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I say they have a 12ah battery,but higher tech then Dewalt’s.
I think fv is already higher tech than Milwaukee, doubtful Milwaukee has more than a 12 version of their current 9, and probably a handful of “high demand” m18 fuel tools to compete with fv an x2.Framer joe wrote:
I say they have a 12ah battery,but higher tech then Dewalt’s.
They gotta go big this year, as FV is just dominating the construction industry.
They’ve harped to long on the higher voltage and dual platforms, if they’re not willing to watch their words they’re going to need to remarket and accept that these new technologies have been incredibly well received and the public in general either doesn’t care about their PSA’s disclaiming higher voltage, or they’re actually informed enough to know the real benefits. Either way, milwaukee has painted themselves into a tight corner of unwillingness to step outside or modify the fuel line. Hoping to be surprised, though lol [emoji106]Framer joe wrote:
They gotta go big this year, as FV is just dominating the construction industry.
You have to take into consideration the tools and the tech that are available when you listen to their marketing people trash talking. There’s no way that they’re going to come out and say “yeah, the new x2 and FV tools are amazing – wish we had that.” No, of course they’re going to say “we don’t need it – we can do just fine with 18V, oh and look at our shiny new biggest and baddest 9AH battery.”
Now, they can say “we’ve taken our time to do it right and come out with the new X4 system – uses 4 batteries that are 16 AH each!” (or whatever they’re going to announce). Just look at Packout. They took their time and came out with a system that’s really nice, really expensive and was really late to the game. Still, there are plenty of people that are buying it.
I don’t think they’re trying to be everything to everyone, but from what I’ve seen in past years, Milwaukee is definitely not content to be a me too company that announces the same thing that everyone else is already doing.
Only time will tell…
I bet they come out with a compact m18 3.0 battery. I imagine 21700 or 20700 will be used. 12Ah too.
Hoping to see a X2 platform also.
Akin to metabo? That’d be a little wind out of their sails, lol still, I hope everyone jumps on that[emoji106]BMack37 wrote:
I bet they come out with a compact m18 3.0 battery. I imagine 21700 or 20700 will be used. 12Ah too.
Hoping to see a X2 platform also.
Framer joe wrote:
On 2018-04-25 at 7:59 PM, Framer joe said:I say they have a 12ah battery,but higher tech then Dewalt’s.
How will they do that? They were talking last year of skipping 20700 cells and jumping to 21700s to leapfrog the industry. Dewalt’s 20v Max 3.0 compact and FlexVolt 4.0/12.0 both use 21700 cells. So…still more catchup from Milwaukee this year. At least everyone can look forward to a red chainsaw lol.
I’m no tech guy @Bremon you know that. But they Must have something more then a 36v battery that works in all 18v existing tools and newer 36v tools ? That wouldn’t even match Flexvolt, and it’s kinda like 2x 18 Makita….which still doesn’t match up to Flexvolt….even 2x 36 wouldn’t power a 10” tablesaw,I think…
it will be interesting to see for sure. If 1 thing I learned from you and the forum is don’t get your hopes up for a huge breakthrough show for any company especially Dewalt….I just lucked out that Flexvolt was my first experience with these shows, being new to the forum over a year ago…
Double (2x36v ) Tools ?
Looking forward to what will come from this show. I will guess a cordless framing nailer will be shown. And for the big news hinted at from e-mails A new higher voltage line not compatible with m18 so people have something to bitch about and decide they have to switch platforms as they are so offended.
You don’t know how eletricimuty works huh?Framer joe wrote:
I’m no tech guy [mention=49609]Bremon[/mention] you know that. But they Must have something more then a 36v battery that works in all 18v existing tools and newer 36v tools ? That wouldn’t even match Flexvolt, and it’s kinda like 2x 18 Makita….which still doesn’t match up to Flexvolt….even 2x 36 wouldn’t power a 10” tablesaw,I think…it will be interesting to see for sure. If 1 thing I learned from you and the forum is don’t get your hopes up for a huge breakthrough show for any company especially Dewalt….I just lucked out that Flexvolt was my first experience with these shows, being new to the forum over a year ago…
Double (2x36v ) Tools ?
