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It was already shown in australia/instagram with a few pictures and a small video a few months ago but now we have confirmed specifications:
Exact same stats as corded model HR4013C ( Which was chosen as best SDS Max in Toolboxbuzz SDS Max rotary comparison http://www.toolboxbuzz.com/head-to-head/best-sds-rotary-hammer-drill-head-to-head-testing/ )
- 8 Joules of hitting power: gives it 30% more power then Dewalt and Milwaukee cordless SDS Max offerings.
- Makita AVT for lowest vibrations in its class.
- AWS – Auto Wireless System : Get cordless Vacuum auto On/Off function withh upcoming Makita Vacs
looks amazing. I won’t be getting it just because i’m broke but I would still love to add it to my collection.
Kornomaniac, any more scoops on the cordless nail guns? I looked up the manual for the 16 gauge that you mentioned before. It looks awesome. Any idea when it’s supposed to come out and if there is an 18 gauge close behind? I’m saving my next purchase for that since it’s what I need the most since selling my compressor.
danielicrazy wrote:
1 hour ago, danielicrazy said:looks amazing. I won’t be getting it just because i’m broke but I would still love to add it to my collection.
Kornomaniac, any more scoops on the cordless nail guns? I looked up the manual for the 16 gauge that you mentioned before. It looks awesome. Any idea when it’s supposed to come out and if there is an 18 gauge close behind? I’m saving my next purchase for that since it’s what I need the most since selling my compressor.
No idea. I’m Abit baffled why it hasn’t been released yet. Most of the times: when the manuals start to get translated and appear online the tools follow rather close.
But that dbn600 manual has been out for 6 months or so but still be sign of the tool.
I’m gonna take a guess that because the DBN500 18gauge was a POS they’re hopefully redesigning things ( I hope 😛 )
kornomaniac wrote:
On 11/2/2017 at 7:14 AM, kornomaniac said:Exact same stats as corded model HR4013C ( Which was chosen as best SDS Max in Toolboxbuzz SDS Max rotary comparison http://www.toolboxbuzz.com/head-to-head/best-sds-rotary-hammer-drill-head-to-head-testing/ )
- 8 Joules of hitting power: gives it 30% more power then Dewalt and Milwaukee cordless SDS Max offerings.
That’s not strictly true korno 😉
8 J @ 2900 BPM is 21% more power than the Dewalt with 6.1 J @ 3150 BPM, even less over the FUEL specs, though the Dewalt is actually more powerful. We all know how misleading specs can be!
The Makita will likely be the hardest hitter for chipping.
Should have called it hitting power then 🙂
Specs can definitely be misleading… The Makita XRH05 is listed as having 3J of impact energy, and the DHR264 is listed as having 2.5J of impact energy, even when they are the same tool. I checked, even the spare parts numbers for the motor parts match.
Or different standards between EU/us perhaps ? 🙂
Im thinking its something similar to DeWalts “20V Max”. 3J on fully charged batteries, 2.5J on average…
Edit: Alse the RPM and BPM are listed higher on XRH05… So im definitely thinking they are listing the best case scenario. When using the tool, you can definitely feel it slowing down a lot just before the low battery lights turn on.
SDS max rotary hammers are not yet ready for batteries. And probably never will because of the large amount of torque they need.
Batteries can’t even power the SDS plus ones.
I have the DHR243 and drilled two 18mm holes with a 3Ah battery. After the 1st hole the tool was struggling, and when it finished the 2nd hole, the battery was discharged.
Battery-powered rotary hammers are a joke compared to corded hammers. It’s nice to be cordless, but not at the cost of having a useless tool. Same goes for angle-grinders, except those can be at least used to cut thin stuff, maybe even some _very_ light grinding.
People need to stop jumping in the cordless bandwagon just because of the hype, and without any thinking about the practical side.
