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120v Dual Bevel 12in Miter
Love it
But I have this 120v power adapter that when not using the miter saw is completely useless.
20v has 100+ tools
60v has about 10 tools at this point maybe more
120v has 1 Tool.
The platform has a 120v Gap.
I got the indication that there is a table saw but it wasn’t going to be at DeWALT Experience. No specifics whether it was a new table saw or an already existing one. The statement was something like “the table saw isn’t here.” I can’t remember where I saw the statement.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a Flexvolt 120v vac in the works.
I felt this way at launch. The table saw, miter, and vac should have been day 1 releases under 120v at a minimum.
What’s ridiculous is that Dewalt pisses off the very people that spend large dollars on their tools…the marketing dept are complete morons. I realize they make billions but they loose millions when tools are needed and you have to buy it on another platform……..like my older brother . The IQ of a genius, the common sense of a rock…
Framer joe wrote:
What’s ridiculous is that Dewalt pisses off the very people that spend large dollars on their tools…the marketing dept are complete morons. I realize they make billions but they loose millions when tools are needed and you have to buy it on another platform……..like my older brother . The IQ of a genius, the common sense of a rock…
Ha ha this is gold
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And it’s beyond me they haven’t made yet a step down transformer from 120V to 60V so you can use your tools corded when you need it. I don’t care if it’s as big and heavy as the power station, I just want the possibility. It isn’t rocket science…
uber i
JakeDewalt wrote:
3 hours ago, JakeDewalt said:120v Dual Bevel 12in Miter
Love it
But I have this 120v power adapter that when not using the miter saw is completely useless.
20v has 100+ tools
60v has about 10 tools at this point maybe more
120v has 1 Tool.
The platform has a 120v Gap.
120v isn’t a platform, it is just an extension of the 60v platform. The 120v adapter comes with the saw so it’s not like you buy it especially for a new platform, it is just an accessory for the mitre saw. It’s not like you invest in a 120v platform you invest in flexvolt 60v and you get the capability of running 120v as an ad on
zinzander wrote:
2 minutes ago, zinzander said:uber i
120v isn’t a platform, it is just an extension of the 60v platform. The 120v adapter comes with the saw so it’s not like you buy it especially for a new platform, it is just an accessory for the mitre saw. It’s not like you invest in a 120v platform you invest in flexvolt 60v and you get the capability of running 120v as an ad on
so its 60Vx2?
Jronman wrote:
Just now, Jronman said:so its 60Vx2?
yes that is exactly what it is. It’s not like there are special 120v batteries and chargers it’s just an extension of the flexvolt platform
120v is definantly a platform.
Just one yet to fully be recognized.
And the opportunities are endless
JakeDewalt wrote:
3 hours ago, JakeDewalt said:120v is definantly a platform.
Just one yet to fully be recognized.
And the opportunities are endless
If you normally use Makita 18v and you own a 2 times 18v circular saw as part of your 18v collection do you have another platform or are you just using two of your 18v batteries at the same time. so is dewalt 240v also a platform with just one tool?.?.?
zinzander wrote:
6 hours ago, zinzander said:uber i
120v isn’t a platform, it is just an extension of the 60v platform. The 120v adapter comes with the saw so it’s not like you buy it especially for a new platform, it is just an accessory for the mitre saw. It’s not like you invest in a 120v platform you invest in flexvolt 60v and you get the capability of running 120v as an ad on
In europe it comes at an extra cost of about €150.
Turner85 wrote:
3 hours ago, Turner85 said:In europe it comes at an extra cost of about €150.
is the 240v power station a different platform?
Technically it’s a 60v platform but apologizing for desalts failure to make 2x60v tools is silly.
Makita’s appeal is 2x18v to make more powerful tools with existing batteries.
Part of the whole sales pitch of 60v was some tools would be 60vx2 or 120v D.C. Dewalt was making us night the bullet on a new battery platform so some tools would be corded or cordless like the dhs790. No need to use batteries when set up for long periods. So where is the full size compressors, table saws, vacuums, etc…. in other words almost all new 120v dewalt tools could be flexvolt. Go corded or cordless. I bought in and am disappointed in the lack of 60vx2 tools with a corded option especially now that no 60v convertor is being made 😩
glass wrote:
2 hours ago, glass said:Technically it’s a 60v platform but apologizing for desalts failure to make 2x60v tools is silly.
Makita’s appeal is 2x18v to make more powerful tools with existing batteries.