1/2 HP motor = 373 watts
1 HP = 746 watts
So let’s play.
373 watts @ 56 volts = 6a
373 watts @ 36 volts = 10.3A
See how that works? Lower voltage can do the same amount of work. Higher voltage = lower current, Higher current = Lower voltage. As long as the current is available, it can certainly do exactly the same work.
Saying that you can’t run a saw because it isn’t a DeWalt fake 60volt is just wrong. It’s ignorant.
#ohmslaw
Higher voltage is definitely better, lower current means smaller wire, lower heat etc. But you get the idea.
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I think the big advantage with high voltage batteries running lower amperage is you can get away with cheaper smaller gauge wiring to carry the juice whereas lower voltage systems are more prone to needing heavier gauge wire to keep impedance, as well as heat, down. But yeah 60v vs 18v is academic when the underlying battery tech is using the same or similar 3.6v cells in different configurations.
But 60v is three times + better than 18v! 😉 I think the real world advantage of Dewalts flexvolt is 60×2= easy and convenient adaption to mains power. For table and miter saws that once set up remain static for the actual work most of the time it is handy…
current m18 tools have enough power for me .
i prefer smaller and lighter over bulky portable tools .
dewalt flexvolt battery is huge . its kind of stupid putting this battery on a drill or an impact .
so you got to have both flexvolt and regular batteries .
same for Milwaukee 9ah battery , i have one and never used it on any of my portable tools , maybe once or twice on a grinder . dont mind putting it on a static light , compressor or saw (if they will be available).
sss wrote:
3 hours ago, sss said:current m18 tools have enough power for me .
i prefer smaller and lighter over bulky portable tools .
dewalt flexvolt battery is huge . its kind of stupid putting this battery on a drill or an impact .
so you got to have both flexvolt and regular batteries .
same for Milwaukee 9ah battery , i have one and never used it on any of my portable tools , maybe once or twice on a grinder . dont mind putting it on a static light , compressor or saw (if they will be available).
I’d love a compact line of m12 tools. Brushed or brushless, less power but small.
I’m in love with my Makita sub compacts, just picked up the 3/8 impact yesterday, and I’m hungry for any other offerings in that vein regardless of color lol first non red or yellow (cordless) I’ve owned, and won’t be the last.BMack37 wrote:
I’d love a compact line of m12 tools. Brushed or brushless, less power but small.
I bought the subcompact Drill, Impact, Recip and Rotary Hammer Drill.Moore,C. wrote:
I’m in love with my Makita sub compacts, just picked up the 3/8 impact yesterday, and I’m hungry for any other offerings in that vein regardless of color lol first non red or yellow (cordless) I’ve owned, and won’t be the last.
I.Love.Them.
Working in tight/crawl spaces, on ladders and on lifts, I like the size and weight. I don’t want a battery that weighs more than my current impact and battery combined! A flexvolt battery looks rediculous on a small tool.
If they would have went full 120v AC or DC I think Flexvolt would have been perfect for big jobsite tools.
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I think it’s inevitable if fv can stick around, full hybrid table saw will stake out my further investment in the line. But the Makitas, holy shit lol picked up the drill+impact 2 batt kit when I went back to electrical from framing, and was sold immediately. Little ¼ inch impact snapped two ⅜ adapters, so I immediately sought out the dedicated impact. Recip will be next for certain, and I’m still regularly impressed with my dch273 so I’m on the fence about the rotohammer. Still, I’ll be buying more blacked out Makita for sure.HiltiWpg wrote:
I bought the subcompact Drill, Impact, Recip and Rotary Hammer Drill.
I.Love.Them.
Working in tight/crawl spaces, on ladders and on lifts, I like the size and weight. I don’t want a battery that weighs more than my current impact and battery combined! A flexvolt battery looks rediculous on a small tool.
If they would have went full 120v AC or DC I think Flexvolt would have been perfect for big jobsite tools.
