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just saw this in a different post in this forum
(so credit does not go to me)
the tool justifies a new post
I was really surprised, normally I have lot´s of insider info
DCCS620B chainsaw 20V max !
web site shows: PRE-ORDER NOW !! SHIPPING IN SUMMER 2017
12” Oregon Bar and Chain – Low kickback cutting in compact spaces. Includes tool-free tensioning and auto oiling.
• High-Efficiency Brushless Motor – Delivers up to 70 cuts on a 4×4” per charge and 30 cuts on a 6×6 (with a 20V MAX* 5.0 Ah battery)
• Lightweight and Compact – Optimized ergonomics for smaller cuts
• Battery-Operation – Eliminate carb issues and cold starts. Starts with the pull of the trigger.
20v, that’s surprising, Looks like the battery slot could have extra room for the 9/3 or any other larger unreleased battery. OPE is not any area that gets me too excited but thats kinda cool.
Interesting. I have little need for this right now but let’s be honest, it will probably be in my apartment by the end of the year.
This is all the average homeowner would need, now let’s see the price tag
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199 CAD @JimboS1ice. Probably 150-160 USD.
I am in for one.
Definitely getting one, 12″ bar is more than enough and it’s around $157 USD.
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I picked up the 2xMakita, the size is perfect for around the house. DeWalt did a nice job on the design. The overall length is nice, should have good balance too.
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And by size I meant the 12 inch blade
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As I said ….I’m definitely getting one…really want a Dewalt 10″ cordless chop saw
HiltiWpg wrote:
On 6/15/2017 at 3:28 PM, HiltiWpg said:I picked up the 2xMakita, the size is perfect for around the house. DeWalt did a nice job on the design. The overall length is nice, should have good balance too.
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Maybe you’ll be happy to know that a compact 1 handed single 18v brushless model quite like this DeWalt is also coming q1 2018 most likely 🙂
That looks absolutely awesome. Jealous much !
I wonder if we will ever see this adapted to a sword saw like the festool? That would be awesome with a flexvolt for large timbers
Given that it says Oregon chain and bar, I am going to guess it won’t be too hard to find a 14 or 16 bar that would fit it if you needed to have the biggest around.
jtkendall wrote:
On 6/15/2017 at 6:50 AM, jtkendall said:Definitely getting one, 12″ bar is more than enough and it’s around $157 USD.
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Interesting. I would have thought it would be more expensive, to be honest. Also, why not make it a 60v?
Because it’s a tiny bar, and this opens it up to the largest volume of Dewalt’s user base.
FrosBros82 wrote:
Interesting. I would have thought it would be more expensive, to be honest. Also, why not make it a 60v?
They have a 60v model
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FrosBros82 wrote:
7 hours ago, FrosBros82 said:Interesting. I would have thought it would be more expensive, to be honest. Also, why not make it a 60v?
JimboS1ice wrote:
6 hours ago, JimboS1ice said:
They have a 60v model
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Yeah, after a little more research I have now seen a few videos online. Thanks for the update.
New info ? 20v XR chainsaw
….dccs620p1 ($229)
….dccs620b. ($149)
9lbs with a 5ah on it
90 cuts through a 4×4 pressure treated
Acme has pre order ….bare tool 129….kit with 1/5ah and charger 199…..
Framer joe wrote:
35 minutes ago, Framer joe said:Acme has pre order ….bare tool 129….kit with 1/5ah and charger 199…..
Nice, it’s an even better deal than I thought it was a going to be.
Framer joe wrote:
12 hours ago, Framer joe said:Acme has pre order ….bare tool 129….kit with 1/5ah and charger 199…..
That the good charger or the compact shit one?
I couldn’t find that out..I’m calling on Monday to ask the same question…I’ll let you know
Called acme today. The lady called Dewalt and they said the chainsaws just left the factory today to go to the distributors. She said they should ship from Acme by the end of the weekish.
