Milwaukee surge

Has anyone  else heard of this I guess it’s there new new oil impulse  driver

interesting, first I’ve heard, wouldn’t mind trying that out

My immediate thought was code red flavor of 

Interesting, news to me!

It’s on the home Depot  site but it says out of stock if you Google it it will come up I don’t know how to put the link up

Interesting. The 2760. 450 in lbs. 3000 rpm. 4000 ipm. 4 mode like the other gen 2 impacts. 

Yeah looks cool figures I just got the rigid stealth force guess I’ll have to get that one two!!! This tool thing is expensive  lol

Yes, it definitely can be haha

I can’t find it anywhere  else just the home  Depot  site

Too much info and specs on that page to believe it’s fake. If anything someone probably screwed up and put info up way too early. 

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

joemontague wrote:

1 hour ago, joemontague said:

It’s on the home Depot  site but it says out of stock if you Google it it will come up I don’t know how to put the link up

GREAT FIND! here’s a link… http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-SURGE-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Brushless-1-4-in-Hex-Hydraulic-Impact-Driver-Tool-Only-2760-20/300193508?keyword=Milwaukee+surge

last 4 pics are the original version only first 3 pics are surge…..

The other specs look normal for an impulse driver, but 4000 impacts per minute is really high for an impulse driver.  The Makita lists 2700, Ryobi lists 2200, and Ridgid doesn’t say so you know it’s bad

Stercorarius wrote:

5 hours ago, Stercorarius said:

My immediate thought was code red flavor of 

Lol same!!

I’m interested, guess it was a matter of time. Hopefully we’ll get more detail on it soon, that 4000 number doesn’t exactly make sense…. 

Bremon wrote:

3 hours ago, Bremon said:

Too much info and specs on that page to believe it’s fake. If anything someone probably screwed up and put info up way too early. 

It’s real, toolpig and toolaholic just confirmed they knew about it

Yeah I saw that you mentioned it to kiefer haha. Very excited!

Bremon wrote:

12 minutes ago, Bremon said:

Yeah I saw that you mentioned it to kiefer haha. Very excited!

I did? You must be mistaken….. I think he just saw my post and mentioned me when he put his up, same with toolpig.

If you have an Instagram account, @joemontague , I would credit you.

I told Keifer I did get that info here so he knows 

Ah yes, that’s it, he tagged you or whatever it’s called on IG lol. 

When is it going to be available ? 

I am just a lowly electrician, can someone please explain why the hell this is appealing? 450 in-lbs? Where would such low torque be a good thing?

I see the the DTD170z and that makes sense to me, but oil impulse reasoning eludes me…

Agree with @HiltiWpg. If I needed quiet I’d use my drill Driver same as I always use to. Best as I can tell this is halfway between a drill driver and an impact with the power of neither. Don’t like the noise? Wear some hearing protection. Other people don’t like it? They can deal with it. It’s not like it’s an air raid siren. I dunno maybe sheet metal guys would have a use, but I won’t ever be buying one.

Interesting Id love for impact drivers to become more quieter and yes I know you could use a drill driver but the functionality of an impact is great. 

I think it’s cool I’ll try it out 

StrippedScrew wrote:

1 hour ago, StrippedScrew said:

Interesting Id love for impact drivers to become more quieter and yes I know you could use a drill driver but the functionality of an impact is great. 

I’d wait until we get some real specs from Milwaukee and a press release/demo. It’s about the same power as a compact drill, but more compact. 

HiltiWpg wrote:

4 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:

I am just a lowly electrician, can someone please explain why the hell this is appealing? 450 in-lbs? Where would such low torque be a good thing?

 

I see the the DTD170z and that makes sense to me, but oil impulse reasoning eludes me…

Stercorarius wrote:

4 hours ago, Stercorarius said:

Agree with @HiltiWpg. If I needed quiet I’d use my drill Driver same as I always use to. Best as I can tell this is halfway between a drill driver and an impact with the power of neither. 

The torque is important for breaking away bolts. The impact energy is important for screws in wood or sheet metal and no one lists that. It’s a little bit higher for impulse drivers than impact drivers which is compensated for by fewer impacts per minute do the output power of an impact driver and impulse driver is in the same ballpark. If youre breaking bolts you really need an impact wrench, but for screws the impulse driver is about the same.

The overall torque is lower.

Torque is the measure of rotational power. Whether it’s lower IPM and higher Impact force or Higher with lower force, the torque is the output.

Regardless of what is happening inside, the ability to fasten or loosen is lower.

450 In-lbs is not anywhere near the same as 1400+ in-lbs. 

HiltiWpg wrote:

37 minutes ago, HiltiWpg said:

The overall torque is lower.

Torque is the measure of rotational power. Whether it’s lower IPM and higher Impact force or Higher with lower force, the torque is the output.

Regardless of what is happening inside, the ability to fasten or loosen is lower.

450 In-lbs is not anywhere near the same as 1400+ in-lbs. 

With impacr drivers / drill drivers i’d say you’re correct.

