders. I guess I should try and make one. 

D W wrote:

1 hour ago, D W said:

Hooks are probably preferable on the tool but it wouldn’t be so bad making a universal hook out of metal rod (not attached to the tool). Then you can hook almost any tool you like; on a rafter, a ladder, or your belt.

 

I wish they’d start making a hook or belt clip for cordless angle grinders. I guess I should try and make one. 

 

 

AWP, the brand of tool bags and pouches sold by Lowe’s here in the US, makes what they call a Monster Hook.  A quick search reveals that it is sold under a few brands.  Basically, you put it on a belt and can hang about anything on it.

Werner has two accessories designed for use with the Lock-In system they use on some of their stepladders.  One is a hook similar to the Monster Hook that slides into compatible holes on the ladder, while the other is a Tool Lasso that is wrapped around the tool and has a ball on the end.  The latter comes with a belt adapter for greater versatility.

Before I jumped the shark on collecting power tools, I picked up a number of Tool Lassos when Lowe’s clearanced them out for as little as $1 or so.  They work great so long as you have a ladder handy.  I used to bring a couple podium style ladders for my projects, with Lock-In buckets attached so I had a handy place to set things at a convenient height.  The only downside is that the tools aren’t really that secure if you use the belt adapter.  If you kneel down amd the tool rests on the floor or another object the Lasso may lift off the adapter.  

Rafter hooks keep your tools out of the dirt is the main thing with me. Nailguns don’t like to be set on the ground dirt and sand are one of the worst enemy’s to your tools besides water .

Used the new saw, today.
DON’T BUY THIS SAW.

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Hit the Wrong button.

We used the saw, today. I got some “hands on” time, as did everyone else.
Overall, it is worthless. No power. The old 6 1/2” have more power.
About 2:00, I heard, “ $&&$&&?£€>It jus doesn’t have any power. Complete waste of money.
Tomorrow, I will call Acme tool to see what their return policy is.

In a positive note, the bevel adjustments are very good. The switch and overall motor running, is good. The guard is great.

My opinion stay away from this saw.


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I guess I should add, we were cutting Carr siding.
#2 white pine. In my opinion the wood was rather soft.


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Looks like you need to jump up to the Makita rear handle or 577. 

I’ll probably get one of the flex volt.
Same battery platform. Sort of.


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The 575 is a good saw. I don’t imagine you’ll be disappointed. 

Try to exchange it for a 575. I cut 3x OSB all the time with mine, rip beams etc. plenty of oomph.

builditguy wrote:

Hit the Wrong button.

We used the saw, today. I got some “hands on” time, as did everyone else.
Overall, it is worthless. No power. The old 6 1/2” have more power.
About 2:00, I heard, “ $&&$&&?£€>It jus doesn’t have any power. Complete waste of money.
Tomorrow, I will call Acme tool to see what their return policy is.

In a positive note, the bevel adjustments are very good. The switch and overall motor running, is good. The guard is great.

My opinion stay away from this saw.


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I went with the last circular saw I’ll ever buy (until FlexVolt is no longer supported, probably 2020 with my luck), the DCS577.  As much as it cost, it’s the last saw I can afford!  💸

Just a small update on the saw.

My foreman mentioned it a few times, yesterday.  Mostly as he was cutting stuff with the 6 1/2″.  One of the main issues, in his opinion, was the slow start up.  While ripping a board, the saw would stall/stop.  Then, you couldn’t just pull the trigger again and get it going.  He thinks the slow start up/ wind up was a big issue.  Admittedly he used it more than I did.  Doesn’t matter either way.

I called Acme and they let me return it.  I feel bad about it.  This isn’t something I normally do.  They said I need to pay for shipping.  They also mentioned, there may be a re-stocking fee, because I used it.  I’m fine with that.  We did use it.  That is kind of the point.  Packaging it up, today.  I appreciate their understanding.  The new one will come from them.  (I order alot from them anyway)

Just need to decide on which flexvolt to get.  The foreman asked me why I thought we needed anything besides the 6 1/2″.  I just think it will be better.  The 6 1/2″ do fine, but once you get your hands on a corded saw, you realize how how nice it is.  Don’t get me wrong, I am committed to going cordless, but going with the old stand by, is nice, once in a while.  

One comment on the rafter hook.  Although we didn’t use this one, I like the hook.  Not that we are normally “up in the rafters” and need a hook, just that I like being able to hang the saw, somewhere.

While at the saw horses, I usually set it on the ground.  It’s just my way.  A long time ago, I had a boss that required the tool be hung.  He had some crap peg on the saw horses to hang a tool.  My thinking was that the saw could fall to the ground, which happened occasionally.  I like to just sit it on the ground, near and under the saw horses.  My preference.

As far as the rafter hook, I notice it most, when we are sheathing a roof.  I like to hook the saw on the top sheet.  Just my preference.

