Anyone know of new tools out yet

Waiting for the new Dewalt 20v max cordless tools I saw on here months ago,..like the 20v max brad gun ..or a two pack of 9ah /3ah ? I saw on YT the new sds max 60v ,nice but I think it was 800 with 2/9ah bats…and at 6.1 joules (4.5ft/lbs) at least its close to Milwaukees at 5ft/lbs…or the 60v adapter ? Just wondering …

18g nailer eta May. Stapler, flooring gun and 15 gauge to follow, I believe in that order. 

I’m told 2 weeks for the 609-2, we Canadians have to wait even longer for the 206-2 apparently. 

Damn that’s far off…definitely sucks for you buying tools in Canada. Thanks for the heads up B man

Bremon wrote:

1 hour ago, Bremon said:

18g nailer eta May. Stapler, flooring gun and 15 gauge to follow, I believe in that order. 

 

I’m told 2 weeks for the 609-2, we Canadians have to wait even longer for the 206-2 apparently. 

15g and 16g? Whats the reasoning for that? Seems rather trivial.

Hugh Jass wrote:

9 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

 

15g and 16g? Whats the reasoning for that? Seems rather trivial.

Everyone else makes them both. Regional preferences. 15g w an actual part of a nail head seems popular for exterior trim, while 16g seems popular for interior work comparatively. Just guesswork on my part though. 

Interesting. I couldn’t justify that much money for that little difference if I already owned the 16g though. 

Yeah, I hear ya. I haven’t done any exterior trim before but the hardy board etc. on the exterior of my house is definitely 15 gauge. 16 gauge I’ve seen more on larger interior trim, 18g only on the lightest stuff. 

Framer joe wrote:

4 hours ago, Framer joe said:

Waiting for the new Dewalt 20v max cordless tools I saw on here months ago,..like the 20v max brad gun ..or a two pack of 9ah /3ah ? I saw on YT the new sds max 60v ,nice but I think it was 800 with 2/9ah bats…and at 6.1 joules (4.5ft/lbs) at least its close to Milwaukees at 5ft/lbs…or the 60v adapter ? Just wondering …

 I really want that 18 gauge brad gun as well. Picked up the 18 gauge ridgid hyperdrive when my 18 volt dewalt died its a lousy replacement for the 8 year old dewalt

Framer joe wrote:

On 2/5/2017 at 8:47 AM, Framer joe said:

Waiting for the new Dewalt 20v max cordless tools I saw on here months ago,..like the 20v max brad gun ..or a two pack of 9ah /3ah ? I saw on YT the new sds max 60v ,nice but I think it was 800 with 2/9ah bats…and at 6.1 joules (4.5ft/lbs) at least its close to Milwaukees at 5ft/lbs…or the 60v adapter ? Just wondering …

60v adapter? This the adapter to make the tool corded?

Jronman wrote:

38 minutes ago, Jronman said:

60v adapter? This the adapter to make the tool corded?

Yeah. There was a rumour from a few months ago about this coming out some time this year. Not sure if it was ever confirmed or not.

jkeating3 wrote:

4 minutes ago, jkeating3 said:

Yeah. There was a rumour from a few months ago about this coming out some time this year. Not sure if it was ever confirmed or not.

yeah concord carpenter talked about it.

Jronman wrote:

6 minutes ago, Jronman said:

yeah concord carpenter talked about it.

Yep, we’ll see. I’m wondering if we’ll see a 120v Max 10″ table saw at this year’s show. 

Bremon wrote:

2 minutes ago, Bremon said:

Yep, we’ll see. I’m wondering if we’ll see a 120v Max 10″ table saw at this year’s show. 

would be nice. A corded hybrid would be cool as well.

Bremon wrote:

2 hours ago, Bremon said:

Yep, we’ll see. I’m wondering if we’ll see a 120v Max 10″ table saw at this year’s show. 

I have a feeling that this year’s Flexvolt tools are going to fulfill a lot of wish lists. I have no reason to think this. I just have a feeling. 

I hope.

Jronman wrote:

5 hours ago, Jronman said:

would be nice. A corded hybrid would be cool as well.