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Moore,C. wrote:
I think it’s inevitable if fv can stick around, full hybrid table saw will stake out my further investment in the line. But the Makitas, holy shit lol picked up the drill+impact 2 batt kit when I went back to electrical from framing, and was sold immediately. Little ¼ inch impact snapped two ⅜ adapters, so I immediately sought out the dedicated impact. Recip will be next for certain, and I’m still regularly impressed with my dch273 so I’m on the fence about the rotohammer. Still, I’ll be buying more blacked out Makita for sure.
The recip is worth it. Excellent vibration dampening, size etc. It’s a little heavy, but not too heavy to prevent precise one-handed use.
I always assumed that Flexvolt was going to be 120v. It made so much sense.
They could literally take over every commercial job site. No power, no longer problem, slap in 2 batteries and go. No Batteries, plug it in.
Table saws, chop saws, mitre saws, SDS Max.
It would have been beautiful!
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HiltiWpg wrote:
15 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:was going to be 120v. It made so much sense.
They could literally take over every commercial job site. No power, no longer problem, slap in 2 batteries and go. No Batteries, plug it in.
Table saws, chop saws, mitre saws, SDS Max.
It would have been beautiful!
I totally agree, they’re missing out on their own advantages right now and by the time they push the line others will have figured out how to compete as well. I think they were disappointed with the sales of the cordless 12in but so many people, like me, already have the DWS780 or comparable corded saw and can’t justify the upgrade until prices come down more. I’m waiting till I can sell my 780 and not take too much of a loss to go cordless. A cordless DWE7491 should have been a day 1 launch for Flex as well. 2400-3000w power station is a no-brainer now that the 12’s are coming too.
BMack37 wrote:
On 4/28/2018 at 2:52 PM, BMack37 said:
I’d love a compact line of m12 tools. Brushed or brushless, less power but small.
i cant agree more, i have most of my fuel 12 volt tools re-bought, they do 80% of my work now, you put the six ah battery on and you you got one hell of a small tool the only time my dewalt 18 volts get used now is when im driving 3 inch screws or more, big lags, or drilling large holes. yeah, the 18 are getting smaller but you still have to have that big brick on the bottom to get the full potential of the tool. the 18 volts are too much gun for alot of the work we do. we on working on a composite deck now, with one inch decking, most of the screwing is hidden fastners [ small screws], but there are are some areas we have to use 2.5 inch plugged face screwing, my partner has to put his fuel 18v on 3 or 4 setting to have any real speed benifit over my 12v fuel.on 4 he was maybe 1 second faster, on 3 it was less than a second, if that is important, 4 setting could not be used he lost all “feeling” for the screw. home depot has the dual battery makita grinder on display, i couldnt help but laugh, that thing is so huge it should have wheels. dewalt has the right idea on there big saws, battery or plug in, thats a deal maker for me,
From what I have been hearing…. a 12.0 battery and a new circular saw. The performance with the battery should increase, obviously. Table saw too? I have been hearing about it, but Milwaukee isn’t known for their woodworking stuff, so maybe this is a start?
FB82
I have seen predictions for a worm style/rear handle saw.
They better have more than all this catch-up planned.
From my reliable source. Not sure if all of this will be released now, but this is what he was chatting with me about.
1. Table Saw
2. 1/2″ impact wrench 12V
3. New Circular Saw (non worm drive)
4. New Sawzall
5. Pack out with drawers?
6. 12amp battery
FrosBros82 wrote:
55 minutes ago, FrosBros82 said:From my reliable source. Not sure if all of this will be released now, but this is what he was chatting with me about.
1. Table Saw
2. 1/2″ impact wrench 12V
3. New Circular Saw (non worm drive)
4. New Sawzall
5. Pack out with drawers?
6. 12amp battery
plus chainsaw, more carbide, and 21700 cells.
A new recip saw sounds interesting. One with longer stroke, more spm, and orbital would be nice. I don’t think Milwaukee is going to let Makita keep the title for best cordless hd recip saw for much longer.
New circ saw has my attention but otherwise that list is a lot of catch up. Maybe we will see a Fuel Super Sawzall? 36v 6.0/12.0 orbital beast?
