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HiltiWpg wrote:

4 minutes ago, HiltiWpg said:

A little bit! Mostly from science deniers who think Facebook memes are more credible than educated professionals!


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Speaking of hilti I snapped a chisel bit yesterday with an Te 3000 avr I’ve never had that happen to me.

Bremon wrote:

44 minutes ago, Bremon said:

And just in case Milwaukee downgraded the 2706 from the 2704:

 

People actually pay attention to the rated bit sizes?  I always assumed they were made up and trusted my own poor judgement.

pancing wrote:

45 minutes ago, pancing said:

Yeah sorry dude, I worked as a repair tech at home depot for 4 years or so, If I was the tech and I opened your tools up and I saw all that, I would defintely say you killed it with the dust and I would jot down a reason code being customer neglect aka normal wear and tear. After opening up many many milwaukee tools they are not meant to deflect dust or have dust run through them, in fact No tool would survive the abuse you put that thing through I’m putting this to you straight man, As someone that’s seen this thousands of times taking shit apart and putting it back together, if you’re working with drywall every day, day in and day out you’re better off using a roto zip, or something similar, not to bust your balls but tool manufacturers just dont make shit last forever, you went through the tool’s intended life, to milwaukee, you got what you paid for.

That is complete BS.  I’ve opened plenty of tools that looked much worse and were working or failed from something non-dust-related.  If you take dust control super seriously on the jobsite maybe all your festools will look as clean as off the assembly line but on a normal jobsite the vents suck in dust period. /rant

pancing wrote:

Speaking of hilti I snapped a chisel bit yesterday with an Te 3000 avr I’ve never had that happen to me.

jeffmcmillan wrote:

1 minute ago, jeffmcmillan said:

 

People actually pay attention to the rated bit sizes?  I always assumed they were made up and trusted my own poor judgement.

 

That is complete BS.  I’ve opened plenty of tools that looked much worse and were working or failed from something non-dust-related.  If you take dust control super seriously on the jobsite maybe all your festools will look as clean as off the assembly line but on a normal jobsite the vents suck in dust period. /rant

I don’t know what to tell you man, I dissected thousands of drills, sawzalls oddly enough thats the majority of the small tools I’ve worked on. 90% of the time I’ve failed a tool for warranty is if there was a massive collection of dust, its just in the script and from what I’ve seen and done a tool has failed because of dust and debris. ALso what about festool i dont even have any

HiltiWpg wrote:

24 minutes ago, HiltiWpg said:

Damn, I’ve never seen that either!

What were you chiseling?



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some concrete tile lol.

HiltiWpg wrote:

1 hour ago, HiltiWpg said:

I appreciate you posting the manual but I choose to believe my feelings and hearsay over factual evidence.
I feel it is more likely a billion dollar company made a mistake in the manual then the likelyhood a tool reviewer made a mistake.


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In case it wasn’t clear, my opinion is that both the manual and the guy with the leaky gearbox made a mistake. I don’t feel the 2704 should be used with 5/8″ masonry bits. 

JerryNY wrote:

1 hour ago, JerryNY said:

Well Milwaukee has good reason to keep the ratings low for hole saw diameter. Firstly for warranty claims obviously but secondly if you drill lots of big holes they have a nice Hole Hawg to sell you. I still think it’s crazy the big ass Hawg is only rated for 4″ holes and you need the even bigger Super Hawg for 6″. I think they are way conservative on those models though. My fuel 2 hammer drill worked fine for a 6.5″ hole but it did get hot and I wouldn’t make a habit of doing such big holes with a smallish drill. 

I think the problem with the hole Hawg is it’s single speed. If it had low gear it would be much more capable but it’s basically aimed at people who want 7/8″ or 1″ holes with an auger bit all day every day lol. 

JerryNY wrote:

19 hours ago, JerryNY said:

 

Wait… you disassembled both the old and new tools and swapped the innards to return the new tools with the worn out parts? Setting aside the moral and legal issues you can’t judge a tool completely accurately if you’re cracking them open and swapping things around. I’ve never had an issue with HD taking back anything within the 90 days including power tools,  that failed and swapped them for new ones, never had it happen with a Milwaukee tool though. 

 

I would have just cleaned up the tools and did a straight return or exchange. I’m not sure why this is an issue for you.

I didn’t know that.. they gave me crap about returning the one I bot a few days before..I did see the 90 days on my new Makita stuff.. if they had that back then I didn’t know about it.

