Anyone know when the 6.0 is coming out?

I’ve been using my dewalt tools more lately now that my Milwaukee drill is out for service. I could use some new batteries tho as all I have is the old 3.0, so anyone know when the 6 is supposed to come out?

AnonymousJoe wrote:

I’ve been using my dewalt tools more lately now that my Milwaukee drill is out for service. I could use some new batteries tho as all I have is the old 3.0, so anyone know when the 6 is supposed to come out?

Don’t count on a 20v xr 6ah pack, that’s probably what they made the flexvolt for, so they don’t have to make two of the same capacity…..might as well get the 5ah if you are looking to keep the size down

Sure but I was reading on toolguyd he had an article on the dewalt media event and he even showed a picture of the 20v xr 6.0 battery that is supposed to be released 

http://toolguyd.com/dewalt-2016-media-event-5-hot-tools/

if u scroll down you’ll see it

First off, it’s going to be a bit bigger and heavier, not flexvolt big but a little, hopefully to avoid the problems Bosch had.

Also the 6ah batteries tend to have a significant premium over the other batteries because of the expensive cells they use.  It’s almost 100% increase in price for up to a 20% increase in runtime.  That’s not worth it in my book.  I’m happy to seem them push the 5ah prices down though.

jeffmcmillan wrote:

First off, it’s going to be a bit bigger and heavier, not flexvolt big but a little, hopefully to avoid the problems Bosch had.

 

Also the 6ah batteries tend to have a significant premium over the other batteries because of the expensive cells they use.  It’s almost 100% increase in price for up to a 20% increase in runtime.  That’s not worth it in my book.  I’m happy to seem them push the 5ah prices down though.

Since u guys brought up flexvolt I have another question. I read somewhere about a tool having a noticeable power increase going from a compact battery to a higher capacity 10 cell battery.  Now would u see a noticeable power increase using a flexvolt battery because it has 15 cells vs a 4 or 5 ah battery with 10 cells? 

20v Max 6.0 is out in November. 3.0/9.0 FlexVolt is out in either November or January: there’s conflicting info out there. 

JimboS1ice wrote:

2 hours ago, JimboS1ice said:

 

Also an argument I’ve heard of the internal resistance was higher than a 5.0 and really didn’t improve runtime


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On 18650s that’s true. The 20v Max, like Metabo Li-HD and Bosch eneracer will use 20700s to compensate. M18 6.0 is 18650. 

Bremon wrote:

Just now, Bremon said:

On 18650s that’s true. The 20v Max, like Metabo Li-HD and Bosch eneracer will use 20700s to compensate. M18 6.0 is 18650. 

Yea the 20700s are awesome, but doubt well see dewalt introduce that tech in their 20v battery

JimboS1ice wrote:

35 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:

Yea the 20700s are awesome, but doubt well see dewalt introduce that tech in their 20v battery

From the pictures it looks like they use them in the 20V 6.0

AnonymousJoe wrote:

1 hour ago, AnonymousJoe said:

Since u guys brought up flexvolt I have another question. I read somewhere about a tool having a noticeable power increase going from a compact battery to a higher capacity 10 cell battery.  Now would u see a noticeable power increase using a flexvolt battery because it has 15 cells vs a 4 or 5 ah battery with 10 cells? 

That depends on if the tools is capable of using the extra power, and before you ask I have no idea which ones.  It will also take longer to overheat in heavy use for any tool.

AnonymousJoe wrote:

1 hour ago, AnonymousJoe said:

Since u guys brought up flexvolt I have another question. I read somewhere about a tool having a noticeable power increase going from a compact battery to a higher capacity 10 cell battery.  Now would u see a noticeable power increase using a flexvolt battery because it has 15 cells vs a 4 or 5 ah battery with 10 cells? 

The higher capacity batteries certainly are able to provide more current due to the extra cell. That should also hold for 15 cell compared to 10 cell batteries. HOWEVER, not all tools are manufactured to take advantage of the extra current. Drills usually aren’t, impact drivers usually are (for instance).