Part of the whole sales pitch of 60v was some tools would be 60vx2 or 120v D.C. Dewalt was making us night the bullet on a new battery platform so some tools would be corded or cordless like the dhs790. No need to use batteries when set up for long periods. So where is the full size compressors, table saws, vacuums, etc…. in other words almost all new 120v dewalt tools could be flexvolt. Go corded or cordless. I bought in and am disappointed in the lack of 60vx2 tools with a corded option especially now that no 60v convertor is being made 😩
Thank you I agree
Is there a lot of potential that is left unrealized at this point? Yes. Am I salty about buying 120v Max batteries? No, because that isn’t the case. I’m happy with the mitre and hope to see a larger compressor, table saw, vacuum, etc. going forward.
zinzander wrote:
8 hours ago, zinzander said:is the 240v power station a different platform?
Im not too sure what you mean by 240v power station. Do you mean the one that takes 4 batteries? If so not available in europe along with the stud drill as far as i can see
Not available in Europa because our corded tools are 240v and not 110 like in USA.
kornomaniac wrote:
1 hour ago, kornomaniac said:Not available in Europa because our corded tools are 240v and not 110 like in USA.
Ireland and the UK is different. 110v is required on site. Its a pain, means lugging around a heavy transformer all the time
Actually, all of Western Europe inc. UK is 230V AC.
With +6%/-10% tolerance on that (IIRC) then 2x 110V is close enough.
I’m fine with 60v and 120v tools ,,it was needed to get true corded power….BUT…if your going to have us buy new batteries and tools for that platform…you MUST continue to pump out that platforms..tools every year ,relentlessly……..Dewalt pulled some bullishlt again….,,.thats F…up….
Framer joe wrote:
21 minutes ago, Framer joe said:I’m fine with 60v and 120v tools ,,it was needed to get true corded power….BUT…if your going to have us buy new batteries and tools for that platform…you MUST continue to pump out that platforms..tools every year ,relentlessly……..Dewalt pulled some bullishlt again….,,.thats F…up….
compressor, rear handle saw, and mixer were nice. The fact that they added rafter hooks on the circular saw indicates they do listen to their customers. I wasn’t disappointed in the event I’m guessing many of the upcoming flex tools weren’t ready enough to be shown at the event maybe at the next one we will see more flex?
Jronman wrote:
29 minutes ago, Jronman said:compressor, rear handle saw, and mixer were nice. The fact that they added rafter hooks on the circular saw indicates they do listen to their customers. I wasn’t disappointed in the event I’m guessing many of the upcoming flex tools weren’t ready enough to be shown at the event maybe at the next one we will see more flex?
Nah we’re going to get a powered wheelbarrow instead. 😆
I really don’t get people’s attitudes on this.
A manufacturer creates a new tool that does what is claims it will do. They make no promises about future tools being made the same. Buyers PRESUME that more similar tools will be released and get salty 11 months later when they haven’t.
If you don’t want a saw that needs two batteries to run, don’t buy it. If you don’t want an electric adapter, don’t buy it. The way I see it, Dewalt tried to make something awesome and someone will always find a way to make them seem like bad guys.
Follow up: It’s all about wording.
If you say, I hope Dewalt bring out more tools that run on 2 x FV batteries, I agree.
If you sook that they haven’t, I think that’s just whining.
…we have been wanting, for a year. Time to start whining. Perhaps you don’t understand, but this is the American way. 😆
It’s not as though we’re asking for something fringe or illogical, this is the natural progression and the inevitable one as well. They already have the tools and have already made the technology, slap your existing adapter on your existing tools and push the shit down the aisle, it’s not unreasonable when they’ve been planning this presumably for a few years already since they’ve got the patents cleared. In the time they engineered the 780 to become the 790, they could have done the same to an entire linup.
Dewalt has a team of fast horses that they’re always seemingly holding back and finishing in the top 5 but never winning the triple crown. They cut them loose around the track for one lap with the release of flexvolt and now they’re pulling back again. It’s frustrating to see the potential here and watch their ultra slow sabotage kind of unfold as they maintain a reactionary stance instead of a revolutionary one most of the time (flexvolt clearly being the one and only exception in the last few…well, decades.)
It’s a bit incomprehensible IMO.
Well said @Hugh Jass….I will add….We didn’t assume Dewalt would make more 60v/ 120v tools ..they said …”an entire platform of tools will follow.,this is just the beginning” ..it’s not whining..It’s BUISNESS..this isn’t my Hobby…It’s my Buisness..how I create wealth,jobs,……..side note..the reason the USA is the greatest country on earth is Because we don’t settle for less, we demand More…..
…..it’s like when an architect firm with their ivy school education, tells little ol me, joe framer , that the plan isn’t wrong it must be me,,..until you walk down the stairs and hit your head on a steel beam running through,” that must be right it’s on the plan ” ….pencil pushers , sometimes don’t see the big picture, I wonder if Dewalt does…
Turner85 wrote:
7 hours ago, Turner85 said:Ireland and the UK is different. 110v is required on site. Its a pain, means lugging around a heavy transformer all the time
Ow ?