I will take apart a dead Fuel impact  drill today and see why it failed…I used it for about 4 month before it died ..

I cant figure out why the impact drill is dead.. motor looks good but all the connectors are enclosed in epoxy ..

JerryNY wrote:

On 10/17/2016 at 7:13 PM, JerryNY said:

One thing to mention that I do with ALL MY TOOLS, especially when cutting PVC trim which becomes a static holy mess all over, is at the end of the day I usually blast things with a blower. I hate dust and grunge building up on my tools but maybe that’s just me 😉

Do yourself a favor pick up a can of static guard and spray your tools and cloths down before you start working with PVC it works wonders.

rought wrote:

6 minutes ago, rought said:

I cant figure out why the impact drill is dead.. motor looks good but all the connectors are enclosed in epoxy ..

I can’t figure out why you don’t go to Milwaukee direct with warranty issues, the first time a company denies me of a dead tool within it’s warranty time frame will be the last time…..I’ve been around power tools corded and or otherwise to know how to treat them if it dies chances are it won’t be my fault and there will be nobody that says otherwise……..

regopit wrote:

9 minutes ago, regopit said:

Do yourself a favor pick up a can of static guard and spray your tools and cloths down before you start working with PVC it works wonders.

Lol. Where were you the week I spent doing the trim outside my house! I’ll have to try that next time.

rought wrote:

20 minutes ago, rought said:

I cant figure out why the impact drill is dead.. motor looks good but all the connectors are enclosed in epoxy ..

 

Are you sure it’s not the trigger? Triggers are often the weak link in modern tools as they usually are a tiny microswitch. If you have a multimeter you could test the windings etc to see if there is something going on there.

2nd the switch/trigger.

Brushless tools rely too heavily on electronics. It’s the Achilles heel.
For the abuse you are heaping on your tools, go back to brushed. Much easier to fix and less delicate. Brushed 4 pole stuff like Hilti, Ridgid and Makita has equivalent torque to most brushless.
4 poles dramatically reduce losses through the commutator, battery life and torque are very similar to brushless too.

This is a very inexpensive option:
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XDT11Z

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JerryNY wrote:

1 hour ago, JerryNY said:

 

Are you sure it’s not the trigger? Triggers are often the weak link in modern tools as they usually are a tiny microswitch. If you have a multimeter you could test the windings etc to see if there is something going on there.

I’ve had to send in one impact(second hand, lightly used) for a faulty trigger. Mind you I have 10 impacts and drills between my m12 and m18 tools

regopit wrote:

16 hours ago, regopit said:

Do yourself a favor pick up a can of static guard and spray your tools and cloths down before you start working with PVC it works wonders.

thanks ill try that

JerryNY wrote:

15 hours ago, JerryNY said:

 

Are you sure it’s not the trigger? Triggers are often the weak link in modern tools as they usually are a tiny microswitch. If you have a multimeter you could test the windings etc to see if there is something going on there.

I cant get to the then everything is covered in epoxy. that was what i had planned to do

qoute( I can’t figure out why you don’t go to Milwaukee direct with warranty issues, the first time a company denies me of a dead tool within it’s warranty time frame will be the last time…..I’ve been around power tools corded and or otherwise to know how to treat them if it dies chances are it won’t be my fault and there will be nobody that says otherwise… )

because even if i did get them repaired they don’t last long enough to be worth it.. i cant send them back in every few month to get repaired..i just want a tool i can trust that lasts…i have lost all my faith in Milwaukee to the point were.. its not even worth getting repairs..cutting my losses.. and trying to warn other not to make this same mistake.

HiltiWpg wrote:

14 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:

2nd the switch/trigger.

Brushless tools rely too heavily on electronics. It’s the Achilles heel.
For the abuse you are heaping on your tools, go back to brushed. Much easier to fix and less delicate. Brushed 4 pole stuff like Hilti, Ridgid and Makita has equivalent torque to most brushless.
4 poles dramatically reduce losses through the commutator, battery life and torque are very similar to brushless too.

This is a very inexpensive option:
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XDT11Z

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 i already got that inexpensive option and am very happy. thanks..

i dont think it is the trigger because the 3 power setting just above the battery dont even light up..they used to without pressing the trigger….it could be trigger but doubt it..

rought wrote:

1 hour ago, rought said:

qoute( I can’t figure out why you don’t go to Milwaukee direct with warranty issues, the first time a company denies me of a dead tool within it’s warranty time frame will be the last time…..I’ve been around power tools corded and or otherwise to know how to treat them if it dies chances are it won’t be my fault and there will be nobody that says otherwise… )

 

 

because even if i did get them repaired they don’t last long enough to be worth it.. i cant send them back in every few month to get repaired..i just want a tool i can trust that lasts…i have lost all my faith in Milwaukee to the point were.. its not even worth getting repairs..cutting my losses.. and trying to warn other not to make this same mistake.

