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Guys, Lowe’s just updated their endcap to include the new battery line!!!! /Sarcasm
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So it appears that officially Dewalt has 12v, 18v, 20v, 40v and 60v lines current. Guess we found the real reason the 18/20v adapter was released. Wonder if they’re going to make a 14v adapter 😆
BMack37 wrote:
3 minutes ago, BMack37 said:Guys, Lowe’s just updated their endcap to include the new battery line!!!! /Sarcasm
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So it appears that officially Dewalt has 12v, 18v, 20v, 40v and 60v lines current. Guess we found the real reason the 18/20v adapter was released. Wonder if they’re going to make a 14v adapter 😆
I looked up the sales on that tool, my store alone has sold 400units this year. anywhere from 69-129$ a piece, what the living hell? Name sells lol.
they’ve had an endcap of those since the dawn of man, and probably will after civilization ceases to exist
None of the Lowe’s here has had anything 18v in a long time, this is literally new product. Terrible way to treat customers IMO.
Mine by me they have a drill, impact, circ saw, sawzall and radio, basic tools
JimboS1ice wrote:
they’ve had an endcap of those since the dawn of man, and probably will after civilization ceases to exist
Lol!!! Yeah the have been at the Lowe’s around here, that and the 20v too…
Don’t forget about the other pesky platform they make, those plug in cord thingies ?
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They probably got rid of the Metabo to make more room for those!
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JimboS1ice wrote:
2 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:Mine by me they have a drill, impact, circ saw, sawzall and radio, basic tools
Wow, that’s terrible. Ours had nothing, then the adapters came in, then the batteries and now the drill. The display says something Flevolt so it has “NEW” right above it, also says “Made in the USA” huge on the poster. This seems rather shady to me, worse than the battery labeling thing that Milwaukee does on their 2-packs.
JimboS1ice wrote:
15 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:they’ve had an endcap of those since the dawn of man, and probably will after civilization ceases to exist
The cockroaches will evolve to use them as weapons in the Twinkie Wars after the nuclear end of humanity.
and yes, every big box hardware store around me still has these damn things. I can understand selling the batteries, but the tools are insulting when you can get better for the same dollar.
kruton wrote:
10 minutes ago, kruton said:They probably got rid of the Metabo to make more room for those!
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They got rid of metabo to push the coming hitachi brushless stuff at least thats what I’ve read on our corporate flyer.
So expect to see the new 6.0 batteries (With no fuel gauge :< ) and the new 1210 inch lb CLASS LEADER brushless hammer drill! Also the ip56 impact driver about june next year according to them competitively priced around 329 for the hammer/impact.
The price MUST be a typo though, I can’t post a picture of the flyer because of NDA and they’re pretty quick in finding that stuff.
But as an avvid hitachi user Im super stoked for that new brushless drill, not so much the impact though.
they don’t show what models but theres a mini circular saw a 5 3/8 metal saw a 6 1/2 saw
the new oscillating tool, brushless grinder and uh some super long cordless screw driver thing i dunno what its called. looks like a screw gun with a 4 foot pole at the end. Oh Oh! i forgot to add, there are whispers around OPE that lowes might be carrying TANAKA and might be having SCAG Turf Tigers on display! Who the hell would buy a 15K usd lawn mower who the hell knows, oh yeah… my father.
Hitachi makes really good tools but man, they are ugly!
They really should carry Metabo in store, I don’t know why Hitachi doesn’t push both brands.
Bremon wrote:
6 minutes ago, Bremon said:The cockroaches will evolve to use them as weapons in the Twinkie Wars after the nuclear end of humanity.
and yes, every big box hardware store around me still has these damn things. I can understand selling the batteries, but the tools are insulting when you can get better for the same dollar.
haven’t you seen zombie land?