Never found out what charger comes with the kit
Framer joe wrote:
43 minutes ago, Framer joe said:Never found out what charger comes with the kit
Chances are it’s the shit one then. I’ll never understand Dewalt’s angle with even producing the shit chargers at all.
the only dewalt charger that is ‘shit in my view is the 1.25 ah one and that isn’t really shit it is just only really designed for the 12v 21wh batteries so for what it is designed for it is fine it just isn’t the best if you drop a 4ah plus battery on it, and I guarantee you the kit won’t come with that charger. I have the 1.25 the 4ah and the 8ah charger and both the 4 and the 8 are just fine. I often use the 4 just because it is quite. I would goes it will come with the 4
I’m not on that wagon, Send the 118 for every tool kit…the 115 or 101 are twice or more charging times…fine if your charging 2ah slim packs,,,not for 5ah or higher…..stop being cheap Dewalt and put kits in a damn tstack or tough case like overseas……
Hey now, crap battery charger with the 20v chain saw,,,,,,
Those don’t bother me, it’s the compact chargers that are worthless. May as well get a 6in square solar panel and stick the wires into the terminals, it would charge faster, lol.
I still would like to see the 8ah become the default going forward at least at some point. I would buy a kit for that and that only, otherwise it’s bare tools and ebay for me (8ah chargers are $39 there, kind of a no brainer.)
Can’t remember the last time I bought a ‘kit’ when a bare tool option was available, so don’t really see point of whining about crap chargers.
If all the kits came with top-spec chargers, people would then complain at the subsequent price being OTT.
I have enough batteries that charging is never really an issue, so to be honest I don’t really worry about charge times within reason. I generally drop some batteries on the chargers when I get home and don’t worry about it. I actually use the 4ah more as it doesn’t buzz away in the garage like the 8ah one esoecially if im doing things nearby. I also try to charge my batteries ehen the get to around 40% give or take (a lot) to orotect the cells But I can see if you are trying to cycle through one or two batteries and you were draining them super quick it would matter.
Big Adam wrote:
7 hours ago, Big Adam said:Can’t remember the last time I bought a ‘kit’ when a bare tool option was available…
…wat?
Whining ? I realize that some folks in the U.K.dont actually need chargers because you have 1 battery for your 1 tool,that sits on the shelf.. But. For men that have dozens of cordless tools used everyday and dozens and dozens of batteries to charge ,ya , the fast chargers are needed to keep up and switch out batteries or I suppose you could do ..Hugh’s solar farm idea and have a field of …..
Not to mention usually a kit is a great deal for the tool, batteries and charger, and maybe a good case……..it’s called options,they are great to have 🙂
Framer joe wrote:
9 hours ago, Framer joe said:Whining ? I realize that some folks in the U.K.dont actually need chargers because you have 1 battery for your 1 tool,that sits on the shelf.. But. For men that have dozens of cordless tools used everyday and dozens and dozens of batteries to charge ,ya , the fast chargers are needed to keep up and switch out batteries or I suppose you could do ..Hugh’s solar farm idea and have a field of …..
Not to mention usually a kit is a great deal for the tool, batteries and charger, and maybe a good case……..it’s called options,they are great to have 🙂
The big question is, do the fast chargers reduce battery life? At some point you would hit maximum efficiency for charging and battery life, charge faster than that and you will introduce too much heat and reduce the number of charges a battery will take over the life of a battery. Are you willing to replace all your batteries after one year to get faster charging or would you rather they last 3 years and just have to charge longer?
Grumpy MSG wrote:
4 minutes ago, Grumpy MSG said:The big question is, do the fast chargers reduce battery life? At some point you would hit maximum efficiency for charging and battery life, charge faster than that and you will introduce too much heat and reduce the number of charges a battery will take over the life of a battery. Are you willing to replace all your batteries after one year to get faster charging or would you rather they last 3 years and just have to charge longer?
If you asked every other manufacturer that has a rapid charger years ahead of Dewalt, they’d probably tell you your arguement is invalid.
Ya, don’t buy that….there is no litterateur I’m aware of from Dewalt stating that using their own rapid charger reduces battery life…I mean they added a fan for heat displacement no ? I’m not an engineer,( although I do spec steel beams at work) ..