I’d love to have all my tools cordless, but let’s be honest, there’s no battery technology that could make that feasible in the near future. Li-ion have serious limitations and they can not provide the large amount of power needed for 1000+ watt tools. Unless you build a battery with 10kg worth of cells, which is impractical. And all this with high drain cells, which die very fast compared to “normal” 500-cycle cells. That’s probably why most tool batteries die so fast
kat wrote:
1 hour ago, kat said:SDS max rotary hammers are not yet ready for batteries. And probably never will because of the large amount of torque they need.
Batteries can’t even power the SDS plus ones.
I have the DHR243 and drilled two 18mm holes with a 3Ah battery. After the 1st hole the tool was struggling, and when it finished the 2nd hole, the battery was discharged.
Battery-powered rotary hammers are a joke compared to corded hammers. It’s nice to be cordless, but not at the cost of having a useless tool. Same goes for angle-grinders, except those can be at least used to cut thin stuff, maybe even some _very_ light grinding.
People need to stop jumping in the cordless bandwagon just because of the hype, and without any thinking about the practical side.
I’d love to have all my tools cordless, but let’s be honest, there’s no battery technology that could make that feasible in the near future. Li-ion have serious limitations and they can not provide the large amount of power needed for 1000+ watt tools. Unless you build a battery with 10kg worth of cells, which is impractical. And all this with high drain cells, which die very fast compared to “normal” 500-cycle cells. That’s probably why most tool batteries die so fast
If that’s what you want to believe, go ahead.
Maybe you’d want to retry your 18mm test with something else then a ancient drill design ( close to 6 years) and an ancient battery ( 8 year old ?), With a drill size actually within the intended range of the drill you are using.
It willgive you a better perspective on things.
OZtooltalk are gonna post a very extensive comparison review this weekend of all high end SDS plus and SDS Max cordless drills currently on the market.
They have included runtime tests I believe.
This review will show us if cordless SDS Max tools have a chance 🙂
kat wrote:
5 hours ago, kat said:SDS max rotary hammers are not yet ready for batteries. And probably never will because of the large amount of torque they need.
Batteries can’t even power the SDS plus ones.
I have the DHR243 and drilled two 18mm holes with a 3Ah battery. After the 1st hole the tool was struggling, and when it finished the 2nd hole, the battery was discharged.
Battery-powered rotary hammers are a joke compared to corded hammers. It’s nice to be cordless, but not at the cost of having a useless tool. Same goes for angle-grinders, except those can be at least used to cut thin stuff, maybe even some _very_ light grinding.
People need to stop jumping in the cordless bandwagon just because of the hype, and without any thinking about the practical side.
I’d love to have all my tools cordless, but let’s be honest, there’s no battery technology that could make that feasible in the near future. Li-ion have serious limitations and they can not provide the large amount of power needed for 1000+ watt tools. Unless you build a battery with 10kg worth of cells, which is impractical. And all this with high drain cells, which die very fast compared to “normal” 500-cycle cells. That’s probably why most tool batteries die so fast
Hahaha you again.
Your comment show last your knowledge. What are you talking about ? An sds max isn’t ready for batteries ?
I can run my dewalt 54v sds max all day no problem, drilling 1” hole x 180mm deep. I do have a fair batteries but, so that’s the limitation. I can run cordless grinders all day no problem
I too find it kind of funny saying current battery technology isn’t there for these tools while using 3.0 batteries.
Everyone uses tools for different applications. If you’re drilling large holes one after another all day yes a cordless probably isn’t there yet. But for the 95% of construction workers that aren’t using them like that cordless are very capable of drilling large diameter holes and very convenient.
Same with grinders, there are very few people who couldn’t find a cordless replacement if they wanted to. I do millwright and ironwork and I no longer carry a corded grinder.
kat wrote:
11 hours ago, kat said:.
I have the DHR243 and drilled two 18mm holes with a 3Ah battery. After the 1st hole the tool was struggling, and when it finished the 2nd hole, the battery was discharged.