” Believe it or not, Twinkies have an expiration date. Some day very soon, Life’s little Twinkie gauge is gonna go… empty. ”
-Tallahassee (Woody harrelson)
BMack37 wrote:
8 minutes ago, BMack37 said:Hitachi makes really good tools but man, they are ugly!
They really should carry Metabo in store, I don’t know why Hitachi doesn’t push both brands.
I dunno, i really don’t but they now own the patents to the usage of 20700 cells in battery packs…
There might be another battery lawsuit lol… and hitachi is a very very big conglomerate with a whole lot of weight to throw around.
holy crap i should lay off the coffee.
ALSO DONT TALK ABOUT THE MEAN GREEN!
pancing wrote:
2 minutes ago, pancing said:I dunno, i really don’t but they now own the patents to the usage of 20700 cells in battery packs…
There might be another battery lawsuit lol… and hitachi is a very very big conglomerate with a whole lot of weight to throw around.
holy crap i should lay off the coffee.
ALSO DONT TALK ABOUT THE MEAN GREEN!
Its incredible the things you can patent these days. I wonder if thats holding up the other 6.0 packs.
…that’s pretty disgusting. Although SBD has patents on yellow tools, the D shaped vent on their drills, and all sorts of bullshit so this really shouldn’t surprise anyone. It’s like patenting the use of diesel as a fuel. “not a problem; you plebs can buy gasoline instead” lol.
jeffmcmillan wrote:
14 minutes ago, jeffmcmillan said:Its incredible the things you can patent these days. I wonder if thats holding up the other 6.0 packs.
Doesn’t seem like it, Makita has advertised their 6.0 packs coming out with a 55 minute charge time, think i saw it on Twitter or some other social media
Which other brand should we bag on for their business practices? Kobalt, stupid Kobalt and their constantly rotating lineup that will never standardize and gives you no confidence in long-term support. Ryobi, stupid name! Who else?
BMack37 wrote:
4 minutes ago, BMack37 said:Which other brand should we bag on for their business practices? Kobalt, stupid Kobalt and their constantly rotating lineup that will never standardize and gives you no confidence in long-term support. Ryobi, stupid name! Who else?
bosch for being slower than a slug! Metabo for selling out to a bigger name for three times their worth!
oh also the main reason why kobalt (chervon) went 24v is because they also got hit with milwaukee’s patent for 5 cell 18650 in a power tool battery pack. At least thats the speculation for lowe’s brand. I guess we could rag on um hell i dunno what have we left out? On yeah FEIN for losing the spelling bee
BMack37 wrote:
19 minutes ago, BMack37 said:Which other brand should we bag on for their business practices? Kobalt, stupid Kobalt and their constantly rotating lineup that will never standardize and gives you no confidence in long-term support. Ryobi, stupid name! Who else?
Makita for their radio silence. And making bicycles and coffee makers instead of batteries that don’t suck.
Milwaukee for being so mediocre they had to get sold a couple times before someone would funnel any dollars into them. But oh wait, those aren’t dollars! They’re yuan! Truly Milwaukee is the bottom of the barrel. Red for a reason.
Ryobi for sticking with stem packs this long. How dare they provide long term value to homeowners. They should rotate battery platforms half a dozen times like our new black-and-yellow overlords to make R&D money to funnel into internal switches for batteries and patents. Ryobi: Green because they’re envious of all the money everyone else makes.
Ridgid because they have no warranty. Instead they give you a lifetime service agreement, which is TTI code for circus employment, because that’s how many hoops you’ll need to jump through to use it.
Kobalt: recycle bin blue tools…they’re discretely trying to convince you they aren’t trash, but belong in a parts pile.
Might as well throw in every “12 volt” system that lies about its voltage.
We can swing back to Dewalt: 20v that loses 2 volts if you look at it the wrong way; or, you know, pull a trigger. 60 volt that loses 6 volts for the same reason. Oh. And going to great lengths to convince you they are the only ones who make something outside of China. 4 things actually. Even my corded sawzall at work is USA with foreign parts. It’s easy to sell USA assembled when the product hasn’t changed in 30 years and probably takes 20 minutes on the line to pop together.