What style are you used to? Blade left or blade right? Get the corresponding FlexVolt saw. The 577 worm drive style is a bit of a battery pig allegedly. I’ve been happy with battery life on my 575, but it has less power than the 577 (quite a lot less if I’m not mistaken). I also only use the 3.0/9.0 FlexVolt batteries. I sold off all the crappy 6.0s they came with. 

Bremon wrote:

2 hours ago, Bremon said:

What style are you used to? Blade left or blade right? Get the corresponding FlexVolt saw. The 577 worm drive style is a bit of a battery pig allegedly. I’ve been happy with battery life on my 575, but it has less power than the 577 (quite a lot less if I’m not mistaken). I also only use the 3.0/9.0 FlexVolt batteries. I sold off all the crappy 6.0s they came with. 

I can cut with either hand, but I am a lefty so I went 575. It will also fit places the 577 won’t. Can’t comment on 577 battery draw but I have 3 dcb606 (the 6/2) and when using the fast charger I’ve never had to wait on a battery. 

Ultimately your choice will be based on preference, they are both great saws. 

Really how bad is this saw?  I’ve been debating getting a circular saw for awhile and I wasn’t real sure which way I wanted to go.  I don’t typically work with wood but I have a few shelving projects I want to do around the house and at my business we occasionally we do some concrete flat work where we form with 2×6 wood forms.  I know the 575 is more than capable for my needs and I have a few flexvolt batteries but we have two trucks running on 20v at work so I would prefer to stay in the 20v just for simplicity of batteries.  My only previous experience with circular saws were the old 18v dewalt cordless which were pretty much garbage.  

I had been going back and forth between the 575 and 570 as cpo dropped the price to $150 and $130.   When I looked today I see they have a free 6.0 battery with the 570 as well as free shipping.  I really want to pull the trigger on the 570 but after reading this review I kind of got scared that maybe I should be getting the 575.

@BiggieThis is the first time I’ve read anyone say a bad word about the 570. Everything else I’ve read puts it slightly ahead of the 2731, which up to the point the rear handle big boys were released was considered the best cordless saw on the market. 

I have had the 570 since it first came out, and it has been a great saw maybe the one he got does not work right. I have had none of the problems he listed as being wrong with it

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Biggie wrote:

2 hours ago, Biggie said:

Really how bad is this saw?  I’ve been debating getting a circular saw for awhile and I wasn’t real sure which way I wanted to go.  I don’t typically work with wood but I have a few shelving projects I want to do around the house and at my business we occasionally we do some concrete flat work where we form with 2×6 wood forms.  I know the 575 is more than capable for my needs and I have a few flexvolt batteries but we have two trucks running on 20v at work so I would prefer to stay in the 20v just for simplicity of batteries.  My only previous experience with circular saws were the old 18v dewalt cordless which were pretty much garbage.  

 

I had been going back and forth between the 575 and 570 as cpo dropped the price to $150 and $130.   When I looked today I see they have a free 6.0 battery with the 570 as well as free shipping.  I really want to pull the trigger on the 570 but after reading this review I kind of got scared that maybe I should be getting the 575.

If you’ve already got the batteries, get a 575 having more power doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll use it all the time, but the saw will take less stress and last longer. 

The 570 was arguably one of the best 18v circular saws on the market until the gen 2 fuel. It was never as good as the 575. The new gen 2 cuts faster than the 575 which is impressive. I wonder if it can cut faster than the Makita rear handle or the 577. Those 2 saw can beat a mag 77.

Jronman wrote:

3 hours ago, Jronman said:

The 570 was arguably one of the best 18v circular saws on the market until the gen 2 fuel. It was never as good as the 575. The new gen 2 cuts faster than the 575 which is impressive.

That remains to be seen when they have matching batteries. 

Wtf Dewalt? I would be one of those early adoptors who feels a bit slighted…I really like my 20v 7-1/4 too…

Well I went ahead and ordered a 570 but I was watching a youtube video review and a guy said he thinks his has killed some 5 amp hour batteries and thinks you shouldn’t run anything under a 6.0.  Has anyone else had an issue with the saw killing batteries or did this guy just have some bad luck.

overanalyze wrote:

1 hour ago, overanalyze said:

Wtf Dewalt? I would be one of those early adoptors who feels a bit slighted…I really like my 20v 7-1/4 too…

Same here bro!

Biggie wrote:

Well I went ahead and ordered a 570 but I was watching a youtube video review and a guy said he thinks his has killed some 5 amp hour batteries and thinks you shouldn’t run anything under a 6.0.  Has anyone else had an issue with the saw killing batteries or did this guy just have some bad luck.

I have used 3, 4, & 5’s. Just depends on how hard you are using it.

That’s kind of what I figured.  I’m at a point with batteries where if I feel a power loss and the batteries at 1 bar I typically just change it versus trying to get that last bit of runtime out of the battery.  Its just not worth killing a battery especially if i know ill need a new battery anyhow.  That and I wont push this saw like a carpenter would.

Sounds like today at work. The one guy had all his batteries depleted and needing of a charge then another guy brought his 2 batteries to use then those needed recharging. The only other guy who brought batteries to work had his 2 blocks away. 