I’m happy to say that I really have never had your experience with either Milwaukee tools or with their repair service.  I’m not sure what sort of bad red tool mojo you’ve got going on, but it sounds most unfortunate.

khariV wrote:

7 hours ago, khariV said:

 

I’m happy to say that I really have never had your experience with either Milwaukee tools or with their repair service.  I’m not sure what sort of bad red tool mojo you’ve got going on, but it sounds most unfortunate.

Most unfortunate…

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Yes, this thread seems like Count Olaf builds these tools. What’s Olaf in Chinese? 😛

Bremon wrote:

What’s Olaf in Chinese? [emoji14]

Looks like those had some rough use. But should have lasted longer than they did. 

If you are using compressed air to dust out your power tools at any time, you should never do so while the tool is running. Doing so while running a power tool of any type will accelerate the wear and tear on components by a large factor, especially one with brushes. This includes running compressed air through a tool in a manner that causes the armature to spin. Also limiting the air pressure when dusting out a tool can be a good idea as well. Many tools use shielded bearings instead of sealed, and high pressure air can force dust and debris into those bearings, shortening the life.

I agree with JMG, plus never use an air compressor unless airflow is turned way down and you have an inline water filter…..

I’m sorry but things just aren’t adding up here. In the OP’s original post there was a photo posted of the various tools that no longer work and bashing the company for the issues he is having. Isn’t one of the tools an impact driver? the entire bottom is caked with what looks like drywall dust. How the F do you somehow cake an area in drywall dust between the tool and battery on a tool not designed to do anything with drywall except put screws into it? I’d say some of the problem does not appear to be with milwaukee but with the careless abuse of the tools by the OP.

Then an HD repair tech chimed in claiming that if the tools looked as dirty as ones pictures they had a response for that. of course… It is called saving money. Why repair a failed product if you could just blame it on the user. So what if the product was being used as intended and it has a design flaw. If I buy a saw and the fan sucks in the material being cut, that is not on me.

BTW, I’ve had dozens and dozens of contractors work for me over the years and not one ever made a mess like what would be needed to make the tools look like they do in a few of those photos. Might be worth investigating into keeping the area a bit cleaner to save money in the long run.

I just hope with that much dust all the guys on that crew wear good respirators with freshly swapped cartridges otherwise prematurely failing tools will be the least of their problems…

MikeInCtown wrote:

34 minutes ago, MikeInCtown said:

I’m sorry but things just aren’t adding up here. In the OP’s original post there was a photo posted of the various tools that no longer work and bashing the company for the issues he is having. Isn’t one of the tools an impact driver? the entire bottom is caked with what looks like drywall dust. How the F do you somehow cake an area in drywall dust between the tool and battery on a tool not designed to do anything with drywall except put screws into it? I’d say some of the problem does not appear to be with milwaukee but with the careless abuse of the tools by the OP.

 

Then an HD repair tech chimed in claiming that if the tools looked as dirty as ones pictures they had a response for that. of course… It is called saving money. Why repair a failed product if you could just blame it on the user. So what if the product was being used as intended and it has a design flaw. If I buy a saw and the fan sucks in the material being cut, that is not on me.

 

BTW, I’ve had dozens and dozens of contractors work for me over the years and not one ever made a mess like what would be needed to make the tools look like they do in a few of those photos. Might be worth investigating into keeping the area a bit cleaner to save money in the long run.

Generally speaking, I’m not one to start a flame war, but I’d like to weigh in in support of your observations.  If you look closer at the pictures, the replacement Makita tools, including the drywall cutout tool which could legitimately be covered in drywall dust, are quite clean.  While I admit that I’m probably overly cautious about dust and grime building up in my tools, I have no idea how much dust you’d have to have in the air to have as much build up as shown in these pictures.  The state of battery attachment plate and the switch of the disassembled blower look like they’ve been sitting in a bin of drywall dust.  I’ve done my fair share of drywalling over the past 20 years and anything that I don’t want coated in dust gets covered or moved out of the sanding area, not tossed into the corner or left at the bottom of the wall where I’m making  a mess. 