Bosch because they’re apparently in a staring contest with Makita over who can communicate less with customers. They also win the most hideous color combo award. That won’t sell tools; people need flashy colors like red, cool shit like lightning bolts, and free tool giveaways. They’re all making fat stacks off slave labor anyway, share the wealth in the form of more product for consumers.
Festool…nuclear green and grey. This overpriced junk looks like it got built in the storage tote section at Walmart. Except Festools storage totes are flimsier and more expensive.
I don’t know that I have any more cracks to make. I also make no guarantees that what you’ve just wasted your time reading isn’t 100% nonsense. Might only be 90% though.
Don’t let ChrisK see that Festool comment Bremmon
DR99 wrote:
Don’t let ChrisK see that Festool comment Bremmon
Yeah, might be an instant ban from the forum![emoji6]
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That was an amusing post, Bremon – should have been a separate thread. Had my laugh of the day right there!
Bremon wrote:
Makita for their radio silence. And making bicycles and coffee makers instead of batteries that don’t suck.
Milwaukee for being so mediocre they had to get sold a couple times before someone would funnel any dollars into them. But oh wait, those aren’t dollars! They’re yuan! Truly Milwaukee is the bottom of the barrel. Red for a reason.
Ryobi for sticking with stem packs this long. How dare they provide long term value to homeowners. They should rotate battery platforms half a dozen times like our new black-and-yellow overlords to make R&D money to funnel into internal switches for batteries and patents. Ryobi: Green because they’re envious of all the money everyone else makes.
Ridgid because they have no warranty. Instead they give you a lifetime service agreement, which is TTI code for circus employment, because that’s how many hoops you’ll need to jump through to use it.
Kobalt: recycle bin blue tools…they’re discretely trying to convince you they aren’t trash, but belong in a parts pile.
Might as well throw in every “12 volt” system that lies about its voltage.
We can swing back to Dewalt: 20v that loses 2 volts if you look at it the wrong way; or, you know, pull a trigger. 60 volt that loses 6 volts for the same reason. Oh. And going to great lengths to convince you they are the only ones who make something outside of China. 4 things actually. Even my corded sawzall at work is USA with foreign parts. It’s easy to sell USA assembled when the product hasn’t changed in 30 years and probably takes 20 minutes on the line to pop together.
Bosch because they’re apparently in a staring contest with Makita over who can communicate less with customers. They also win the most hideous color combo award. That won’t sell tools; people need flashy colors like red, cool shit like lightning bolts, and free tool giveaways. They’re all making fat stacks off slave labor anyway, share the wealth in the form of more product for consumers.
Festool…nuclear green and grey. This overpriced junk looks like it got built in the storage tote section at Walmart. Except Festools storage totes are flimsier and more expensive.
I don’t know that I have any more cracks to make. I also make no guarantees that what you’ve just wasted your time reading isn’t 100% nonsense. Might only be 90% though.
Epic rant right here bud I love it!!
On the Dewalt stuff being “made in the USA” on a couple of my videos it’s been going wild calling Milwaukee Chinese junk and how Dewalt is us made yada yada yada, they don’t understand that them Dewalt drills are just as Chinese as the Milwaukee except Jeff smith is putting it together instead wang li, pretty amusing
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The difference basically comes down to what stock exchange they are traded on. Some people are just blind to that. When I first got interested in power tools I read a lot of “Makita manufactures in USA and Japan!”, “Dewalt manufactures in USA!” I’ve used a fairly wide variety of Makita and haven’t personally seen a single one that doesn’t say made in China. As for Dewalt, the only thing USA made that I’ve seen that’s worth a damn are the premium drills. The other USA assembled drills are garbage comparatively. Why make it in a first world country if it’s not worth owning? The top-tier stuff should be assembled in USA: one key drills should have a little sticker on them like Dewalt considering the price tag on them. At least the USA sawzalls at work fairly affordable and are of reasonable quality, and still have a good warranty to stand behind. It’s just buzzwords and hot takes all around that uninformed people grab onto. I’m all for “jeff smith” assembling stuff, at least someone earning a living wage that way. The problem is Jeff assembling entry level crap I don’t want to own in the first place lol.
