Dewalt 20v Brushless Circular Saw

Got this from ToolGuyd.

Home Depot

Yeah that’s been in the works for a while. Still no rafter hook. Looks like a weakened FlexVolt to me. Might as well just get the big boy, only different is battery size.

Anyone know why Dewalt seems

to give their new releases no fanfare whatsoever? The new XR compact impact came out like a fart in the wind. One day it was just there without warning lol. 

I am trying to decided if I should get this or the Flexvolt. I already have the 6 1/2 for small stuff. I have both, the Flexvolt and 20v line.

FlexVolt is a no brainer. You have to work hard to stall the FlexVolt. I can guarantee you’ll be able to stall this one, just like the Fuel. 

Bremon wrote:

16 minutes ago, Bremon said:

FlexVolt is a no brainer. You have to work hard to stall the FlexVolt. I can guarantee you’ll be able to stall this one, just like the Fuel. 

Ya it’s kinda dumb to make a 20v version with the FV out there, would have made a lot more sense to update the 6.5 left blade. 

Especially when I’ve read the FlexVolt existing as an excuse to make a 20v version easily, but like the new brushless compac recip, there’s also existing framework for brushless 6.5″. Why not both, like Milwaukee. 

Bremon wrote:

Especially when I’ve read the FlexVolt existing as an excuse to make a 20v version easily, but like the new brushless compac recip, there’s also existing framework for brushless 6.5″. Why not both, like Milwaukee. 

Yeah. Those poor guys with their strongest cordless saws on the market. Let’s shed a tear for them and pour out a drink @JimboS1ice, and reminisce about the days we wore that crown with the 2731…at least we can tell them how to cope when the Makita rear handle hits stores haha. 

Bremon wrote:

Yeah. Those poor guys with their strongest cordless saws on the market. Let’s shed a tear for them and pour out a drink [mention=51951]JimboS1ice[/mention], and reminisce about the days we wore that crown with the 2731…at least we can tell them how to cope when the Makita rear handle hits stores haha. 

6.5 doesn’t cut deep enough. Seems Makita has magic brushes though. Their cheap old planer outdoes Dewalt and Milwaukee from what I’ve read. Didn’t rob have that suspect test with the Surge though? ?

Edit; off topic; thanks for mentioning that review @JimboS1ice, it’s an interesting video. Testing is thoughtfully laid out and they award different wins for a ton of different aspects of the saws which is great. Also happy to see 6.5 blade lefts and 7.25 blade rights are separate classes. Makes me want to buy another blade left ? He dings the Makita hard for being dual battery, dings the FlexVolt for being a new battery, while admitting it’s the most powerful saw, and narrowly awards the 2731 the win because of battery compatibility, yet all the testing is done strictly off the 9.0. ? Makes you wonder. I do love that saw though lol. Sucks that the new rear handle Makita will have the same asterisks next to its “wins” (but two batteries!). Drill tool fights are so much more straight forward lol. 

Bremon wrote:

6 hours ago, Bremon said:

6.5 doesn’t cut deep enough. Seems Makita has magic brushes though. Their cheap old planer outdoes Dewalt and Milwaukee from what I’ve read. Didn’t rob have that suspect test with the Surge though? ?

 

Edit; off topic; thanks for mentioning that review @JimboS1ice, it’s an interesting video. Testing is thoughtfully laid out and they award different wins for a ton of different aspects of the saws which is great. Also happy to see 6.5 blade lefts and 7.25 blade rights are separate classes. Makes me want to buy another blade left ? He dings the Makita hard for being dual battery, dings the FlexVolt for being a new battery, while admitting it’s the most powerful saw, and narrowly awards the 2731 the win because of battery compatibility, yet all the testing is done strictly off the 9.0. ? Makes you wonder. I do love that saw though lol. Sucks that the new rear handle Makita will have the same asterisks next to its “wins” (but two batteries!). Drill tool fights are so much more straight forward lol. 