But there is something going on with these impulse drivers. Makita’s oil impulse drivers also only hjad low torque like the milwaukee surge but it still does pretty much everything my DTD148 does.

I cannot explain why but the Torque as it stands on impulse drivers cannot be compared to impact drivers. I know it sounds like bullcrap or something but untill you have tried it you cannot make up your mind about it 🙂

HiltiWpg wrote:

2 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:

 

Except at 450in-lbs, it’s not as functional.

It’s essentially turning an impact into a 1/4 drill driver, which already exists.

Most drivers are clutched giving them more control over torque than a 3 speed. 

 

Like me I said, I don’t get it. If acoustics are an issue, there are solutions that seem just as viable.

 

 

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The compactness of an impact is a plus though.

As a guy who has spent too much time running and repairing hydraulic based equipment I have a hard time trusting the build on these early model machines to have any sort of longevity. Im guessing that maybe they’ll last three years before the DOT 3 brake fluid they put in these leaks or destroys the internals.

I feel like it is just another way to sell more tools. It is not like there was a large outcry for it. 

jeffmcmillan wrote:

The other specs look normal for an impulse driver, but 4000 impacts per minute is really high for an impulse driver.  The Makita lists 2700, Ryobi lists 2200, and Ridgid doesn’t say so you know it’s bad

Stercorarius wrote:

15 hours ago, Stercorarius said:

As a guy who has spent too much time running and repairing hydraulic based equipment I have a hard time trusting the build on these early model machines to have any sort of longevity. Im guessing that maybe they’ll last three years before the DOT 3 brake fluid they put in these leaks or destroys the internals.

Makita’s first Oil impulse drivers I have been selling for 6 years now and never got a return on them 🙂   I’d like to say they’re as duarable as a normal impact.

Korno. You are wrong. Right there Milwaukee says…..

MILWAUKEE SURGE FEATURES

• Fluid-drive hydraulic power train
• Powerstate brushless motor “outperforms all leading competitors”
• 4-mode drive control
• Self-tapping screw mode for reduced walking and reduced overdriving
• 0-3,000 RPM
• 450 in-lbs max torque
• LED worklight

Clearly Milwaukee smokes Makita 😉

But does the motor outperform non-leading competitors too? Or is that in quotes because its the trademarked slogan for their motors?

Friggin marketing buzzwords. Next they’ll tell me its arsenic free.

http://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-m18-fuel-surge-oil-impact-driver/

jeffmcmillan wrote:

But does the motor outperform non-leading competitors too? Or is that in quotes because its the trademarked slogan for their motors?

Friggin marketing buzzwords. Next they’ll tell me its arsenic free.

HiltiWpg wrote:

Organic free range gluten free impact.


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kruton wrote:

I’m more of a vegan impact guy myself![emoji16] [emoji90]

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JimboS1ice wrote:

Meh I drink shots of gluten for breakfast!


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ChrisK wrote:

8 hours ago, ChrisK said:

Korno. You are wrong. Right there Milwaukee says…..

 

 

MILWAUKEE SURGE FEATURES

• Fluid-drive hydraulic power train
• Powerstate brushless motor “outperforms all leading competitors”
• 4-mode drive control
• Self-tapping screw mode for reduced walking and reduced overdriving
• 0-3,000 RPM
• 450 in-lbs max torque
• LED worklight

 

Clearly Milwaukee smokes Makita 😉

 Way to go, now I’ll never know who to trust lol

Trust me, I take this with a grain of salt

kruton wrote:

1 minute ago, kruton said:

And if you ain’t cooking with lard you are wasting your time baby!

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Mmmm good pie crust that way

So this makes me curious if there are other tools about to hit the market that weren’t announced at the symposium?

They usually have random things come out here and there throughout the year that aren’t highlighted at the symposium. The compact brushless drill/ hammer drill/ impact are examples of that. 

The symposiun is really about the flashy products they want to get media coverage from (and not bad press like the nailers) sds max, miter saw, one key. They want to make people switch to milwaukee and not away from it for the upcoming stuff. Notice a lot of the things they announce dont hit the market for months or years.

That’s a good point Jeff and I agree. It’s the stuff that other makes don’t really make, and halo products that get the most attention. Those nailers though, sheesh. You know it’s bad when tool reviewers who get them for free aren’t impressed. Dewalt has Milwaukee, Dwain and Hugh Jass to thank for me buying a Dewalt nailer.

Aaaannndd HD took it down lol… Looks like another woopsy website going live before it’s supposed to be

Stupid HD. I want DS130s and maybe a 450 lol. Somewhat interested in seeing performance of this unit as well.

KnarlyCarl wrote:

1 hour ago, KnarlyCarl said:

Aaaannndd HD took it down lol… Looks like another woopsy website going live before it’s supposed to be

Took HD that long to take it down wow!

This video is about the makita DTD141 oil impulse driver. The guy in the video mentions the low rating for torque and that its to do with how its measured and that a hydraulic motor is slightly different. I’m not exactly sure but its interesting