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Just thought I would share this as I picked it up after work today!!!! Can’t wait to put it through its paces!!!
How heavy is it? Anyway to add a lumber hook?
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Not as heavy as I thought it would be!! It is a it heavier than the 18/20v trim saw but not so much so it is cumbersome.
As for a lumber hook I can’t see a means of fitting one but that’s not to say that it is not possible.
Nice pickup…..ordered mine and still waiting, waiting and waiting. [emoji16][emoji16][emoji35]
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Nice saw @DooDar!
First FlexVolt seen in the wild here, I do believe!
Festool has their own cordless flexible voltage saw… HKC 55 I believe
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Did a couple of comparison pics of the two cordless saws last night.
You take care of your tools, I need to do better with mine ?
I think I’m getting a chubby. That thing looks awesome. Can’t wait to see some performance tests with it.
Look forward to non-factory performance report. Handsome saw! Hope you enjoy it.
Can’t wait for impressions after you break it in doodar! FlexVolt batteries aren’t too unwieldy it seems, and it’s nice that the battery gauge is on the front now.
is the 5 vs 6 weight comparable?
Ok
I have had the saw for just over a week now and I have been battering it over the last few days!!
I have one thing to say about it…..
!!!!!!!!!! THE SAW IS AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The power behind it is just AWESOME. It powers through everything I have thrown at it.
I have cut a number of materials with it over the last week from 12 mm OSB to 25 mm ply, from roofing batten to 4″ x 2″ on a 45 degree angle. The only time I have noticed the motor even give the slightest sign of slowing down was when I was cutting some wet 4″ x 2″ along the grain, but even then it cut well.
I have always had Dewalt saws, corded and cordless and I have never realised that I have been missing an LED light!! it is great and it is positioned really well. (I know this is not new on other brands of saws!)
The battery indicator, when pressed stays on for a few seconds after release and then fades out. I thought that this was a nice touch. Weight wise the battery is about 1/3 heavier than the 5 amp so it is noticeable but not so much so I would complain. ( I have not weighed them both so that is not an accurate comparison, just an estimate to how they feel in my hand).
It is comfortable to use, the blade being on the right as appose to blade on the left like on the trim saw is not a factor as there is excellent visibility from a well designed and positioned opening in the blade guard through to the cutting point.
I own a Dewalt DWE575K which has a lot of the same characteristics as the flexvolt saw and I am ALMOST seriously thinking of putting it in storage because the flexvolt saw is so good!!!
ALMOST !?!?
One down fall (its not massive though) is the run time 🙁 it feels a little like going back to the days when I was using the 18v Nano 2amp stem packs on a trim saw.
Because I use the DCS391 (pic above) a lot with 5 amp batteries, the run time on that is good.
It is hard to describe how it feels! It just does not feel like it runs for quite long enough. This might be the fact that I only have 2 flexvolt batteries at the moment as appose to the 20 I have that will go in the trim saw 22 if the flexvolt ones are included. And I don’t normally charge my batteries on site, so when they are dead they are DEAD until I get home. But I have had to charge a few on site to get me through the day.
I might feel different when I purchase a few more. I think having 4 might be enough for the days I am using it intensely.
But I do plan on getting the 12″ mitre saw in the new year when it is released, PLUS others.
So I can see 20 flexvolt batteries being bought over the next 12 months or more to cover the other tools I intend on getting if the conversation I had with my tool guy is anything to go off. Lots of things to come apparently!! With a few hints 😉
Thanks for the impressions. Seems to back up what I’ve read, which is that they are hungry for batteries thanks to extra rpm/power. The 3.0/9.0 will help.
That saw looks awesome, and that flex volt battery is a beast
Thanks for the awesome info @DooDar this is an awesome sounding tool!
hi
looks like you got the saw with “normal” saw shoe
I mean the base plate
the option to be compatible with track saw rails is great
actually a nust have !
you shoulddefinately upgrade that option !
cheers
Is that a Dewalt option? Haven’t seen that, but would be interested in using this with a track.
I really want a track saw but in north America it is not offered yet as far as I know. I haven’t even seen options to switch out the baseplate.
midogrumpy wrote:
5 hours ago, midogrumpy said:hi
looks like you got the saw with “normal” saw shoe
I mean the base plate
the option to be compatible with track saw rails is great
actually a nust have !
you shoulddefinately upgrade that option !
cheers
Yes I have seen the DCS576 with the track base.
The track base actually has 6mm less on the depth of cut than the normal base, 61mm as appose to 67mm.
Plus I am waiting for the flexvolt plunge saw to come out in Q1 of next year.
I am not really interested in using my DCS575 on a track.