Bremon wrote:
The difference basically comes down to what stock exchange they are traded on. Some people are just blind to that. When I first got interested in power tools I read a lot of “Makita manufactures in USA and Japan!”, “Dewalt manufactures in USA!” I’ve used a fairly wide variety of Makita and haven’t personally seen a single one that doesn’t say made in China. As for Dewalt, the only thing USA made that I’ve seen that’s worth a damn are the premium drills. The other USA assembled drills are garbage comparatively. Why make it in a first world country if it’s not worth owning? The top-tier stuff should be assembled in USA: one key drills should have a little sticker on them like Dewalt considering the price tag on them. At least the USA sawzalls at work fairly affordable and are of reasonable quality, and still have a good warranty to stand behind. It’s just buzzwords and hot takes all around that uninformed people grab onto. I’m all for “jeff smith” assembling stuff, at least someone earning a living wage that way. The problem is Jeff assembling entry level crap I don’t want to own in the first place lol.
Poor Jeff! Lol you are right about that, it is a marketing scheme and people fall for it not knowing the whole story behind it, thus labeling Milwaukee junk because it’s Chinese but you have to look at the overall composition of the merchandise. Makitas higher end stuff is non-Chinese like the Godzilla impacts, that’s what I coined them lol are made in Japan and that bad ass barrel grip jig saw is make in UK
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Where does where the tool is made have to do with the quality of the tool anyway?
Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote:
Where does where the tool is made have to do with the quality of the tool anyway?
There is a large group of people not particularly here but on other forums that despise non-us made tools, just because it’s Chinese doesn’t mean it’s automatically junk because the build still must meet coming standards
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Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote:
38 minutes ago, Weird Tolkienish Figure said:Where does where the tool is made have to do with the quality of the tool anyway?
Little, if anything, judging by basically every piece of modern electronics I use. I can understand concerns about labor conditions etc., but to label everything produced in China as “junk” pisses me off. This forum is much more open minded than others regarding country of origin.
Bremon wrote:
Little, if anything, judging by basically every piece of modern electronics I use. I can understand concerns about labor conditions etc., but to label everything produced in China as “junk” pisses me off. This forum is much more open minded than others regarding country of origin.
Garage journal you will get chastised for Chinese tools in your box lol
Jimbo
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Bremon wrote:
13 minutes ago, Bremon said:Little, if anything, judging by basically every piece of modern electronics I use. I can understand concerns about labor conditions etc., but to label everything produced in China as “junk” pisses me off. This forum is much more open minded than others regarding country of origin.
if it wasn’t for china we would be sending smoke signals still instead of the internet….
I don’t know if this holds true for the tool manufacturing industry but I know a couple Engineers that get sent to China with their work. It is a large manufacturing company that will remain unnamed but they said the problem they run into is not so much the quality of the workmanship but more material related issues. They said if there is a defect in a roll of material the manufacturing plant will still use that bad material because they don’t waste any material regardless if it is good or bad. They said they never ran into an issue really with the process and the workmanship just more materials related. I’m curious if that is the same or similar for Tool manufacturers and why some people think tools from China aren’t as high as quality. I think sometimes one or two lesser quality tools and people have an Associated stigma with Chinese manufactured tools
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That could well be Kruton, but that happens anywhere and everywhere. Things like that go a ways towards explaining the different experiences people have with brands. Look at the difference between my experience with Fuel tools and wild’s One Key fiasco. Neither of us is wrong, but tools are made by people, and people make mistakes (regardless of where they’re born or live).