Yes that 18v makita smashes all the competition but you would expect that from a company that made the first electric planer I believe 

Bremon wrote:

8 hours ago, Bremon said:

6.5 doesn’t cut deep enough. Seems Makita has magic brushes though. Their cheap old planer outdoes Dewalt and Milwaukee from what I’ve read. Didn’t rob have that suspect test with the Surge though? ?

 

Edit; off topic; thanks for mentioning that review @JimboS1ice, it’s an interesting video. Testing is thoughtfully laid out and they award different wins for a ton of different aspects of the saws which is great. Also happy to see 6.5 blade lefts and 7.25 blade rights are separate classes. Makes me want to buy another blade left ? He dings the Makita hard for being dual battery, dings the FlexVolt for being a new battery, while admitting it’s the most powerful saw, and narrowly awards the 2731 the win because of battery compatibility, yet all the testing is done strictly off the 9.0. ? Makes you wonder. I do love that saw though lol. Sucks that the new rear handle Makita will have the same asterisks next to its “wins” (but two batteries!). Drill tool fights are so much more straight forward lol. 

Makita_2233 wrote:

2 hours ago, Makita_2233 said:

Yes that 18v makita smashes all the competition but you would expect that from a company that made the first electric planer I believe 

The Dewalt planer is a bit stronger especially with Flexvolt or xr 6.0 batteries but the Makita is impressive considering it came out over 5 years old ago. 

dmz2084 wrote:

1 hour ago, dmz2084 said:

 

The Dewalt planer is a bit stronger especially with Flexvolt or xr 6.0 batteries but the Makita is impressive considering it came out over 5 years old ago. 

Oh really? I seen a cordless planer battle. Makita and DeWALT were 1st and 2nd but the Makita won over the DeWALT. I don’t think flexvolt was out yet so the DeWALT may be the new champ if used with a 6.0 or 9.0 flex. 

I don’t know guys but I’m pretty excited bout this saw maybe bcus I haven’t made my way into the flexvolt line yet but I have a crap load batteries that I can use with it

Jronman wrote:

Oh really? I seen a cordless planer battle. Makita and DeWALT were 1st and 2nd but the Makita won over the DeWALT. I don’t think flexvolt was out yet so the DeWALT may be the new champ if used with a 6.0 or 9.0 flex. 

Bigmikez wrote:

1 hour ago, Bigmikez said:

I don’t know guys but I’m pretty excited bout this saw maybe bcus I haven’t made my way into the flexvolt line yet but I have a crap load batteries that I can use with it

Don’t worry you can just buy a flexvolt saw and be good to go.  People are always saying how they are the same battery platform.

Hope you can read in sarcasm.  haha

You can’t compare tools unless you use a brands tool and whatever accessories are made for that tool to do the job intended…….example…the Flexvolt circ saw is best used with a 9/3 ah and a Flexvolt blade…compare that to any other set up you want….it’s the best……( ya maybe makita new rear but that’s a different kind of saw ) .,,still hate those worm drives or similar………..companies work hard to develop a line of accessories to use with their tools…………can’t just throw a diablo blade on every circ saw and a 6ah and say now it’s fair…it’s not…..

Throw a FlexVolt blade on the Fuel and rear handle Makita Joe, I don’t care as long as they are all the same we can have a proper tool fight lol. 

B man….that’s the thing, flex is a system not just a tool…don’t know if Milwaukee makes a blade special for their 7 1/4 or if Makita does……Dewalt develops an entire system for each tool…..sawzall blades,circ blades,grinding disc,sandpaper,etc….any test done without using all of the accessories designed for a particular tool is just a bogus test……I know Milwaukee makes good sawzall blades…don’t know about other brand accessories .    

……….MORE POWA MORE TOOLS ALREADY!!!  

At any given price point a blade is a blade man. You’re not getting a Freud Industrial for the price of a Diablo with FlexVolt. It’s a system because there’s big money and repeat business with accessories/consumables. The FlexVolt blade are just thin kerf for less load on a tool and more cuts per charge. Don’t drink the kool-aid. By basically all accounts a FlexVolt recip blade isn’t better than a Sawzall blade, the mitre blades aren’t that different from a Diablo. The hole saws are basically daredevil carbides with thinner teeth. Etc. Etc. 