Plunge Saw will be October this year DooDar, so you’ll be spending sooner than you think…
rossi7x wrote:
7 hours ago, rossi7x said:Plunge Saw will be October this year DooDar, so you’ll be spending sooner than you think…
Any news on a potential US release?
I am waiting on the plunge saw. My tracks are screaming for cordless. Until then, I’ll buy the table saw during the Black Friday/X-mas discount season.
The Flexvolt line looks to be very promising. It will be interesting to see how long Milwaukee hangs on to only producing tools for their M18 volt line. Eventually the 18/20 volt tools will meet a road block as higher volt motors are more efficient (in most cases).
I don’t think Milwaukee has any plans to deviate from M18. Especially with the 9.0. Dewalt is chasing power, Milwaukee is chasing run time while delivering a solution that’s a realistic corded replacement. FlexVolt is basically all about giving us the actual corded tool or better. I think FlexVolt will get work done quicker but need fresh batteries sooner.
12″ mitre vs 10″. More power, more capacity, but a bigger blade and more juice required. Hence Mikwaukee bragging about more cuts in base.
5800 rpm circular saw running on a 2.0 ah battery: I wouldn’t be surprised to see the 2731 win a runtime test.
9000 rpm 13 amp equivalent grinder screams power. Cordless grinder battery life sucks to begin with.
The table saw is 8.5″ because 10″ would likely have been a 120v Max tool.
The recip is basically a run of the mill brushless recip so not much to say there.
The joist drill is the wild card for me. Can’t wait to see it vs Hole Hawg and Super Hawg. Seems to have the advantages of
both without the size and weight of the Super.
Personally, I like the idea of FlexVolt, but mainly because I’m so new to Dewalt that it doesn’t bug me that it’s a new platform. If Milwaukee did it I’d be less enthused. With the 9.0 out I wouldn’t be surprised to see gen2 Fuel Sawzall, grinders, full size circ saw, etc.
If the Flexvolt was 60v at 9.0 amp hours instead of 2.0 in a package the size of the current flexvolt, would it be gameover for high demand m18 tools until an m54 comes out?
2448jman wrote:
5 hours ago, 2448jman said:If the Flexvolt was 60v at 9.0 amp hours instead of 2.0 in a package the size of the current flexvolt, would it be gameover for high demand m18 tools until an m54 comes out?
Might as well put it on a back pack it would be so big because I don’t see that happening with the tech available at this time
KnarlyCarl wrote:
13 minutes ago, KnarlyCarl said:Might as well put it on a back pack it would be so big because I don’t see that happening with the tech available at this time
It was a what if scenario and I said it was same size as current flexvolt battery. I suppose a super fast charger would need to be designed so it don’t take all day to charge or just design a battery that uses more advanced technology than lithium ion.
2448jman wrote:
3 hours ago, 2448jman said:
It was a what if scenario and I said it was same size as current flexvolt battery. I suppose a super fast charger would need to be designed so it don’t take all day to charge or just design a battery that uses more advanced technology than lithium ion.
The charge time is just one problem. The size required for a 9 AH 60v pack would be roughly 5x the size of the current battery. Next try to imagine how to get the heat out of all those cells under load. I’m pretty sure that sort of power is going to require a significant advance in density before it sees the light of day.
Realistically the M18 HD9.0 and the FlexVolt 3.0/9.0 are using same principle: more cells = more current draw = more work/power. They are wired differently but the watt hours are the same. The Dewalt pack is even bigger physically to achieve higher discharge rates. Thank god for rapid chargers.
2448jman wrote:
9 hours ago, 2448jman said:If the Flexvolt was 60v at 9.0 amp hours instead of 2.0 in a package the size of the current flexvolt, would it be gameover for high demand m18 tools until an m54 comes out?
Well in terms of stored energy one would have 162 watt hours while the other has 486 watt hours. It’s a hypothetical that is analogous to saying what if GM could put out a V8 Silverado with 1095 horsepower and 1260 lb/ft of torque at the same runtime, or same specs w triple the fuel economy; would F150 ecoboost be in trouble? Yes. Undoubtedly, but in both cases it’s physically impossible to achieve that while keeping the same form factor.
rossi7x wrote:
On 15/09/2016 at 6:17 PM, rossi7x said:Plunge Saw will be October this year DooDar, so you’ll be spending sooner than you think…
October is even better!!! I need the Plung saw more than the circ saw.
Is there any others coming in October rossi7x ?
DooDar wrote:
30 minutes ago, DooDar said:October is even better!!! I need the Plung saw more than the circ saw.
Is there any others coming in October rossi7x ?
In Europe yes
khariV wrote:
7 hours ago, khariV said:The charge time is just one problem. The size required for a 9 AH 60v pack would be roughly 5x the size of the current battery. Next try to imagine how to get the heat out of all those cells under load. I’m pretty sure that sort of power is going to require a significant advance in density before it sees the light of day.