And you also seem to be full of shit with your 2 holes. Freshly drilled. Last hole was halfway
@kornomaniac
we knew it was bs. I don’t know why that person opens their month
Why so aggressive? I’m just stating facts, or at least my views based on my experience.
kornomaniac: I’m not full of shit, that’s what happened. If you managed to get 7 holes, good for you, but take into account that I drilled my holes in my house to get 2 pipes through them, not in some test plate.
It seems to be that most of these new cordless tools are marketed towards hobbyists, and not professionals. And it’s pretty obvious why: hobbyists are very enthusiastic about new technologies and they often use emotions when making decisions. Perfect customers 🙂
Professional on the other hand, don’t care about tech, they simply want a tool to do its job, so the only things that matter to them are real-world performance (not the paper specs or irrelevant results from youtube review videos) and costs-to-performance ratio. I don’t live in the US, so I don’t know what professionals use right now there, but in Europe “heavy” cordless tools are rarely present on job sites. And for a good reason: they are unable to perform nearly as well as corded tools.
Well you are staying facts based on your ( as it seems from your replies ) very limited knowledge on what exists in cordless tools and what the possibilities are.
Your 18mm drill example was a good example. 6 year old tech with a bit size higher then the intended use. So the problem is more with your expectations of 6 year old tech. 6 year kinda means ancient on terms of cordless powertool.
If you would have done your 18mm drilling with say, a higher end milwaukee SDS or the flexvolt SDS your experience would have been alot better. Because those are new tools with high capacity batteries which have gone a long way since Makita introduced their dhr243 in 2012 🙂
You can complain that Makita should get a move on and update their cordless SDS and you are totally right 😀
I don’t know what part of Europe you live in but in Belgium ( I’m a Makita/Bosch/Festool dealer myself in Bree, Belgium ) cordless tools outsell corded for the professionals.
It’s hobbyist who, most of the time, do not want to pay the extra for the cordless option. It’s the pros who kinda hate the cords that buy cordless gear.
Even more important: people ( also pros ) have to be informed about a tools capacity. If someone comes into my store and needs to drill 18mm holes I will never ever present him the dhr243. That’s not the right tool for the job. An occasional hole now and then, sure. But that’s the max.
The newer 9 inch grinder Makita makes.( 2000 watt mind you ). It’s a very powerfull tool with a small runtime. That doesn’t make it usefull for everyone but there are also ALOT of tradies who need a grinder this size now and then. For them the cordless 9 inch option is an excellent idea. I’ve not had any negative remarks on the 9″ grinder yet because all the people I have sold it to know what to expect in the runtime department.
FYI the x2 Makita drill was listed as both 2.5 J and 3.0 J on the Australian website until recently. I questioned them on it, and they changed it to be 2.5 J. They said the discrepancy was the difference between how they rated it internally, and the standardised (international?) way of rating impact.
I think that cordless SDS drills are awesome, and can be just as powerful as their counterparts. But I do concede that they suck the juice, so you need a fair arsenal of batteries if you want to use them continuously.
dwain wrote:
1 hour ago, dwain said:FYI the x2 Makita drill was listed as both 2.5 J and 3.0 J on the Australian website until recently. I questioned them on it, and they changed it to be 2.5 J. They said the discrepancy was the difference between how they rated it internally, and the standardised (international?) way of rating impact.
I think that cordless SDS drills are awesome, and can be just as powerful as their counterparts. But I do concede that they suck the juice, so you need a fair arsenal of batteries if you want to use them continuously.
Yea, you need atleast 6 batteries and two twin chargers to keep the Makita 18v x2 rotary hammer going on all day while removing tiles… 8 batteries would be even better. Been there, done that. My boss was skeptic about it, and insisted that I take a company corded Bosch with me as backup. Didn’t take it out of the case. I was using 8 5Ah batteries.
aessu wrote:
59 minutes ago, aessu said:Yea, you need atleast 6 batteries and two twin chargers to keep the Makita 18v x2 rotary hammer going on all day while removing tiles… 8 batteries would be even better. Been there, done that. My boss was skeptic about it, and insisted that I take a company corded Bosch with me as backup. Didn’t take it out of the case. I was using 8 5Ah batteries.