No B man…not just thin kerf….look at the tooth design, air vents,totally different design not just thinner….also there are vids on the Flexvolt saw with different blades with very different results ..PLUS.. MY real world experience…..using different blades on it…..besides I Love Koolaid…..lol

Bremon wrote:

On 3/10/2017 at 6:23 PM, Bremon said:

At any given price point a blade is a blade man. You’re not getting a Freud Industrial for the price of a Diablo with FlexVolt. It’s a system because there’s big money and repeat business with accessories/consumables. The FlexVolt blade are just thin kerf for less load on a tool and more cuts per charge. Don’t drink the kool-aid. By basically all accounts a FlexVolt recip blade isn’t better than a Sawzall blade, the mitre blades aren’t that different from a Diablo. The hole saws are basically daredevil carbides with thinner teeth. Etc. Etc. 

Framer joe wrote:

17 minutes ago, Framer joe said:

No B man…not just thin kerf….look at the tooth design, air vents,totally different design not just thinner….also there are vids on the Flexvolt saw with different blades with very different results ..PLUS.. MY real world experience…..using different blades on it…..besides I Love Koolaid…..lol

It’s easy enough to test. Run the comp with diablos and then run it with flexvolt blades. If there is not difference you should get similar results. If there is you will see a change. If someone wants to send me a not-Flexvolt saw I’ll do it myself 😀

Framer joe wrote:

1 hour ago, Framer joe said:

No B man…not just thin kerf….look at the tooth design, air vents,totally different design not just thinner….also there are vids on the Flexvolt saw with different blades with very different results ..PLUS.. MY real world experience…..using different blades on it…..besides I Love Koolaid…..lol

So put a flexvolt blade on all the saws and run a test. 

When doing tool comparisons, as many variables as possible have to be taken into account. If that means using the same blade when testing saws you use the same blade. If your testing blades you test each blade with the same saw. 

Framer joe wrote:

15 hours ago, Framer joe said:

No B man…not just thin kerf….look at the tooth design, air vents,totally different design not just thinner….also there are vids on the Flexvolt saw with different blades with very different results ..PLUS.. MY real world experience…..using different blades on it…..besides I Love Koolaid…..lol

Videos with different results, what’s the bigger variable; tool operator or blade, especially if kerf is similar…

My point is to run tests as each company has designed the tool to be used…….which is with their own “total system” …tool,blade,battery….whatever tool it is. …I’m sure Dewalt didn’t spend 100million or whatever number it is ,just to say “drink our koolaid you dumb consumers..just buy everything we sell.” …They truly want to be the best tool company and to be number one in every category,to expand their base and dominate the tool industry…

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…..Same people who said Flexvolt is just a gimmick. ,now see that when comparing Flexvolt with a 3/9ah to Any other brand.and Any other tool,. FLEXVOLT is The Best ..PERIOD. ..the reason is simple….Total Tool System……..

.   Now, More Tools…More POWA! 

So a flexvolt blade on a flexvolt saw is far superior but if u put that flexvolt blade on a Milwaukee saw it won’t be as good? That’s silly

Let me ask you a simple question.

Which 1/2 HP motor is more powerful?
A 60VDC motor, or a 20VDC motor?


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Completely and utterly ridiculous. Mind share, market share, revenue, profit, and returns on investment. Those are the things that shareholders care about. Shareholders are the people the boards of public companies care about. The board members of those companies are the people whose marching orders are followed by people in R&D, engineering, and marketing. Marketing wants you to believe R&D hit it out of the park and that using the whole “system” gets more magic out of the saw… if you think Freud doesn’t sink equal amounts of money into their R&D you’re being willfully ignorant. I’ll let my own experience and my wallet be the judge of what works the best in my saws, but I won’t delude myself into thinking one affordable pro-grade blade is going to radically outperform another…

So I thought about you guys today when I was at farm and fleet, they have all the flex volt accessories, honestly?? That’s shit is double the price of the regular dewalt stuff and it looks pretty much the same… 10 bucks for a flap disc that says flex volt? Lets get real for a minute what could possibly down to a flap disc to increase runtime on a extremely high demand and tool operation… thinner grit to make me buy another overnpriced disc? Thin kerf I get, you can boast longer run times than your competitor but put thin kerf on another color and you get the same results, why do you think Diablo boasts 30% more cuts than the competitor on their blade??