Exactly. By having it be 120v Max I automatically assume and would expect the mitre adapter would work for it. 

jkeating3 wrote:

3 hours ago, jkeating3 said:

I have a feeling that this year’s Flexvolt tools are going to fulfill a lot of wish lists. I have no reason to think this. I just have a feeling. 

Having seen the difference in potential between the FlexVolt 3.0/9.0 and the M18 9.0 I have no reason not to believe this year’s FlexVolt showing will make last year’s look like small potatoes. 

Bremon wrote:

1 minute ago, Bremon said:

Exactly. By having it be 120v Max I automatically assume and would expect the mitre adapter would work for it. 

 

Having seen the difference in potential between the FlexVolt 3.0/9.0 and the M18 9.0 I have no reason not to believe this year’s FlexVolt showing will make last year’s look like small potatoes. 

I could see a 120v mower, a 120v vac, an orbital sander in either 20v or 60v, and a 60v 1/4in or 1/2in router 

Jronman wrote:

34 minutes ago, Jronman said:

I could see a 120v mower, a 120v vac, an orbital sander in either 20v or 60v, and a 60v 1/4in or 1/2in router 

Sign me up for all of the above lol. And some paper towel to wipe up my drool 😆

Bremon wrote:

Just now, Bremon said:

Sign me up for all of the above lol. And some paper towel to wipe up my drool 😆

a 1/2 in cordless router would need a monster of a cordless motor and battery.

This may be VERY far fetched but a 12 battery flexvolt zero turn mower. 6 for the wheels and 6 for the blades.

I’d be happy with a Ego styled self-propelled unit running off of 30 20700 cells. 

yeah would be great.

Jronman wrote:

2 hours ago, Jronman said:

a 1/2 in cordless router would need a monster of a cordless motor and battery.

 

This may be VERY far fetched but a 12 battery flexvolt zero turn mower. 6 for the wheels and 6 for the blades.

It would be Craftsman “powered by DeWalt” lol

When is the show ? I would buy every one of this ideas above.well not the ride on mower ,but ego styled ya…..” if you make it ,they will come” ..why not add more batteries to the power station…8 total…up the amps for charging…still only uses 4 batteries but the other 4 are charging, just rotate them back and forth …automatically switches to the 4 charged batteries …that’s all day power!!!!! 

Milwaukee and Dewalt both have shows in June seemingly every year. Milwaukee’s is called “new product symposium” (NPS), Dewalt shows I honestly haven’t paid much attention to. I know Milwaukee has had a big show for at least the past 5 years. I only started really paying attention to yellow last year with “world’s first” and their marketing campaign and FlexVolt blowout. Before that I just made fun of the guys on site using Dewalt because there never seemed to be any cool stuff coming out while Milwaukee had tons of great stuff. Now we know what they were up to lol. 

Bremon wrote:

7 hours ago, Bremon said:

Milwaukee and Dewalt both have shows in June seemingly every year. Milwaukee’s is called “new product symposium” (NPS), Dewalt shows I honestly haven’t paid much attention to. I know Milwaukee has had a big show for at least the past 5 years. I only started really paying attention to yellow last year with “world’s first” and their marketing campaign and FlexVolt blowout. Before that I just made fun of the guys on site using Dewalt because there never seemed to be any cool stuff coming out while Milwaukee had tons of great stuff. Now we know what they were up to lol. 

Yep both companies have big ole shindigs ever June. While watching the coverage via social media last year I laughed my ass off, During NPS DeWalt was silent, quietly letting Milwaukee have their day and during DeWalt’s event Milwaukee was literally throwing a temper tantrum…. Big red: “Look at me guys” “so what they have a dual voltage battery,whe have a 9.0”. Milwaukee even launched a website within minutes of the FlexVolt announcement comparing the non existing 9.0 to the FV 2/6.0.

But back on point both companies drop new tools quite often with out a bunch of fanfare.  When new tools drop we all find out pretty quickly with TIA (and crew), ToolGuyd, Toolnut, and others rapidly getting the news out.