I’ve never heard anyone bitch about Chinese made goods in person. In fact, I rarely see it on the internet either unless you read about tools. Hand tools especially…ratchets, sockets, wrenches most of all. So many people think truck brands are exponentially better wrenches, when in reality, they are moderately better wrenches with a financing plan and, depending on your driver, great service and warranty experience.
Bremon wrote:
That could well be Kruton, but that happens anywhere and everywhere. Things like that go a ways towards explaining the different experiences people have with brands. Look at the difference between my experience with Fuel tools and wild’s One Key fiasco. Neither of us is wrong, but tools are made by people, and people make mistakes (regardless of where they’re born or live).
I’ve never heard anyone bitch about Chinese made goods in person. In fact, I rarely see it on the internet either unless you read about tools. Hand tools especially…ratchets, sockets, wrenches most of all. So many people think truck brands are exponentially better wrenches, when in reality, they are moderately better wrenches with a financing plan and, depending on your driver, great service and warranty experience.
No I would agree. I have had trouble with both Chinese and non-chinese tools. It just happens sometimes and I think it is inevitable with the quantity of products that are being produced regardless where it is from. I have heard of it a little with musical instruments particularly guitars and electric basses. In that case I honestly don’t think it is where it is made but the specs the company gives the Chinese manufacturers to build from. People then just assume it is because it is made in China it is lesser quality when in fact what is being specified is lesser
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From my perspective, what makes me upset about offshoring is when there is no reduction in price to match. As an example, I’ve played drums and been an enthusiast of them for around 15 years now. 15 years ago all the pro lines (The Fuel/XR type stuff lol) were made in Japan, Germany, USA. The entry and mid level stuff was China, Taiwan. Now a lot of the pro stuff is China as well, and still costs thousands and thousands. Hardware, ie, stands, pedals, etc., like wrenches, ratchets, and sockets, are basically all Taiwan now. Yet you can still easily spend $500+ on a pro caliber double pedal made in a country where people aren’t paid what they deserve, which makes you ask yourself what it is *you* as a consumer are paying for.
Quality wise, I see no difference, it’s just a matter of where the money is going, which generally seems to be fewer and fewer pockets now.
Bremon wrote:
From my perspective, what makes me upset about offshoring is when there is no reduction in price to match. As an example, I’ve played drums and been an enthusiast of them for around 15 years now. 15 years ago all the pro lines (The Fuel/XR type stuff lol) were made in Japan, Germany, USA. The entry and mid level stuff was China, Taiwan. Now a lot of the pro stuff is China as well, and still costs thousands and thousands. Hardware, ie, stands, pedals, etc., like wrenches, ratchets, and sockets, are basically all Taiwan now. Yet you can still easily spend $500+ on a pro caliber double pedal made in a country where people aren’t paid what they deserve, which makes you ask yourself what it is *you* as a consumer are paying for.
Quality wise, I see no difference, it’s just a matter of where the money is going, which generally seems to be fewer and fewer pockets now.
A fellow musician…I knew I liked you. My personal experience with instruments has been somewhat Limited. I have played bass for about 25 years and in 94 I believe it was I got my first German made Warwick and have been playing them ever since. I have tried some of their cheaper rock bass line that is made somewhere other than Germany, China I believe and it is a much inferior instrument but I don’t think that is because it is from China I think that is because Warwick just specced the cheaper base
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Tbh if the tool does you right and its priced reasonably who cares where its made. The problem i have with chinese manufacturing is that they dont show what city its manufactured in. Its always assumed guang dong and shenzen but there are several other manufacturing districts in china but the 2 mentioned are where you want things made. The only way to tell is the stamp outside of the shipping box that ships to the retailer it shows city province and warehouse. But honestly i would rather pay people in the states to make my stuff.
As would I but it would be nice if people could acknowledge it would be for ethical reasons rather than a superiority complex about quality.