And we’ll that also an ancient inefficient drill 🙂 a more modern drill would have done better 😀
dwain wrote:
2 hours ago, dwain said:FYI the x2 Makita drill was listed as both 2.5 J and 3.0 J on the Australian website until recently. I questioned them on it, and they changed it to be 2.5 J. They said the discrepancy was the difference between how they rated it internally, and the standardised (international?) way of rating impact.
Hehe sounds familiar. I’ve corrected many mistakes on the Belgium Makita website 😀
Hi @kat..I can understand your point and the points made after your comment. I’m a framer in the USA, east coast. I can say unequivocally that cordless tools are ready and in some cases have more power and perform better then there corded counterpart. Runtime is a concern, so anyone embarking on a cordless platform knows that multiple batteries are a must.and the best blades for the job…
…The problems with tripped breakers and a fight for outlets or no power at all ,lends itself to the use of cordless tools. The convenience and safety factors outway any down side to cordless tools, at least for our companies. Makita makes some great cordless tools, very innovative company. I’m a Dewalt guy, but thought I’d chime in on the performance of cordless tools…Best of luck…
I have to wonder who thinks 3ah batteries are the best choice for a rotary hammer. I wonder more so who gets off on rubbishing the performance.
It’s like you expect it to perform brilliantly but when it doesn’t you exaggerate your claim anyway. Lol.
I use 5 or 6ah batteries with mine. I’d still like a larger capacity but I can get a couple of days out of a 6 with pretty constant use and running the vacuum attachment.
Anyone see the sds shoot out on “oz tool”..Hilti reins supreme on a 5yr old sds..of course 2x the price of the other brands…..Makita had the best value and of course the other results are there also….
I was expecting the Makita to get totally completly trashed seeing it’s 8isch years old. But it did ok-isch. Just don’t drill outside it’s rated capacity 🙂
Framer joe wrote:
3 hours ago, Framer joe said:Anyone see the sds shoot out on “oz tool”..Hilti reins supreme on a 5yr old sds..of course 2x the price of the other brands…..Makita had the best value and of course the other results are there also….
Trouble is, the hilti I’ve had don’t last as long as they should for what they cost. Just sold off all the hilti batteries I had left because it was just too expensive to repair the drill. I’ve had two TEA cordless die of the same issue in about 6 years. Considering a kit is the best chunk of £1000, if this is an on going problem, the only time it makes sense financially is when you’re in charge of a gang of men and you use Hilti fleet services. For the one man band however, I’m not going to them again. I’ve had too many tools, that cost too much money, with too many problems.
kornomaniac wrote:
I was expecting the Makita to get totally completly trashed seeing it’s 8isch years old. But it did ok-isch. Just don’t drill outside it’s rated capacity [emoji4]
It would have been better using the 18v Brushless !
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US model number is XRH07PTU.
HiltiWpg wrote:
13 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:
It would have been better using the 18v Brushless !
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Nah not really 🙂 that’s still slower with noticably less runtime 🙂
I really wish that Makita had of had their new models out already for the comparison. Unfortunately the nature of a comparison is that you’ll always catch some brands with new releases while others are near the end of their lifecycle.
It does feel like Makita have rarely/never had brand new releases in our comparisons though …… need to change that sometime.
dwain wrote:
9 minutes ago, dwain said:It does feel like Makita have rarely/never had brand new releases in our comparisons though …… need to change that sometime.
Frankly, I don’t think they care. They have a strong user/purchaser base globally and presumably don’t feel the need to try and compete constantly with TTI or Stanley Black and Decker. In the bigger picture, for comparisons sake, I prefer Makita to do their own market research and release something later that’s pretty often, going to work.
SchenzhenSpecial wrote:
On 11/30/2017 at 11:18 PM, SchenzhenSpecial said:
, I prefer Makita to do their own market research and release something later that’s pretty often, going to work.