Cr8ondt wrote:

1 hour ago, Cr8ondt said:

I laughed my ass off, During NPS DeWalt was silent, quietly letting Milwaukee have their day and during DeWalt’s event Milwaukee was literally throwing a temper tantrum…. Big red: “Look at me guys” “so what they have a dual voltage battery,whe have a 9.0”. Milwaukee even launched a website within minutes of the FlexVolt announcement comparing the non existing 9.0 to the FV 2/6.0.

I look forward to more questionable (or misleading) stats from Red this year. I also expect they will try to shoot for the moon. They won’t like that they got out-innovated last year.

jkeating3 wrote:

6 minutes ago, jkeating3 said:

 

 

I look forward to more questionable (or misleading) stats from Red this year. I also expect they will try to shoot for the moon. They won’t like that they got out-innovated last year.

HAHA, can’t wait to see all the new LED lights they come out with!!!!!!  they should play off Ryobi’s theme… “One battery, 100+ lights, oh and we have some tools too.” I need to submit that to their marketing team!!

jkeating3 wrote:

43 minutes ago, jkeating3 said:

 

 

I look forward to more questionable (or misleading) stats from Red this year. I also expect they will try to shoot for the moon. They won’t like that they got out-innovated last year.

They really did have a fit last year. “we have a 10″ sliding mitre!” Dewalt “we have a 12″ hybrid sliding mitre” Milwaukee “new batteries! But new batteries! Ours uses same old batteries! Batteries!!!!”

Bremon wrote:

53 minutes ago, Bremon said:

They really did have a fit last year. “we have a 10″ sliding mitre!” Dewalt “we have a 12″ hybrid sliding mitre” Milwaukee “new batteries! But new batteries! Ours uses same old batteries! Batteries!!!!”

“Look how much more run time our larger battery has than their smaller battery!!” They might as well have said that their 3.0 batteries are better than DeWalts 2.0 batteries…

Cr8ondt wrote:

1 hour ago, Cr8ondt said:

HAHA, can’t wait to see all the new LED lights they come out with!!!!!!  they should play off Ryobi’s theme… “One battery, 100+ lights, oh and we have some tools too.” I need to submit that to their marketing team!!

That was last year’s NPS in a nutshell to me. “Check out our sweet lights and also here are some Me-too-ls.”

Last years NPS was a rehash of stuff from the year before that still hadn’t made it to market, a new season of heated gear walking down the runway, the next generation of Chinese hand tools, levels, knives, and a couple oddball gems like the transfer pump and trade specific goodies.

For the general contractor or woodworker Dewalt’s reveal was basically non-stop “and you could use this, this would speed you up, this is more powerful and affordable than Milwaukee, this is safer to operate than Milwaukee, and this is something Milwaukee never imagined”.

I’m a huge Milwaukee fan and I bought my first yellow tool a month after NPS16 and FlexVolt reveal. 

I really feel like this year was a lot of wins for DeWalt, and there really started to be cracks in Milwaukee’s armour.

jkeating3 wrote:

6 hours ago, jkeating3 said:

I really feel like this year was a lot of wins for DeWalt, and there really started to be cracks in Milwaukee’s armour.

I disagree with that, what is there in the dewalt line that you can’t get in milwaukee?

Framing nailer

Metal Connector Nailer

Rebar Cutter

What does yellow not have?

Full range of work lights

Oil Impulse Driver

A functioning 12v line with very job specific tools, PVC sheer, copper tubing cutter, right angle impact

Water Transfer pump… get my drift?

Not that one is superior to the other and the flex volt system is cool for stationary tools but it forced Dewalt users into yet another platform, where the other brands work with two packs or just 1 pack, yellows got some great tools but looking at the big picture is one line up really superior to the other any more? Not really, the competition has heated up tremendously but us tool guys just benefit from the extensive line ups and tools available, its about time Dewalt released a whole mess load of tools to keep guys from jumping ship, besides Chicago Electric is where its at bro!!

@JimboS1ice, so what kind of LED will you be presenting at this year at NPS17?