….and actually I still have dozens of 4 and 5 ah batteries since they came out still running strong…..besides if it’s what I need for my company or the others , ya I replace thousands in batteries every year…bottom line I use tools to make money and make my bosses money,,,..really don’t care about longevity, it would be nice if everything lasted but understandably not realistic……
…I would buy a tool for just 1 use if it made me big bucks……if I said buy this tool for 1k that you need to do the job and you make 4K profit …wouldn’t you..? I do..
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Just ordered one off ACME – Says it will ship in 7-10 days. Got the bare tool for $110 after using the promo code: #DOYOURBESTWORK. Had to throw in a couple cheap extras (single drill bits @ $1) to get the full discount because you need 4 items in your cart for the full 15% off your order. I was surprised those would qualify for the offer but they do. Great deal!
That’s what I did, I canceled my previous order and reordered it with 3 pencils. Got the full kit for 176.
Waiting for reviews on this boys, keep us posted.
Framer joe wrote:
On 01/09/2017 at 2:43 PM, Framer joe said:Ya, don’t buy that….there is no litterateur I’m aware of from Dewalt stating that using their own rapid charger reduces battery life…I mean they added a fan for heat displacement no ? I’m not an engineer,( although I do spec steel beams at work) ..
….and actually I still have dozens of 4 and 5 ah batteries since they came out still running strong…..besides if it’s what I need for my company or the others , ya I replace thousands in batteries every year…bottom line I use tools to make money and make my bosses money,,,..really don’t care about longevity, it would be nice if everything lasted but understandably not realistic……
…I would buy a tool for just 1 use if it made me big bucks……if I said buy this tool for 1k that you need to do the job and you make 4K profit …wouldn’t you..? I do..
as a general point neither fast charging of fast discharging are good for life span a lithium battery
There is a lifespan of a battery anyway…you get so many uses, so many chargers…..I have just not heard or read that a fast charger hurts the battery. If so please show me the article…..I understand theories and conjecture but……
why would every company have them ? So you have to buy new batteries all the time ? That would just piss people off and stop using that brand….don’t know
Framer joe wrote:
On 8/31/2017 at 10:43 PM, Framer joe said:Ya, don’t buy that….there is no litterateur I’m aware of from Dewalt stating that using their own rapid charger reduces battery life…I mean they added a fan for heat displacement no ? I’m not an engineer,( although I do spec steel beams at work) ..
….and actually I still have dozens of 4 and 5 ah batteries since they came out still running strong…..besides if it’s what I need for my company or the others , ya I replace thousands in batteries every year…bottom line I use tools to make money and make my bosses money,,,..really don’t care about longevity, it would be nice if everything lasted but understandably not realistic……
…I would buy a tool for just 1 use if it made me big bucks……if I said buy this tool for 1k that you need to do the job and you make 4K profit …wouldn’t you..? I do..
I haven’t read any literature about it, but then again my training and experience about batteries started before cordless tools really became viable, initially from Exide in the 6 and 12 volt farm and industrial batteries and later GNB for 24 and 36 volt electric power equipment batteries (1000+ pound batteries for various fork trucks).
zinzander wrote:
13 hours ago, zinzander said:as a general point neither fast charging of fast discharging are good for life span a lithium battery
I don’t think it matters what type of battery it is, excessive heat or excessive discharge will shorten the life span of a battery.
