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Spoke with a rep today at the Flexvolt demo. We were discussing the future products for the 60/120 lines… A few items that came up below. What else do you want to see?
– 120v dust extraction vac
– 60v sds+ Drill
– 60v sds max drill
– concrete saw (wet dry) voltage unknown
– backpack vacuum voltage unknown
– 60v blower
– 60v trimmer
– 60v chain saw
– air compressor voltage unknown
– track saw
– chop saw
What I’d like to see (not saying they’re all feasible…):
– 55 gallon drum pump
– metal pickup tool (electro-magnet on wheels)
– router / router table setup?
– mag drill
– mounted bandsaw/bandsaw with stand
– 120v table saw 10″
– 60v cord attachment (with transformer)
– job box temp lighting- vaults or toolboxes, string lights?
– box fan (60V)
– drum fan (120V)
– portable A/C unit on wheels?
– dehumidifier on wheels?
– stand-up vacuum
– buffer
– belt sander (60v)
– mower!
– jump starter for cars/bobcats
– tile saw
– vacuum pump for refrigeration systems
– power washer
Was a model number given for the 120v extractor? or and ETA????
No model numbers, ETAs were sketchy. Sounded like he was either not “in the loop” 100% or things are still fluid. Several comments implying EU only to start, or US only to start, but not sure which products were in which camp.
If even half of your two lists come out over here in the UK I am going to have no money and my other half will kill me!! I am already putting money away for September when the circ saw and table saw come out!!! Then the 12″ 120v mitre saw in February. And defiantly the 120v extractor from your list when it comes out if it is a class M!!
My company does alot of hospital renovations… if the Vac has HEPA filters we will be in heaven. I just hope that somehow the concrete saw ends up having a noise reduction as dramatic as the table saw. They had the small 581 vacs hooked up to the table saw and miter saw today and you could hardly hear the table saw over the vacuum. Far cry from my 10+ year old Delta at home… that thing sounds like jumbo jet taking off. Almost have to open the garage door to even use it! I pre-ordered the circ saw from Acme (or CPO.. can’t remember which) when their 15% off was valid. After a hands on today i can’t wait!
I did ask about a bigger breaker (like a 60 lb) and he didn’t know anything about one. Probably a pipe dream, but one can hope!
I need me some 60v sds max.
As a plumber I would like to see a 2″ or 3″ power pvc shears.
2″ power copper cutters.
Heated coveralls? With arms & legs areas heated.
More summer work wear.
Tamika Lewis wrote:
16 minutes ago, Tamika Lewis said:As a plumber I would like to see a 2″ or 3″ power pvc shears.
2″ power copper cutters.
Heated coveralls? With arms & legs areas heated.
More summer work wear.
Milwaukee M12 PVC shears cut up,to 2″, awesome tool.
2″ copper cutters would be really cool to see.
and welcome to the forum Tamika!
No shortage of blowers and trimmers from Dewalt apparently. Pick your flavour with any of their many voltages. You’d think they’d spread the love to markets that weren’t so heavily congested already.
Or they can brag about having a bigger line up with extremely low design costs by taking the 18v motor and changing it to 54v plus some minor updates…. I did ask the rep about the lack of 40v compatibility, but he stayed with the same line of “different purposes, different focuses” and how landscapers need more run time, not more force. Makes sense, but I’d be pissed if I had bought in already.
I complained about having bought a corded joist drill recently and he said to return it- that they have a 90 day return policy required for resalers. Seemed like poor customer etiquette to me.
Lol yeah, take the Makita route. Ignore your battery issues while you brag about having the most tools off of a dozen versions of the same drill.
“Different purposes, different focuses” is such a cop-out. Could have went the x2 route instead of 40V Max bs, and x2 60V Max for 6.0 amp hours. I don’t get behind that at all. As if landscapers using Dewalt don’t have vehicles to work on, and homes to upkeep, etc.
Instead of giving them a reason to stick with Dewalt they give them an excuse to check out Ego, Echo, cordless Stihl, and the huge pile of other options out there. Shortsightedness from SBD on that one.
If you ever actually compare the differences between everything and a 40v battery you’d get an idea about just how different the focus is. The batteries are MASSIVE in comparison. Just as your rep states, runtime and rapid discharge are the name of the game for that system.
It had a reason to be manufactured, and that reason still stands. It shouldn’t be backwards compatible, and it won’t be phased out anytime soon. It’s stand alone.
And yet still lower voltage and potentially lower AH than the competitors they’re chasing. Close enough that you have people like me questioning their purpose. I’ve read various reviews, including some that prefer the x2 Makita string trimmer to the 40v Max, and those batteries have far more utility. Why 40V and not 60? The competition has high voltage and still has 7.5 AH, and far more with backpacks.
Bremon wrote:
28 minutes ago, Bremon said:And yet still lower voltage and potentially lower AH than the competitors they’re chasing. Close enough that you have people like me questioning their purpose. I’ve read various reviews, including some that prefer the x2 Makita string trimmer to the 40v Max, and those batteries have far more utility. Why 40V and not 60? The competition has high voltage and still has 7.5 AH, and far more with backpacks.
You’re not understanding the fundamental difference. The architecture for the 40v line is completely different. They ignore size. They ignore weight. They ignore peak power delivery. They focus on commercial use, runtime, and rapid discharge for thousands of cycles of yard and lawn equipment specifically due to reduced demand from the tool it’s self. Allows for the use of lower torque motors that focus more on RPM’s and volume. Voltage isn’t everything if you can extend runtime dramatically and still create an effective tool that draws less power.
A single 7.5ah 40v battery pack costs like $300. There’s a reason. You can’t compare an ambulance to a fire truck because both are red.