ROFL… Just poking fun 😛

Cr8ondt wrote:

[mention=51951]JimboS1ice[/mention], so what kind of LED will you be presenting at this year at NPS17?
ROFL… Just poking fun [emoji14]

I’m sure dewalts offerings for wood working and carpentry have been great recently but they definitely have their cracks.  I’m in ag construction where we do steel and grain bin erecting as well as metal fab. We had been exclusively dewalt for 15 years but have started switching over to milwaukee the last 3 years.  My main tool is a 1/2 compact impact wrench and a close second would be a cordless grinder.  Two tools that I think really benefit from being brushless yet dewalt still doesn’t have them.  I did buy a flexvolt grinder which is a nice tool but it’s really like having another battery platform and doesn’t work as a system with 20v max tools.

I always say, trade specific tools: go Milwaukee. At this stage I’d say GC/wood working go Dewalt. I’m very happy to have an extensive line of both in my collection. Plus if I want hardboiled eggs on the jobsite I only need to drill a few decent size holes with my 2704 and that little beast is ready to boil some water, right @JimboS1ice lol. 

Milwaukee does have a TrueView obsession that’s plain to see. Dewalt got my money for woodworking gear because Milwaukee nailers belong at the firing range with all that kickback, their planer is brushed, and their mitre saw has brutal dust collection that won’t work very well in my home shop. 

It took this long for Dewalt to eat into my Milwaukee budget because their releases were so sparse and half-assed I thought they might be leaving the tool business 😆

Dewalt has been filling the gaps the last year now with trade specific, but that is correct, if you only work a single trade Milwaukee is still far away the leader right now.

Where we’ll be in 5 years… I think that gap is going to close fast if not completely. The innovation of tool lines is coming to a conclusion, the tech that drives them is all that will be left to change. The innovative portion of the industry is destined to stagnate, leaving lots of evolutionary steps with very few revolutionary ones once all options that make profits are developed already. The step to flexvolt style solutions may very well be the last revolutionary thing to come to tools until micro high energy fuel cells come down the line to replace the aging lithium batteries we use today. 

@JimboS1iceYou’re not wrong, but compare that to a year ago or two years ago, and you’ll see what I mean.

No Chicago Electric in Canada. Can I interest you in some Mastercraft? Lifetime warranty on hand tools. No questions asked.

Dewalt is for construction/ carpentry guys with some hope for plumbing …I don’t get the whole flex is not compatible with 20v max thing .? If I want to use a real circular saw for framing I use flex,with flex batteries,, if I’m in the yard and need to cut a couple things I grab my 20v max saw,with a 5ah…I’m never going to grab a flex tool and want a 5ah or lower on it…..Milwaukee makes great tools ,I have many…some Bosch some, some Makita, but mostly ..Dewalt ..

.        ..what new system are you buying into ? Buy a flex saw or grinder or mitre and use a flex battery then use it on any max tool…people are upset why? They want to use a 20v battery on a flex tool ? What moron wants to put a 5ah or lower on a high battery draw tool ? If all you need is a 2ah battery then use a 20v tool..Ya you ..CAN put a 3ah on a Milwaukee mitre saw but why would you…See flex is designed not for DIY ..but for Contractors who NEED BIG POWA…BIG RUNTIME..BIG EVERYTHING,,,,!! ..If I want to grab my big 9ah Milwaukee battery and put it in my 12″ mitre ,,I can’t..or my table saw ,I can’t…or a real powerful circular saw ,I can’t…so my one battery platform from Milwaukee has big drawbacks…as in I don’t have …the tools…to shove the battery into…

.        …if I’m a plumber I’m probably all ..RED… if I was DIY  I’m probably all Makita.(massive line up) ,,but for a contractor I’m YELLOW and BLACK …

jkeating3 wrote:

19 hours ago, jkeating3 said:

I really feel like this year was a lot of wins for DeWalt, and there really started to be cracks in Milwaukee’s armour.

I feel just the opposite, And agree with @JimboS1ice, Milwaukee just didn’t need to get into the big picture here, I think Dewalt just couldn’t keep up with Milwaukee and had to try something to get everyone’s attention. And I think they did a good job, using Flexvolt for leverage between them and Milwaukee but in the end If milwaukee comes out with something more innovated than flexvolt capabilites I’m sure the never ending race will keep on going. To me If those battery’s get any bigger I’m going to have to hit the gym!