The exception being the 18g Brad nailer 😛
Piece of shit 😛
I was fortunate enough to have a Makita rep load me a DHR400.
The drill itself is fantastic. Comfortable, excellent speed and effortless to use with low vibration. You momentarily forget that you are using a cordless drill, it’s that good.
The let down was the 2 5amp batteries. I was only able to drill 14 dia100@120mm deep before the unit began to cut out. Unlike the Milwaukee this unit cuts out when the battery is low rather that die out which I think is good.
In my industry that translates to installing 7 precast wall panels (2 hrs work) before changing batteries.
I suppose that if I went for this drill with 2 lots of 6amp battery packs that I should get through the day without any issues.
Next week I am trying out the Dewalt SDS max 54v with 9amp battery. I’ll post my findings then.
Well this escalated quickly at the start.
dwain wrote:
On 11/30/2017 at 4:07 PM, dwain said:It does feel like Makita have rarely/never had brand new releases in our comparisons though …… need to change that sometime.
Just gotta do an impact driver test when Makita comes out with a new model. which would probably be once every year or so haha.
Precast Erector wrote:
5 hours ago, Precast Erector said:Next week I am trying out the Dewalt SDS max 54v with 9amp battery. I’ll post my findings then.
I’d be interested in your findings. Everything I’ve seen shows the dewalt being a beast but there was a video from makita at WOC showing the new makita smoking the dewalt. I’m a little skeptical of the video but if it’s legit, it looks like makita hit a homerun.
Precast Erector wrote:
22 hours ago, Precast Erector said:I was fortunate enough to have a Makita rep load me a DHR400.
The drill itself is fantastic. Comfortable, excellent speed and effortless to use with low vibration. You momentarily forget that you are using a cordless drill, it’s that good.
The let down was the 2 5amp batteries. I was only able to drill 14 dia100@120mm deep before the unit began to cut out. Unlike the Milwaukee this unit cuts out when the battery is low rather that die out which I think is good.
In my industry that translates to installing 7 precast wall panels (2 hrs work) before changing batteries.
I suppose that if I went for this drill with 2 lots of 6amp battery packs that I should get through the day without any issues.
Next week I am trying out the Dewalt SDS max 54v with 9amp battery. I’ll post my findings then.
4 Batts in total with 1 double charger would easily keep you running all day then right ? 🙂 1 set on the charger, 1 set on the tool.
I’m getting the dhr400 second week of March.
Dewalt sds max 1 7/8” at 13.3 joules……yes I know
Precast Erector wrote:
On 18/02/2018 at 4:06 AM, Precast Erector said:I was only able to drill 14 dia100@120mm
You’d be better off with a sds plus drilling a 14 dia bit, like the Dewalt dch 273, 284 or 333. Higher rpm and bpm, they will drill quicker and get more holes per charge then the sds max units. The sds max units have higher impact joules but lower rpm and bpm, good for large dia bits and chilling
Finnaly arrived ! Lovely =)
kornomaniac wrote:
That’s great! I would buy that in a heartbeat if we didn’t have a bunch of Bosch, Makita and Hilti stuff!
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The spacing of the batteries sure looks like a wider battery is coming!
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Isn’t subtle at all, like whatever they have coming down the pipeline will be a substantial difference
And the space for the batteries in the case obviously has alot of room for bigger batteries. Even the battery icon that is molded in the plastic is a bigger sizes.
Now we just need the batteries -_-;
The battery part looks very flimsy. That space will cause them to rattle and get damaged..
Why would it rattle ? The batteries are connected solid to the frame as in any other tool
They are only held by one side instead of 3 sides like on the other tools
They are held exactly thesame as in every other Makita power tool.
Pretty much no one secures their batteries by more than one “surface”. If any tool’s batteries are vibrating to the point where they are slapping against any other part of the tool, their interface is already mechanically compromised.
Also, Makita has employed some pretty impressive vibration damping on this tool, something they’re generally ahead of most of the competition on.
I think coptool did a bad job on this video. Lots of inaccuracies imo