JimboS1ice wrote:

40 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:

Yea the 20700s are awesome, but doubt well see dewalt introduce that tech in their 20v battery

I’m literally repeating information from Dewalt. The 6.0 is bigger than the 5.0 for a reason. 20700 are the future. Everyone will get there eventually, whether willingly or kicking and screaming 

Lots of info here thanks. With all that said I’m suprised Milwaukee would use the 18650 in their 6.0 , ithought their battery tech was supposed to be top of the line.

I started out with dewalt tools and a year ago I switched to Milwaukee. The one thing I’ve noticed is that when using my Milwaukee drill I can tell u the exact moment the battery is halfway run down because u notice the power/performance drop. 

Theres a lot more to batteries than I thought and I’m just starting to get into it and read about it so thanks for the info.

They also use the 18650 style in the 9.0. 

Bremon wrote:

2 hours ago, Bremon said:

They also use the 18650 style in the 9.0. 

which shouldn’t be a problem because there are three rows of cells to provide current.

I am (as noted above) also concerned about their 6Ah batteries being a compromise. Having said that the M12 6ah batteries are awesome. 

dwain wrote:

1 hour ago, dwain said:

 

which shouldn’t be a problem because there are three rows of cells to provide current.

 

I am (as noted above) also concerned about their 6Ah batteries being a compromise. Having said that the M12 6ah batteries are awesome. 

 

What about the compact 3ah?  That seems really questionable.

jeffmcmillan wrote:

What about the compact 3ah?  That seems really questionable.

jeffmcmillan wrote:

14 hours ago, jeffmcmillan said:

First off, it’s going to be a bit bigger and heavier, not flexvolt big but a little, hopefully to avoid the problems Bosch had.

What problems did Bosch have with their 6.0 Ah battery?

Bosch 6.0 Ah batteries use regular 18650 cells, while their 6.3 Ah EneRacer battery switches to 20700 cells, like Metabo LiHD [max. 6.2 Ah] batteries, the newest cordless power tool batteries from Panasonic themselves and the upcoming 6 Ah XR and 9Ah FlexVolt batteries from DeWALT.

Pictures of Metabo LiHD, the new DeWalt XR 6-0 Ah + FlexVolt 9-0 Ah and Bosch EneRacer GBA 18V 6.3 Ah battery packs which all use 20700 cells instead of the usual 18650 cells.

Dimensions:

18650 cells: diameter 18 mm; length 65 mm.

20700 cells: diameter 20 mm; length 70 mm.

Picture sources:
Pic 1-6: https://www.bosch-professional.com/de/de/community/category/eneracer-die-neue-akkutechnologie/10603405-t
Pic 7-9: http://www.sg-toolbox.com/bosch-eneracer/

Pic 10-11: http://toolguyd.com/dewalt-2016-media-event-5-hot-tools/

Pic 12-13 http://www.coptool.com/cordless-power-tool-lihd-battery-cells-18650-vs-20700/

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DeWALT FlexVolt 9.0 Ah battery with 20700 cells. FlexVolt 6.0 Ah only use 18650 cells according to Coptool.

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DeWALT XR 6.0 Ah battery with 20700 cells

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Tesla will switch from 18650 cells to 21700 cells for the upcoming Model 3, previously they said 20700, but they have changed it to 21700 or 2170 as they call it.

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Metabo LiHD with Panasonic/Sanyo 20700 cells at the top

I think part of the differences is tesla moving to 20700 so in addition to the 30% volume increase the cells themselves have a higher performance.

The Bosch 6.0 batteries would often have a shorter runtime than 5.0 because at high draw the battery wasted more energy and heated up.

The new 6.3ah bosch battery has just been released in the UK but stores haven’t got them in stock yet so as soon as I see one online in buying it ! Bosch say the new battery makes your 18v tool as powerful as a corded 1500w motor tool


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Craigh9916 wrote:

14 hours ago, Craigh9916 said:

 

Bosch say the new battery makes your 18v tool as powerful as a corded 1500w motor tool

1500 W / 18 V = 83.3 A

EneRacer has 2 rows of cells in parallel, so that’s 83.3 A / 2 = 41.7 A discharge rate per cell @ 1500 W.