You can frame plenty with a 2731 with a 5.0. Even more with a 9.0. Or use two 18v batteries and have even more power than FlexVolt with the new Makita rear-handle. A circular saw isn’t the tool I’d go to to prove that point. Moreso the high draw tools like you said. It will be interesting to see comparisons between SDS Max Fuel and FlexVolt. The 20700 cells make all the difference. NPS17 will be interesting. “New M18 Fuel batteries: Fuel 6.0, Fuel 9.0: 1.1x redder than FlexVolt, 10x more innovative than standard RedLithium”. 

Bremon wrote:

1 hour ago, Bremon said:

You can frame plenty with a 2731 with a 5.0. Even more with a 9.0. Or use two 18v batteries and have even more power than FlexVolt with the new Makita rear-handle. A circular saw isn’t the tool I’d go to to prove that point. Moreso the high draw tools like you said. It will be interesting to see comparisons between SDS Max Fuel and FlexVolt. The 20700 cells make all the difference. NPS17 will be interesting. “New M18 Fuel batteries: Fuel 6.0, Fuel 9.0: 1.1x redder than FlexVolt, 10x more innovative than standard RedLithium”. 

Yep as I said their never will be a “stop” on tool innovation lol…

Unless you want to start doubling up batteries, etc. there’s going to come a point where Milwaukee can’t keep up to Makita and FlexVolt with power. It’s great that they want to keep forward-compatibility but there’s only so much they can do. They’ll end up with 20700 batteries and the runtime and draw will make new tools a possibility, but running a current 3.0-5.0 on it will mean your runtime is limited enough to be disappointing. It will all but force you to upgrade batteries, but for the “but what if I need just one more cut” guys will be satiated.

I think the next leap in a few years will be getting current Flexvolt power out of smaller batteries though some sort of more dense cells. I do think the size of the batteries is getting a little out of hand. I have some Flexvolt and they are great but are ridiculous on smaller tools like drills and multi tools. I think Bosch has the right idea with 20700 6ah batteries that are 35% smaller than the flex volt batteries.  Use that technology with the Makita x2 idea and you have the best of both worlds. 

Dewalt’s XR 6.0 for 20v Max is the same concept. 2 parallel sets of 5 20700 cells. The performance is greater than the 2.0/6.0 FlexVolt of 3 parralel sets of 5 18650 cells. 

Milwaukee may have a bunch of tools that DeWALT doesn’t have but are they tools the average guy would use? I see Milwaukee as being more a company geared towards plumbers, mechanical, electricians and hvac/r first and Rough/Finish/general carpentry last. I see DeWALT as being geared more towards the rough/finish/general carpenter first and the m,e,p,hvac/r guys last.

Very true @Jronman and as time passes and the companies stay in the same systems, as mentioned, those differences will disappear. 

Except in the 12v lines lol. Dewalt is practically a decade behind where that’s concerned. 

I get that some high demand tools require more power and run time than 18v battery can provide.  In those situations I can justify a second battery platform like flexvolt.  My biggest complaint is the missing brushless tools in the 20v line though.  On our work trucks we carry 10 batteries consisting of 4.0 and 5.0.  With crews of 2-4 people those batteries run impact wrenches and drivers, grinders, drills, and recip. Saws.  Although the flexvolt grinder might be more capable it requires a set of batteries just for that tool and for a grinder it’s nice to be able to cycle at least 3 batteries.  I personally prefer the fuel grinder even if it isnt as powerful because it works on the same battery platform.  I bought the flexvolt to be a shop grinder.  At the welding table I already have a welding cord, plasma cutting cord, and two ground cords.  So it was a way to get rid of the 5th cord.  In the shop I don’t care as much about compatibility because I’m closer to a charger and don’t have to worry about storage space like you do on a service truck.

So, realistically, for missing brushless tools you’re talking about a grinder and compact impact wrench? Brushless high torque: available. Impact drivers: available. Drills: available. Recip: coming soon. The backwards compatibility of FlexVolt packs means those batteries work on everything, and with the new 9.0 FlexVolt batteries you get more than twice the runtime of a 5.0. 

Yep, a 20v brushless grinder and compact impact wrench is all it would take to make me happy haha.