I thought higher voltages heat up less quickly than lower voltages and a reason being they are more efficient?
2448jman wrote:
5 hours ago, 2448jman said:I thought higher voltages heat up less quickly than lower voltages and a reason being they are more efficient?
In the motor that can be the case depending on how it’s designed. In the battery each cell has the same load regardless of the total high current or high voltage configuration.
Kenneth Denmark wrote:
10 hours ago, Kenneth Denmark said:In Europe yes
You cant say that and not give a little more info??? What is coming out in October???? You say in Europe is that all Europe?
DooDar wrote:
On 18/9/2016 at 0:40 AM, DooDar said:You cant say that and not give a little more info??? What is coming out in October???? You say in Europe is that all Europe?
I know that in Denmark we will see dcs778 a 250mm mitersaw.. that is what I know
I want a 10″ 120v cordless/corded table saw, please…
wildroamer wrote:
20 minutes ago, wildroamer said:I want a 10″ 120v cordless/corded table saw, please…
I’m still puzzled what they were thinking with the 60v one in the first place.
wildroamer wrote:
24 minutes ago, wildroamer said:I want a 10″ 120v cordless/corded table saw, please…
I am hanging on and waiting to see if dewalt bring one out! That is the only reason I have not bought the 60v one!!
There has got to be more things to come on the 120 v side of the flexvolt system. It would be odd to only have the 12″ miter saw.
Hugh Jass wrote:
29 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:
I’m still puzzled what they were thinking with the 60v one in the first place.
If I was to guess I would think they were worried about price points on the new system, and overwhelming people with the need for a monstrous amount of batteries off the hop. I don’t really know though. The hybrid option adds a decent chunk to the cost from my understanding; maybe easier to sink that cost into an expensive mitre to start with. Just guesswork on my part of course.
Bremon wrote:
36 minutes ago, Bremon said:If I was to guess I would think they were worried about price points on the new system, and overwhelming people with the need for a monstrous amount of batteries off the hop. I don’t really know though. The hybrid option adds a decent chunk to the cost from my understanding; maybe easier to sink that cost into an expensive mitre to start with. Just guesswork on my part of course.
DCS778 also in Germany
larger cutting capacity
max. cutting specs
90/90 deg = 305×85 mm (270x60mm in comparision to DCS777)
90/45 deg = 305×58 mm
45/90 deg = 215×85 mm
45/45 = 215x 30 mm
sawblade is 250x 30
17,2 kg compared to 14kg of DCS777
cheers
mike
Bremon wrote:
3 hours ago, Bremon said:If I was to guess I would think they were worried about price points on the new system, and overwhelming people with the need for a monstrous amount of batteries off the hop. I don’t really know though. The hybrid option adds a decent chunk to the cost from my understanding; maybe easier to sink that cost into an expensive mitre to start with. Just guesswork on my part of course.
I think that might be the case but the cordless miter with just an adapter and no batteries is only $50 more than their normal top of the line miter saw. Definitely worth it for a cordless option down the line.
jeffmcmillan wrote:
1 minute ago, jeffmcmillan said:I think that might be the case but the cordless miter with just an adapter and no batteries is only $50 more than their normal top of the line miter saw. Definitely worth it for a cordless option down the line.
This is my thoughts as well. They’ve broken down that argument, it only makes sense.
And if you look for just the AC adapter, the price is….. $49
http://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-FLEXVOLT-120-Volt-AC-Adapter-DCA120/207164710
The adapter isn’t much more than a grounded cord that covers the mains from my understanding. The actual conversion is done in the machine and is probably more expensive than that.
Bremon wrote:
1 hour ago, Bremon said:The adapter isn’t much more than a grounded cord that covers the mains from my understanding. The actual conversion is done in the machine and is probably more expensive than that.
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Here’s the conversion done in the machine. It’s actually less complicated than it looks … only two components and under $10 for good ones at low quantity. Don’t even need a transformer since the battery is the same voltage as mains.
Don’t forget the filter Capacitors to smooth out the ripple. Nothing worse than pulsating DC. Unless that NO contact is supposed to be the Cap, then carry on!
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HiltiWpg wrote:
5 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:Don’t forget the filter Capacitors to smooth out the ripple. Nothing worse than pulsating DC. Unless that NO contact is supposed to be the Cap, then carry on!
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LOL They’re both different kinds of capacitors for us electrical engineers. Isn’t it nice when almost every squiggly line has some meaning.
jeffmcmillan wrote:
LOL They’re both different kinds of capacitors for us electrical engineers. Isn’t it nice when almost every squiggly line has some meaning.
Hahaha!
Indeed!
I’m just a lowly schmuck that they hire to wire it.
you would’ve totally got the normally open contact from me!
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