I guess a m12 1/2 impact wrench was something I hadn’t given much thought about, I just hope they make it smaller. The current m12 model is a quite a bit longer than the m18. I was hoping for the gen 2 impact driver size but I guess I’ll just have to wait and see what they release.
I don’t really see it as catchup because Milwaukee still has a ton of stuff Dewalt doesn’t…the 21700 cells aren’t really catchup because Dewalt just came out with them, I haven’t seen them in stores. Milwaukee could have announced it first but they waited a month for their event…that’s more semantics than catchup.
I’m sure there will be some tools that have been released by other manufacturers first but Milwaukee tends to also release things that no one has thought of bringing to market.
New bags/totes.
Packout with drawers.
Jigsaws PLEASE!
M12 Surge maybe?
M12 Fuel gen 2 screwgun
Updated m12 rotary tool
Plumbing and automotive tools have been a theme the past few years
Outside the box:
M18 Power hammer (like an air hammer) and/or other pneumatic replacement tools for metal work
Surge impact wrenches?
Torque wrenches
That’s my point; let’s see other stuff that other brands don’t have. Let’s see “disruptive innovation”. Cool stuff like the transfer pump, compact inflator, etc. that I can’t get in yellow, teal, etc. instead of making such a big push into areas they aren’t traditionally any good at. If they want to push into woodworking then I’ll be looking forward to NPS’21 when they get all the bugs out. Maybe I’m getting old and jaded, or I’m spoiled by having multiple brands of batteries but seeing an inferior red version of a product doesn’t excite me as much as seeing something Milwaukee does really well being updated to be even further ahead of the curve.
Let’s not pretend Milwaukee hasn’t had their fair share of announcements-of-announcements. One Key being hyped to hell and back, and waiting basically a year for the 9.0. Their foray into woodworking has had one quality tool; the compact mitre, maybe their new sander. The idea of them making a table saw instills me with no confidence at all. I say this as someone who bought a gen 1 M18 blower and someone who was initially excited for the Fuel nailers.
Gen 2 Hawgs or a new super Sawzall or stuff no one else has done better would be more exciting to me than any new M18 woodworking tools. Hopefully lots of M12 refreshes; the 12v segment is one of the things Milwaukee does right.
I’d like to see a subcompact 18v line of tools with the size of gen 2 m12 but with more power and use of m18 batteries. Makita had the right idea with subcompact but lacked in performance when compared to gen 2 m12.
Bremon wrote:
2 hours ago, Bremon said:That’s my point; let’s see other stuff that other brands don’t have. Let’s see “disruptive innovation”. Cool stuff like the transfer pump, compact inflator, etc. that I can’t get in yellow, teal, etc. instead of making such a big push into areas they aren’t traditionally any good at. If they want to push into woodworking then I’ll be looking forward to NPS’21 when they get all the bugs out. Maybe I’m getting old and jaded, or I’m spoiled by having multiple brands of batteries but seeing an inferior red version of a product doesn’t excite me as much as seeing something Milwaukee does really well being updated to be even further ahead of the curve.
Let’s not pretend Milwaukee hasn’t had their fair share of announcements-of-announcements. One Key being hyped to hell and back, and waiting basically a year for the 9.0. Their foray into woodworking has had one quality tool; the compact mitre, maybe their new sander. The idea of them making a table saw instills me with no confidence at all. I say this as someone who bought a gen 1 M18 blower and someone who was initially excited for the Fuel nailers.
Gen 2 Hawgs or a new super Sawzall or stuff no one else has done better would be more exciting to me than any new M18 woodworking tools. Hopefully lots of M12 refreshes; the 12v segment is one of the things Milwaukee does right.
Hear hear! I now have two 9.0 batteries, a fast charger, the transfer pump and the miter. Not interested in too much else but all specific tools that I think will help me out where others may be lacking. I am still I terested in the Makita miter but the Milwaukee seems really nice though I have not used it yet. I will do so this weekend for an outdoor project specifically why I got it, size and weight and compactness.
I see some hoping for a M12 Fuel 1/2″ impact, i`ve had that for about 3 years.