Just my 2 cents…

khariV wrote:

16 minutes ago, khariV said:

Generally speaking, I’m not one to start a flame war, but I’d like to weigh in in support of your observations.  If you look closer at the pictures, the replacement Makita tools, including the drywall cutout tool which could legitimately be covered in drywall dust, are quite clean.  While I admit that I’m probably overly cautious about dust and grime building up in my tools, I have no idea how much dust you’d have to have in the air to have as much build up as shown in these pictures.  The state of battery attachment plate and the switch of the disassembled blower look like they’ve been sitting in a bin of drywall dust.  I’ve done my fair share of drywalling over the past 20 years and anything that I don’t want coated in dust gets covered or moved out of the sanding area, not tossed into the corner or left at the bottom of the wall where I’m making  a mess. 

 

Just my 2 cents…

Exactly. I used my DeWalt cutout tool a couple months back while I was cutting hole after hole for can lights in drywall ceiling tiles in a commercial kitchen. Dust flying everywhere and getting sucked into the fan and even that never looked as bad as the photos. I’ve also done demo work and never had a tool get messed up so much. I use my impact driver for something almost every day. Admittedly not all day every day, but it gets use nonetheless. The only thing wrong with it is that it is scraped up. I can’t imagine the mess I would have to make to have it look that bad.

khariV wrote:

Generally speaking, I’m not one to start a flame war, but I’d like to weigh in in support of your observations.  If you look closer at the pictures, the replacement Makita tools, including the drywall cutout tool which could legitimately be covered in drywall dust, are quite clean.  While I admit that I’m probably overly cautious about dust and grime building up in my tools, I have no idea how much dust you’d have to have in the air to have as much build up as shown in these pictures.  The state of battery attachment plate and the switch of the disassembled blower look like they’ve been sitting in a bin of drywall dust.  I’ve done my fair share of drywalling over the past 20 years and anything that I don’t want coated in dust gets covered or moved out of the sanding area, not tossed into the corner or left at the bottom of the wall where I’m making  a mess. 

 

Just my 2 cents…

MikeInCtown wrote:

Exactly. I used my DeWalt cutout tool a couple months back while I was cutting hole after hole for can lights in drywall ceiling tiles in a commercial kitchen. Dust flying everywhere and getting sucked into the fan and even that never looked as bad as the photos. I’ve also done demo work and never had a tool get messed up so much. I use my impact driver for something almost every day. Admittedly not all day every day, but it gets use nonetheless. The only thing wrong with it is that it is scraped up. I can’t imagine the mess I would have to make to have it look that bad.

rought wrote:

On 10/16/2016 at 9:11 PM, rought said:

I sent two back and they wanted $120.00 each to fix. said they were not covered under warranty. They failed from normal wear and tear.. those drills were only 1 month old.. I was so pissed.. that I went to Home Depot and bought another set and changed the insides, then returned the ones I bough the next day..

…where they went right back on the shelf to be resold.  I feel sorry for the poor SOB who bought them.

dwasifar wrote:

On 12/14/2016 at 0:52 AM, dwasifar said:

 

…where they went right back on the shelf to be resold.  I feel sorry for the poor SOB who bought them.

If He said they weren’t working etc, they would have had to RTV (Return to vendor( For Credit)).

But to chime in a few months old thread, I recently Denied a Customer an RTM ( Lowe’s version of RTV ) on a DCD996 combo kit (Hammer, Impact) Caked in drywall/mud with him screaming at me saying “THE DAMN THING LASTED A WEEK THIS IS BULLSHIT, DEWALT IS SHIT” etc etc. Told him if he had bothered to even clean the kit up there would have been no question we’d have just taken it.

pancing wrote:

10 hours ago, pancing said:

If He said they weren’t working etc, they would have had to RTV (Return to vendor( For Credit)).

 

But to chime in a few months old thread, I recently Denied a Customer an RTM ( Lowe’s version of RTV ) on a DCD996 combo kit (Hammer, Impact) Caked in drywall/mud with him screaming at me saying “THE DAMN THING LASTED A WEEK THIS IS BULLSHIT, DEWALT IS SHIT” etc etc. Told him if he had bothered to even clean the kit up there would have been no question we’d have just taken it.

Good point. I hope he did, then.