You have 110 volts out of the wall plugs ?
Whoops
kornomaniac wrote:
2 hours ago, kornomaniac said:Ow ?
You have 110 volts out of the wall plugs ?
No 240 from the wall so we have to plug in a transformer that ways somewhere around 10kg. And then plug our 110v tools direct to the transformer. A lot of bigger sites would have 110v power sources so rather than having to bring the transformer on them it normally means running 110v leads all over the place. A lot of guys in the private sector dont bother with 110v as health and safety rarely check on them and when they do its normally by appointment so you can be prepared
Turner85 wrote:
4 hours ago, Turner85 said:No 240 from the wall so we have to plug in a transformer that ways somewhere around 10kg. And then plug our 110v tools direct to the transformer. A lot of bigger sites would have 110v power sources so rather than having to bring the transformer on them it normally means running 110v leads all over the place. A lot of guys in the private sector dont bother with 110v as health and safety rarely check on them and when they do its normally by appointment so you can be prepared
O_o do all your tools have to be plugged into a 240 to 110 volt convertor ? Daaamn that’s alot of extra hassle.
kornomaniac wrote:
1 minute ago, kornomaniac said:O_o do all your tools have to be plugged into a 240 to 110 volt convertor ? Daaamn that’s alot of extra hassle.
Yes they do on site. I stay away from sitework though so i stick with 240v tools it just means if i ever do get offered site work they wont allow my tools in the gate
Damn that’s crap. Why is 110 volt considered safer ? It’s not voltage but amps that kill you surely ? 110volt tools do draw more amps then 240 tools I think ?
Today I learned why whining and American exceptionalism are two sides of the same coin 😂.
I do think FlexVolt is expanding at a snail’s pace but I’d expect that to change in the next year. This year’s Dewalt experience seemed like a big push to catch 20v Max up to M18 a bit.
Well it took awhile for the 20v max lineup to fill out. The first year and a 1/2 was just the basic’s. It took a good 2 years for a jobsite radio, and forever for a finish nailer replacement. That annoyed a ton of guys especially when they came out with a framer first.
I think that because Milwaukee produce 30 new tools a year *innovation!* that people expect everyone else should. Well you heard it here first, not every company wants to be Milwaukee.
Do you know how many impact drivers Metabo has made on it’s current lineup? 1
How many nailers have Bosh produced? 1. Metabo: 0. Makita: 1.
I get that people WANT stuff, but there’s a difference between requesting/hoping and demanding/expecting.
Edit: And by the way, I’d take Dewalts 16Ga nailer over everyone else’s put together (except Hitachi, who I haven’t tried yet).
@dwain…it’s not wanting hoping demanding expecting……it’s Dewalt stating at launch that this new 60v platform will grow expeditiously…that new tools will follow quickly and expansively…….people bought into the platform expecting Dewalt to …Keep Their Word …year after year…1 new rear handle saw doesn’t cut it….
…..I realize your tied in with Dewalt and other companies but if you owned a business and invested thousands upon thousands of dollars based on this promise, and your productivity was limited do to this BS ….perhaps even cutting jobs due to slower production, you may not be so nonchalant about it…….
…..I get this is a fun forum sharing tool news and stories for the DIY guy but a lot of us run companies or are self employed and rely on these tools ….
Framer joe wrote:
6 minutes ago, Framer joe said:@dwain…1 new rear handle saw doesn’t cut it….
…well, perhaps a poor choice of words but yea not a lot of love for framers. As stated this was a catch-up season with the exception of that saw and the van rack. Neither of these really had strong competition to start outside of the 36v Makita (though I think the blade right flexvolt was said to be more powerful).
dwain wrote:
32 minutes ago, dwain said:I think that because Milwaukee produce 30 new tools a year *innovation!* that people expect everyone else should. Well you heard it here first, not every company wants to be Milwaukee.
Do you know how many impact drivers Metabo has made on it’s current lineup? 1
How many nailers have Bosh produced? 1. Metabo: 0. Makita: 1.
I get that people WANT stuff, but there’s a difference between requesting/hoping and demanding/expecting.
Edit: And by the way, I’d take Dewalts 16Ga nailer over everyone else’s put together (except Hitachi, who I haven’t tried yet).
We have seen some issues with Milwaukee releasing so many tools so fast the finish nailers being a good example of a tool that needed some more time to bake in development.