So gonna get disappointed if thats presented as a “news” at NPS2018 😀
But a stronger gen.2 would be nice.
The US never got the 1/2″ gen 1. Which with only 117ft/lbs I don’t know how necessary it really is. I assume the gen 2 impact wrench will come in 1/2″, 3/8″, and 1/4″ in the US and yes hopefully stronger and smaller.
lets see if this makes it here this year
I wouldn’t mind this. Bosch and others did it I don’t see why Milwaukee can’t.
regopit wrote:
10 hours ago, regopit said:lets see if this makes it here this year
That offset head or eccentric chuck that Festool calls it, is the most useful thing you can have on a drill. Absolutely awesome.
Gen 3 Fuel drill has me flabbergasted. Looks cool but wow, they really are reiterating quicker than ever in Brookfield. HO 6.0 and 12.0 look good. Super Sawzall makes me happy. I’ll need more info on table saw.
Gen 3 impact is .05” smaller than Makita lol. Table saw looks like a red copy/paste of FlexVolt; same blade size, same fence (good decision on rack and pinion). 9” grinder looks wild, and a 1” impact wrench lol. Pretty impressed so far with what I’ve seen.
any word if multi chuck drill is coming?
Also the new 1/2 in m12 impact wrench looks funny to me.
So nothing out of this world….12ah..same table saw.as Dewalt…Super sawzall? Have to see the reviews, probably will be the best ever, but heavy…no way the new circ saw comes close to the 575 especially the 577….surprised they didn’t do a rear handle saw…is metabo’s grinder a 9” ? ….1” impact? That’s the first…….game changer , nah ,but some cool tools,
I was right about no new battery platform and I was a bit skeptical about the updated batteries but so far it seems like it is performing well. A lot of the new stuff was expected but those jigsaw were updated out of the blue. I don’t think anyone saw them coming.
I’m more excited about that m12 1/2in stubby impact wrench as well as the new M12 rocket tower light
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New circ saw allegedly more powerful than the 575, but can’t say if they ran a 6.0 or a 9.0 FlexVolt pack on it. 12.0 will have something to say as well.
Somewhat affordable hybrid Rocket light and new Fuel backpack vac, D handle and barrel grip jig saws have me pretty excited!
So did they release a m12 gen 2 impact wrench I looked and didn’t see it anywhere?
Never mind I found a picture. 250 ft/lbs of nut busting should give it similar power to the m18 compact impact wrench, which is fricken awsome.
Also is that a m12 cut off/grinder I see?
Jronman wrote:
8 hours ago, Jronman said:A lot of the new stuff was expected but those jigsaw were updated out of the blue. I don’t think anyone saw them coming.
What did you see about Milwaukee updating their Jigsaws? I was hoping they would have done it last year. They are still missing a cordless router.
The gen 3 impact is nice and all but do I really need more power in an impact driver? My 1800 in/lb DeWALT does everything I need it to. I would much rather Milwaukee go in the direction as Makita for impacts. I would rather have more control/finesse/specialty modes than MORE POWA! tm. Just about everyone is going the multi led route on impact drivers. Was disappointing Milwaukee didn’t. The speed and size reduction are excellent though. Seems like the gen 3 has Makita speed now. Maybe even more. I thought the Gen 3 hammer drill driver was impressive. I’d like to see the rpm and power numbers. Milwaukee claims faster speed but is it the 3000+rpm you get with some of the premium German brands?
SetBuilder wrote:
2 minutes ago, SetBuilder said:
What did you see about Milwaukee updating their Jigsaws? I was hoping they would have done it last year. They are still missing a cordless router.
Yeah they announced 2 new fuel jigsaws. One d handle and one barrel grip. They look nice. I never saw anything about new jigsaws before today. It caught me by surprise.
The new drills are on milwaukeetool.com and it says 60% more power and 2x faster under heavy load but the specs are 1200ft/lbs and 2000rpm which is identical to the gen2 so I’m not sure how they’re comparing.
I’m also kind of over the impact driver war but smaller is always better and it’s only a matter of time before I own one. I still hope they expand on the surge, plenty of power for 90% of the fastners I use and it’s much quieter.