Framer joe wrote:
11 hours ago, Framer joe said:There is a lifespan of a battery anyway…you get so many uses, so many chargers…..I have just not heard or read that a fast charger hurts the battery. If so please show me the article…..I understand theories and conjecture but……
why would every company have them ? So you have to buy new batteries all the time ? That would just piss people off and stop using that brand….don’t know
You are right there is a lifespan for batteries a number of charges and discharges before it run time is so reduced, it needs to be replaced. When you get to where you are drilling one or two holes with a battery or getting 30 seconds of run time with the vacuum trying to clean up before it dies, that battery is going out of the rotation and getting replaced quickly. Now if you are the small contractor who shows up on a job site with a battery in the drill, circular saw, reciprocating saw and one spare and a fast charger to do a job and swaps a battery once or twice on each tool as he uses them and then replaces those 4 batteries once a year, that might be your version of acceptable, especially if you are one of the guys who are buying the latest and greatest drill as each one comes out. Heck they get new batteries every time they buy the new tool. Another guy might have 10 batteries they take to the site with a couple on the tools, follows the manufacturers recommendation on when to change batteries, charge them up each night and get 4 years life out of them. Which is the right way to run them?
The simple reason as to why a company would offer them if they shortened the life is because other companies do. The added bonus for the company is it gets to sell more batteries to you, the customer.
I also store my batteries inside where it is temp and humidity controlled. I do what I can to not leave my batteries in hot areas like my vehicle. Sometimes you cant help it but hopefully it extends the life a bit.
Psh, I leave all my batteries in my tool trailer that daily sees interior temps around 130 degrees. I still have 2 3ah batteries from the 20v launch that are still working just fine.
It’s not like it used to be. Number of discharges has a lot more to do with longevity than anything else.
Ya but @Grumpy MSG if the rapid charger was causing batteries to prematurely fail guys wouldn’t just buy more batteries they’d get out of that platform pissed off…….anyhow…being a small contractor, I have dozens of batteries. I only use 5ah, both 6ah, 9ah, Each tool has a battery installed and a couple spares….batteries are rotated from tool to tool …and I haven’t thrown any batteries away yet, all are still good…..I’m hoping for, at least 5ah in 60v …less batteries more runtime, maybe years away from 1 battery for all day in heavy use tools
Framer joe wrote:
6 hours ago, Framer joe said:Ya but @Grumpy MSG if the rapid charger was causing batteries to prematurely fail guys wouldn’t just buy more batteries they’d get out of that platform pissed off…….anyhow…being a small contractor, I have dozens of batteries. I only use 5ah, both 6ah, 9ah, Each tool has a battery installed and a couple spares….batteries are rotated from tool to tool …and I haven’t thrown any batteries away yet, all are still good…..I’m hoping for, at least 5ah in 60v …less batteries more runtime, maybe years away from 1 battery for all day in heavy use tools
If they relied so heavily on that charger, they probably did it from the start, and that means the service life for those batteries and tools meet their expectations. In other words, they don’t know any better, so that is normal to them. A great example of that mentality in action is the number of $99 DeWALT drills sold every holiday to homeowners at the big box stores. They started with 18 volt line and now have 20 Volt MAX available, they come equipped with the cheapest to manufacture batteries DeWALT can make. It is usually something ridiculous like a pair of 1.0 to 1.3 Ah packs and goes down hill from there, abuse them and they die even quicker. They will turn around in a year or two and buy another $99 drill. They won’t go in and buy the $99 two pack of 2.4 Ah 18V XRP batteries for $99, because the can get a new drill and batteries for the same price. Now there is the equivalent to that in the 20V MAX available every holiday. You might look at how I treat my tools as ridiculous because I actually have an in service date label on my batteries and place another marker on them when their run time becomes suspect to me. It has allowed me to have a few 18V XRP batteries that have been around since Bush Jr. was President. There are plenty of folks who bounce through a new platform every 2-3 years, I know of one contractor who has been through Porter-Cable 19.2, older Bosch 18, Milwaukee 18 and was on newer Bosch 18 when I last talked to him.
Another way to look at it is what may be unacceptable to you is normal to them. I know plenty of folks who can’t live without their smart phones, several of which have to charge them multiple times a day and don’t complain about replacing it every year or two. Meanwhile, I find that level of performance to be horrible and prefer my semi smart phone that lasts up to a week on a charge and is several years old. If you’ll notice I really don’t spend much time bashing platforms
Should have mine Thursday….can’t wait to cut timbers 4×4 ..6×6.. 8×10 ..and deck timbers….finally !!!!!