My wife used to work service desk at Home Depot, and she would tell me all sorts of stories about what people would try to return.  They had a LOT of scammers, because the store policies were so lax.  They’d have taken back your customer’s abused tools.  Now she works at Lowe’s and they’re a lot stricter.  But if your customer was paying attention to what you told him, I bet he went home, cleaned them up, and returned them at a different Lowe’s.

dwasifar wrote:

23 hours ago, dwasifar said:

 

Good point. I hope he did, then.

 

My wife used to work service desk at Home Depot, and she would tell me all sorts of stories about what people would try to return.  They had a LOT of scammers, because the store policies were so lax.  They’d have taken back your customer’s abused tools.  Now she works at Lowe’s and they’re a lot stricter.  But if your customer was paying attention to what you told him, I bet he went home, cleaned them up, and returned them at a different Lowe’s.

They do

Man that’s strange I guess you just have bad luck outta the 5 years I have used Milwaukee tools outside in the mud,dirt,water,sand and just abused the crap out of them in freezing temps all I have done is had a guy on my jobsite burn up a non fuel drill but he trying to core drill a 4″ hole with it lol (new guy) and had a couple batteries go bad but my local dealer always swaps them out with no questions asked

I have power tools from several major companies and have had no real problems with any of them.

I believe this is due to proper tool usage and maintenance. Whether it’s tools, guns or vehicles, proper care will almost always result in longer life. Once you get in the habit of doing this you become more efficient and the time it takes to maintain tools is no problem. JMHO 

you guys take it for what it is.. im not here to piss off any fan boys.and im not here to make stuff up either. im just telling my experience with Milwaukee..if you like Milwaukee and it works for you,, that great..

I am still using my One Makita drill and one hammer drill. those two drill have out lasted all 6 of my Milwaukee combined and i see no sign of problems any time soon.. same work load  .

I will say again Milwaukees work great and have the best selection and inventory by far..they just don’t last for me..

i have posted pictures of these tools,,,even apart.. if you think im making this up. you are delusional…

here is a picture of a new Milwaukee motor and a older Dewault motor see anything different..

my biggest worry about Milwaukees is,,, they get super hot..my Makita doesn’t

and Milwaukees from 5 years ago are not the same. different company. Chinese don’t just make them. they own the company too..

TTI has owned Milwaukee for nearly 13 years so they’ve been a “different company” for a while now. Through the V18 debacle and now through the successes of M12 and M18 so I’m not sure what ownership has to do with anything. Maybe Hilti and their 20 year warranty would better suit your needs. 

Bremon wrote:

4 hours ago, Bremon said:

TTI has owned Milwaukee for nearly 13 years so they’ve been a “different company” for a while now. Through the V18 debacle and now through the successes of M12 and M18 so I’m not sure what ownership has to do with anything. Maybe Hilti and their 20 year warranty would better suit your needs. 

they sold to Techtronic.in 2oo6.. so its been 10 years.

not sure what that would do with anything..?

Chinese company buys them . you don’t think anything would change?

thanks for the tip on Hilti they make amazing tools… but they are not readily available .and very expensive.

I am not having problems anymore though. i have stopped using Millwaukee… makitas and  delwaults seems to not break on me.. i have yet to break one since I switched…and they run much cooler,

rought wrote:

14 minutes ago, rought said:

they sold to Techtronic.in 2oo6.. so its been 10 years.

not sure what that would do with anything..?

Chinese company buys them . you don’t think anything would change?

thanks for the tip on Hilti they make amazing tools… but they are not readily available .and very expensive.

I am not having problems anymore though. i have stopped using Millwaukee… makitas and  delwaults seems to not break on me.. i have yet to break one since I switched…and they run much cooler,

Actually the sale was in 2005, so split the difference at 12 years 🙂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Electric_Tool_Corporation

@rought I can agree with you about temperature. My DCD791 and DCD996 run far far cooler than my Fuel 2704, which gets hot enough to be uncomfortable. They try to pack too much power into too small of a drill imo. 

Bremon wrote:

[mention=55386]rought[/mention] I can agree with you about temperature. My DCD791 and DCD996 run far far cooler than my Fuel 2704, which gets hot enough to be uncomfortable. They try to pack too much power into too small of a drill imo. 

HiltiWpg wrote:

54 minutes ago, HiltiWpg said:

In Canada, Milwaukee markets that as “portable 2 in 1 jobsite heater”.


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Bremon wrote:

2 hours ago, Bremon said:

@rought I can agree with you about temperature. My DCD791 and DCD996 run far far cooler than my Fuel 2704, which gets hot enough to be uncomfortable. They try to pack too much power into too small of a drill imo. 