It’s marketing bollocks guys to get us to buy the shit accesories dewalt puts out, maybe you get more run time fromna flex blade, but I’d rather take the longevity on a quality blade, you can’t throw a blade on the charger and grow your teeth back… just my 4 cents [emoji854]


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Shit accessories is a broad brush swipe. They have some good stuff and garbage like everyone else. But yeah. I’ll take Diablo over a FlexVolt for a saw or grinder. Those hole saws look decent too if you swap out the selffeed for a standard pilot bit. You can find a deal on them like any other brand though. 

Bremon wrote:

Shit accessories is a broad brush swipe. They have some good stuff and garbage like everyone else. But yeah. I’ll take Diablo over a FlexVolt for a saw or grinder. Those hole saws look decent too if you swap out the selffeed for a standard pilot bit. You can find a deal on them like any other brand though. 

Silly silly silly….why even buy Flexvolt,it’s all marketing? 60 v (54v) over 18v Milwaukee pure crap..just ask Milwaukee., they will tell you , .it’s all gimmick,smoke and mirrors…numbers…perfect conditions when used…thin kerf ..air vents,gimmick……a motor is a motor….a blade is a blade….

 …….all sounds good except…..When you actually cut real wood,lvl,ipe,put,oak,For A Living Everyday……….ya 60v Matters,ya Blades Matter…Real World Results ….It is about money…My/Our companies making money…if it wasn’t true,if it didn’t work ,,we wouldn’t spend the money on it………

.          ..Now Milwaukees  Inksall marker I bought ,,writes on oily,frozen,wet surfaces …I got a problem with., that’s a gimmick!! ….lol 🙂

No one’s arguing the tools aren’t powerful. FlexVolt tools are obviously powerful. The argument is comparing accessories in a similar category (ie thin kerf 24 tooth framing blades) you aren’t going to miraculously turn a turd into a diamond. If your site makes you more money if 50 items say Dewalt on it instead of 25 more power to you, congrats on the success, but my experience with stock blades and Diablo means I’ll stick with Diablo every time (since Freud is a company that also puts R&D money into tooth rake, tooth count, tip design, stability and cooling vents, etc. etc.). If SBD was so sure they’d perfected accessory technology there likely wasn’t much reason to purchase Lenox/Irwin. 

This conversation has devolved from discussing Ford vs Chevy to claiming superiority of Esso gas over Shell. Actually it’s gone beyond that to the notion that Ecoboost engines are specifically designed to run best with Esso gas ? 

There is nothing like a fresh blade.

As a Contractor in the field a blade isn’t measured by the runtime on a specific tool rather the amount of times a blade can be used before loosing its (fresh butter cut) feel. Both blades Flexvolt and diablo brand new on a circular Saw will be equally desired by the men in the feel as long as the blades are new. Now which blade will be purchased again is most likely the diablo for its ability to stay sharp and fresh longer. When in the isle searching for a new blade the last thing in your mind is runtime the first is longevity.

One comparison I could see for saw testing is the Milwaukee saws use Milwaukee blades, Flexvolt saws use Flexvolt blades, Makita saws use Makita blades and so on. I would view it as more of a fair comparison than if Flexvolt saws use Flexvolt blades than everyone else uses Diablo blades.

I am with @Bigmikez I am looking forward to this, I am not a contractor and don’t need the power but at the moment I just want a 7 1/4 on my 20v line, I brought this up a few months ago. This is overall a good idea as not everyone is a contractor and the homeowner/DIYer might not want a separate battery for their circular saw, if I used it day in and day out then I would go with the flexvolt but when I use the say I need to make sure I can get the job done and I have plenty of 20v batteries to cut up a house 🙂 This is not to say I wont buy a DCS576 when it comes out or the flexvolt track saw but for me and how I use it a 20v saw is enough for me.