That saw 570 is  fine for diy or cross cuts, the 575 is equal to the Makita rear handle and is  all anyone needs it will rip no problem….if your a framer or ripping a lot of ply or lvl…577 can’t be beat by anything….

You guys can buy anything you like.
I posted a very honest account of what I experienced.
Today I was ripping 16’ treated boards with my 6 1/2”. It did the job. As I was ripping them, I was thinking how the 7 1/4” would have never even compared.

I’ll go with the flexvolt.

If it works for you, great. Not for us.
My brother in law thinks the saw is great. He is extremely happy.

Maybe we did get a bad one.


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Framer joe wrote:

On 6/11/2018 at 6:19 PM, Framer joe said:

That saw 570 is  fine for diy or cross cuts, the 575 is equal to the Makita rear handle and is  all anyone needs it will rip no problem….if your a framer or ripping a lot of ply or lvl…577 can’t be beat by anything….

I’ve read a lot of comments online about the 577 being more difficult to make a straight rip with than the Makita rear handle because of the weight distribution/bulk. Any thoughts on that? Apparently replacing the stock blade with one thicker than a leaf of paper helps but doesn’t completely solve the issue. Sitting on the fence waiting for a breeze to push me to yellow or teal lol. 

@Bremon….trust me there is no issue cutting..straight..bevels..ripping…or weight…again this is a serious saw,made for serious use, designed for framing everyday….Coming from a guy who hates left blade saws. .i use the makita rear handle everyday and this 577…really is no competition…the 577 is unmatched in any category.

     I would say it’s strength is power and straight long cuts, I seek it out to cut rafters and stair stringers….the rest of the time the 575 is in my hands…love that saw…

    I will buy and try the new Milwaukee when it’s out , just to see the hype…

i use diablo tracking point blades only..best damn blades for cordless saws,thanks to you…

Whoa…..is that model number? Dcs570b?? I neet 4 please. Dewalt store us 2 miles away. Will call 1st thing.

builditguy wrote:

Just got the 20v 7 1/4” circular saw.
It has a rafter hook. I didn’t know they came with one.
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You have no idea

Jronman wrote:

How much do people even use rafter hooks?

It’s a beast. Have 2. Cut out all day. 9.0 gets 175+/- if cross cutting 2*10-12 wet PT.

builditguy wrote:

I’ll probably get one of the flex volt.
Same battery platform. Sort of.


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You git Lefty cordless 7 1/4 or rightie 7 1/4

overanalyze wrote:

Wtf Dewalt? I would be one of those early adoptors who feels a bit slighted…I really like my 20v 7-1/4 too…

builditguy wrote:

You guys can buy anything you like.
I posted a very honest account of what I experienced.
Today I was ripping 16’ treated boards with my 6 1/2”. It did the job. As I was ripping them, I was thinking how the 7 1/4” would have never even compared.

I’ll go with the flexvolt.

If it works for you, great. Not for us.
My brother in law thinks the saw is great. He is extremely happy.

Maybe we did get a bad one.


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Mostly we have 5ah batteries.  About 10 in each truck.  They have always done fine in the 6 1/2″ 20v Dewalt.  I can’t say exactly which battery we were using, but I’m sure it was a 5ah.  I used it myself. I would have noticed if it were a 6ah.  They are noticeably bigger.Ther 

The saw just didn’t have as much power as the 6 1/2 , 20v DeWalts.  

I’ve seen that others have no issue.  That is good for them.

Interestingly, I was looking for a new flexvolt 7 1/4″ and started reading reviews, on Amazon.  Apparently I’m not the only one that experience this.

I should add, the reviews were in the 7 1/4” 20v.
Not the flexvolt.
People were making comparisons.


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builditguy wrote:

I should add, the reviews were in the 7 1/4” 20v.

Not the flexvolt.

People were making comparisons.

 

 

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Put a flexvolt battery on your 20 V saw.

It makes all the difference.

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builditguy wrote:

Mostly we have 5ah batteries.  About 10 in each truck.  They have always done fine in the 6 1/2″ 20v Dewalt.  I can’t say exactly which battery we were using, but I’m sure it was a 5ah.  I used it myself. I would have noticed if it were a 6ah.  They are noticeably bigger.Ther 
 
The saw just didn’t have as much power as the 6 1/2 , 20v DeWalts.  
 
I’ve seen that others have no issue.  That is good for them.
 
Interestingly, I was looking for a new flexvolt 7 1/4″ and started reading reviews, on Amazon.  Apparently I’m not the only one that experience this.

I had posted that my brother in law thought the saw was great.  I saw him this weekend.  He decided it is junk.  He went back to the 6 1/2″

builditguy wrote:

I had posted that my brother in law thought the saw was great.  I saw him this weekend.  He decided it is junk.  He went back to the 6 1/2″

The.Handyman wrote:

1 hour ago, The.Handyman said:

And why did he decide it was junk?

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And to go back to the 6.5…that atrocious brick.