While I hear ya on that, most of what we’re looking for already exists. If you want to talk about all new tools with new designs/electronics/ergonomics, etc… sure. Don’t be premature, but for the most part what everyone has wanted is already there. We want a 120v Vac. Take the 120v Vac you already have, mount the 120v adapter for 60v batteries you already have, mould them together with a plastic housing, wire the focker and send it. It literally is that simple. Rinse and repeat for practically everything else. We don’t need to reinvent the wheel here, this is like taking two lego bricks from two different sets and snapping them together. It just works because it’s already designed too, nothing groundbreaking or proprietary needed.
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Hugh Jass wrote:
17 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:While I hear ya on that, most of what we’re looking for already exists. If you want to talk about all new tools with new designs/electronics/ergonomics, etc… sure. Don’t be premature, but for the most part what everyone has wanted is already there. We want a 120v Vac. Take the 120v Vac you already have, mount the 120v adapter for 60v batteries you already have, mould them together with a plastic housing, wire the focker and send it. It literally is that simple. Rinse and repeat for practically everything else. We don’t need to reinvent the wheel here, this is like taking two lego bricks from two different sets and snapping them together. It just works because it’s already designed too, nothing groundbreaking or proprietary needed.
😂
Relax man let’s all remember why we love Dewalt.
When that 120v Vac drops it will be the first Cordless Shop Vac in the World.
Full-Size with the ability to throw your adapter on and run all day.
It hasn’t been tons of tools released after flexvolt launch but it has been steady releases. First we got the 3.0/9.0 battery and ope, then we got the track saw, then out of the blue heres a compressor for ya, then we get a mixer and rear handle saw coming soon. Maybe not a zillion tools at once but we have gotten some new flexvolt every few months this year.
JakeDewalt wrote:
8 minutes ago, JakeDewalt said:😂
Relax man let’s all remember why we love Dewalt.
When that 120v Vac drops it will be the first Cordless Shop Vac in the World.
Full-Size with the ability to throw your adapter on and run all day.
Actually Makita has and x2 vac. Not the backpack one. It looks like their corded vacs.
^^ that’s what I thought. I don’t think everyone appreciates how much work goes into creating new tools that are job site ready.
The opportunity I think that has gone begging (but probably won’t forever) is a 2 x 54V table saw.
I’m also disappointed (and I expect many of you are too) that Dewalt are releasing new tools overseas and the US has to wait longer for them…
Jronman wrote:
3 minutes ago, Jronman said:Actually Makita has and x2 vac. Not the backpack one. It looks like their corded vacs.
Metabo has one coming, and AEG (Aussie Rigid) already has one out.
Osha silica rules are pushing cordless dust collection/vacuums. Also Dewalt releasing tools in other markets is a test to gauge interest and part of it some tools they know just won’t sell like the Flexvolt Alligator saw. Dewalt stuck out when then released a track saw years ago people didn’t know what it was about funny thing is Festool is actually helping Dewalt a little in that regard and people see what track saws are about and how useful they can be.
I understand Makita has their x2 vac
But is talking about a cordless vacuum with corded power. 120v Cordless same voltage coming out the wall.
And Yes I will say Dewalt introduced me to the Tracksaw and a little research on YouTube showed the Festool in action. So yes they are partners in the education of consumers about track saws wither they like it or not.
JakeDewalt wrote:
32 minutes ago, JakeDewalt said:I understand Makita has their x2 vac
But is talking about a cordless vacuum with corded power. 120v Cordless same voltage coming out the wall.
And Yes I will say Dewalt introduced me to the Tracksaw and a little research on YouTube showed the Festool in action. So yes they are partners in the education of consumers about track saws wither they like it or not.
If I’m not mistaken the Makita is hybrid but power is less on x2 mode.
Big deal they slapped the battery on the track saw. Still no positive stop at 45, no scoring feature, still need a screw driver to adjust slop out of rails and no good dust bag(what’s the point of a cordless track saw that still has a cord i.e. Vacuum hose. Just saying. I appreciate many of the 60v tools and use them but I expected more and better by now. For instance I do expect rafter hook add on accessories, do the right thing dewalt. I do expect the next sawzall to have the 4 position blade holder. Why should dewalt not strive to be better. I try to do the same for my customers. So sorry for being a whiner I guess I just have higher standards than most.😘
glass wrote:
19 hours ago, glass said:Big deal they slapped the battery on the track saw. Still no positive stop at 45, no scoring feature, still need a screw driver to adjust slop out of rails and no good dust bag(what’s the point of a cordless track saw that still has a cord i.e. Vacuum hose. Just saying. I appreciate many of the 60v tools and use them but I expected more and better by now. For instance I do expect rafter hook add on accessories, do the right thing dewalt. I do expect the next sawzall to have the 4 position blade holder. Why should dewalt not strive to be better. I try to do the same for my customers. So sorry for being a whiner I guess I just have higher standards than most.😘
I would think a hose would snag less. Milwaukee is adding a 4 position blade holder in the next Sawzall?