However the datasheet for Panasonic NCR20700A hasn’t listed any specifications above 30 A discharge rate: http://akkuplus.de/mediafiles/Datenblatt/Panasonic/Panasonic_NCR20700A.pdf

PH1 wrote:

 

1500 W / 18 V = 83.3 A

EneRacer has 2 cells in parallel, so that’s 83.3 A / 2 = 41.7 A discharge rate per cell @ 1500 W.

However the datasheet for Panasonic NCR20700A hasn’t listed any specifications above 30 A discharge rate: http://akkuplus.de/mediafiles/Datenblatt/Panasonic/Panasonic_NCR20700A.pdf

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PH1 wrote:

12 hours ago, PH1 said:

 

1500 W / 18 V = 83.3 A

EneRacer has 2 cells in parallel, so that’s 83.3 A / 2 = 41.7 A discharge rate per cell @ 1500 W.

However the datasheet for Panasonic NCR20700A hasn’t listed any specifications above 30 A discharge rate: http://akkuplus.de/mediafiles/Datenblatt/Panasonic/Panasonic_NCR20700A.pdf

Only 2 cells? You mean two rows of cells?

Also, the above didn’t really answer WHY the 6Ah Bosch batteries perform poorly (or poorer than the 5Ah anyway).

I believe it’s because the cells used (3000mAh) aren’t capable of the same current (A) as the 2000mAh and 2500mAh cells used in 4Ah and 5Ah batteries. Someone who knows battery tech better can hopefully offer a better answer.

dwain wrote:

17 minutes ago, dwain said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only 2 cells? You mean two rows of cells?

For this calculation, where you know the total current discharge rate from the battery pack only the number of cells in parallel matters as they have to share the total current discharge between them regardless of how many cells are in series. But yes it has 10 cells in total in a 5S2P configuration (2 parallel rows of 5 cells).

PH1 wrote:

2 minutes ago, PH1 said:

For this calculation, where you know the total current discharge rate from the battery pack only the number of cells in parallel matters as they have to share the total current discharge between them regardless of how many cells are in series. But yes it has 10 cells in total in a 5S2P configuration (2 parallel rows of 5 cells).

Yep, you’re totally right. Cells in series only combine voltage, so it’s the number of rows  that counts.

Had me puzzled for a minute there!

dwain wrote:

2 minutes ago, dwain said:

 

 

 

 

Yep, you’re totally right. Cells in series only combine voltage, so it’s the number of rows  that counts.

 

Had me puzzled for a minute there!

I have now edited my post to say 2 rows of cells in parallel, to avoid any confusion. That’s a better way to describe it, so thanks.

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Yeah boyyyyyyy!!!! Awesome!

don´t you mean the dewalt 6,0Ah batteries in this thread ?

they are just “around the corner” !

anyone know this date ?

also the flexvolt 9,0Ah batteries to be released when ?

what I know for sure is the abbreviation

= x

so a x2 kit willhabe 2x flexvolt battery with 9,0ah 

cheers

I am betting the 9.0ah FlexVolt and 6.0ah 20v will be released right around the same time.

6.0ah STAFDA showing today on the new D handle rotary hammer.

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midogrumpy wrote:

don´t you mean the dewalt 6,0Ah batteries in this thread ?

 

 

they are just “around the corner” !

 

anyone know this date ?

 

 

also the flexvolt 9,0Ah batteries to be released when ?

what I know for sure is the abbreviation

= x

so a x2 kit willhabe 2x flexvolt battery with 9,0ah 

 

cheers

Craigh9916 wrote:

12 hours ago, Craigh9916 said:

Yes I was supposed to post this in another thread !! I will re post lol


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Haha i was super confused there for a second… Plus I haven’t had my coffee yet?

In June at the Dewalt event the 20v 6.0 was announced but a release date was not confirmed. The 9.0 however was confirmed for a 2017 release but not a specific 2017 date. I think Dewalt made the 20v 6.0 as a compact alternative to flexvolt 6.0

6.0 is soon I believe. 9.0 is January.