NPS 2017

Milwaukee Rep announces, “Thank you for joining us today. At Milwaukee our customers have noticed our m18 and m12 tools heat up quickly and we wanted to provide a solution to their problem. We have worked extremely hard this past year and are announcing a new technology called Milwaukee Frost. It is part of our goal to bring disruptive innovation to our products. It is a brand new cooling system we will be implementing in future m12, m18, and m18x2 tool releases. Milwaukee Frost will be the standard in tool cooling technology. Milwaukee Frost actively cools the tool when under extreme load. During testing we have found our tools perform 20% cooler than our other models that do not include Milwaukee Frost technology. Because the tools perform cooler we are able to get 15% more run time with our batteries when paired with a tool that has Milwaukee Frost. In addition to Frost tools we are working on m18 frost and m12 frost batteries. We will divulge more information about these batteries next year. We should be seeing Milwaukee Frost tools starting to release in the next couple months. At only a $20 premium over our previous models we feel Milwaukee Frost is a great buy. That will be all for our presentation. We hope you enjoyed the presentation and hope you will enjoy our other tool releases. Thank you. 

*energetic music plays*
*smoke is dispensed*
*Milwaukee rep rides off the stage in style on a Milwaukee red segway*

well the new design  is badly needed.. nice info..thx.

i thought fan boys were going to jump on me for saying that..

I figured i would have to make a video with a thermo camera showing  the difference between  manufactures and tool temps..under same work load. but everyone seems to agree on this problem. Milwaukee as well

I said all along that, i felt it was the temperature of the tool that caused premature failure.,,not drywall dust, not blowing out the motors.

when a drill gets so hot  you cant even grasp the top  of  it (were the motor is)…(you have a problem)

the tools are fine for a light user but not a heavy user..

sure my grandfather could get 20 years out of a Milwaukee drill,,,  but not me.

the warranty covers them from having to take responsibility for the bad design too..which makes me not trust them.

even with the new cooler design. i will not buy Milwaukee. at least not until Makita or DeWalt try and pull the same crap…

not covering normal wear and tear.

..reminds me of the 10 warranty you get on some brands of fertilizer ..if you know what i mean.

I sure miss the selection Milwaukee has though. Makita has horrible selection of cordless tool easily available..but i know the tools wont let me down,

My old M12 Fuel and M18 Fuel ran very hot. I built a deck and thought the M18 Fuel was going to catch fire, but it didn’t. It didn’t even thermally protect itself. Is it bad design? Possibly, but the tool didn’t fail.



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Jronman wrote:

5 hours ago, Jronman said:

 

NPS 2017

Milwaukee Rep announces, “Thank you for joining us today. At Milwaukee our customers have noticed our m18 and m12 tools heat up quickly and we wanted to provide a solution to their problem. We have worked extremely hard this past year and are announcing a new technology called Milwaukee Frost. It is part of our goal to bring disruptive innovation to our products. It is a brand new cooling system we will be implementing in future m12, m18, and m18x2 tool releases. Milwaukee Frost will be the standard in tool cooling technology. Milwaukee Frost actively cools the tool when under extreme load. During testing we have found our tools perform 20% cooler than our other models that do not include Milwaukee Frost technology. Because the tools perform cooler we are able to get 15% more run time with our batteries when paired with a tool that has Milwaukee Frost. In addition to Frost tools we are working on m18 frost and m12 frost batteries. We will divulge more information about these batteries next year. We should be seeing Milwaukee Frost tools starting to release in the next couple months. At only a $20 premium over our previous models we feel Milwaukee Frost is a great buy. That will be all for our presentation. We hope you enjoyed the presentation and hope you will enjoy our other tool releases. Thank you. 

*energetic music plays*
*smoke is dispensed*
*Milwaukee rep rides off the stage in style on a Milwaukee red segway*

LOL!!!!  You have a bright future ahead of yourself…. A bright red future bbahahhhaha 

So the pre-fuel drills do not have a cooling fan? I know my fuel drills do, but I haven’t used a brushed drill to know what they are like. 

The brushed definitely have fans, they run hotter than the Fuel, which is worrisome because my 2704 runs hot enough to cause concern lol. 

Looking at a fuel drill it’s easy to see how it’s lacking on vent holes. Look at a dewalt and they are everywhere

AnonymousJoe wrote:

10 hours ago, AnonymousJoe said:

Looking at a fuel drill it’s easy to see how it’s lacking on vent holes. 

Thats so the liquid freon does not escape…