Lol, do they use lithium ion cells, connected in sets of series and parralel? Let’s not pretend we are comparing boats to planes here. Can I compare the Chevy ambulance to the Ford ambulance? Or maybe a Kenworth to a Pete to a Mack? That’s what I’m doing when I compare Dewalt’s 40v Max to the likes of Stihl, Husqvarna, Echo, Ego, and among them Dewalt isn’t in some special class where they, and they alone, are marketed towards pro landscapers. They’re also the lowest voltage of all of those brands. I’m not seeing Dewalt mentioned in a league of it’s own with regards to run time. I think the 40V Max seems like a solid platform that has a lot of potential, but that full potential seems like it will come closer to being realized when their first kick at the can gets a revision. The batteries are also expensive because of economies of scale, if they aren’t selling as much, they don’t go as cheap because the R&D cost behind those “fundamental differences” isn’t subsidized across as many sales. That takes us full circle to SBD relying on positive brand experience and loyalty with Team Yellow to get them into 40v Max vs the myriad other options available at similar price points that are known for OPE rather that quality drills and miter saws.
I think you’re both right.. In a way. It sucks that they come out with 40v and then 60v… But I do they’re different focuses. After handling 60v batteries and 40v side by side there’s no way I’d buy 40v. On the other hand if I owned a landscaping company and had my guys constantly charging 60v batteries… I’d lose money!
Bottom line though is these have their place… Whether they turn out successful is up to industry adoption. Personally I think the “cord replacement” and “gas replacement” lines are partially marketing BS. Who is really going to reach for a battery powered tool when chopping up a 60′ tree 2′ in diameter or production lines?
All the lines are “commercial” and they all have competitors with pros and cons. Personally I’m really glad I don’t have to use a SDS Max drill with a 5lb 40v battery, and don’t have to pony up for a Hilti!
Back to the real question here… Any other innovative ideas? 3D printer? Beer cooler? Microwave? Sump pump? Drain snake? Negative air machine? Upright vacuum? Walk behind floor sander? There’s got to be 100 applications for a higher torque motor or longer run time (20v high AH) I can’t be the only one thinking about this…
I know they’re claiming the 40V line will see continued development, but they did the same for their 12V line. The fact that they put a chainsaw and string trimmer on the 60V line already is proof enough of that. Don’t get me wrong the 40V line would have a place but they won’t see it as worth developing alongside a 60V line.
As far as those 60V tools you want
dilloncorr wrote:
On 7/20/2016 at 3:56 PM, dilloncorr said:Spoke with a rep today at the Flexvolt demo. We were discussing the future products for the 60/120 lines… A few items that came up below. What else do you want to see?
– 120v dust extraction vac
– 60v sds+ Drill
– 60v sds max drill
– concrete saw (wet dry) voltage unknown
– backpack vacuum voltage unknown
– 60v blower
– 60v trimmer
– 60v chain saw
– air compressor voltage unknown
– track saw
– chop saw
As far as those 60V tools, they already showed the string trimmer, chainsaw, sds drill, and track saw at some events, and I believe some are available internationally. I can’t imagine anyone making a cordless compressor because almost all individual tools have a cordless variant and pneumatics are incredibly inefficient.
dilloncorr wrote:
1 hour ago, dilloncorr said:I think you’re both right.. In a way. It sucks that they come out with 40v and then 60v… But I do they’re different focuses. After handling 60v batteries and 40v side by side there’s no way I’d buy 40v. On the other hand if I owned a landscaping company and had my guys constantly charging 60v batteries… I’d lose money!
Bottom line though is these have their place… Whether they turn out successful is up to industry adoption. Personally I think the “cord replacement” and “gas replacement” lines are partially marketing BS. Who is really going to reach for a battery powered tool when chopping up a 60′ tree 2′ in diameter or production lines?
All the lines are “commercial” and they all have competitors with pros and cons. Personally I’m really glad I don’t have to use a SDS Max drill with a 5lb 40v battery, and don’t have to pony up for a Hilti!
Back to the real question here… Any other innovative ideas? 3D printer? Beer cooler? Microwave? Sump pump? Drain snake? Negative air machine? Upright vacuum? Walk behind floor sander? There’s got to be 100 applications for a higher torque motor or longer run time (20v high AH) I can’t be the only one thinking about this…
I still think a cordless compressor would be cool, but its like you mentioned with the cordless nail guns its less of an issue now. When I refinished hardwood floors in my house I had to watch what circuit I used because the motor had so much starting draw it would pop a breaker. People say why have a cordless miter or table saw. If your not in a high production environment its nice being able to use the tool right away without the hassle or running a cord somewhere. You have to remember you have different markets this is great for certain people if your a production framer its not as useful in your situation
Maybe the cordless compressor could be like the ryobi ones
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KnarlyCarl wrote:
46 minutes ago, KnarlyCarl said:Maybe the cordless compressor could be like the ryobi ones
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I could see a small cordless compressor being available, similar in size to the 1 gallon HDX. I wouldn’t expect it to run air tools. but it would probably work nice to run an airbrush, making it very portable.
As for other stuff, there are some things they are looking into via the DeWALT Insights program that nobody has mentioned. To participate requires acceptance of a non-disclosure agreement, but you do get to offer input on tools while they are being developed or priced.
60-120v 5gal paint sprayer please.
MikeyB wrote:
On 20/07/2016 at 6:00 PM, MikeyB said:Milwaukee M12 PVC shears cut up,to 2″, awesome tool.
2″ copper cutters would be really cool to see.
and welcome to the forum Tamika!
Thanks, Long time lurker, finally bite the bullet & made a account. One of my coworkers has one, & she let me use it for a day. It’s definitely one of the best m12 tools but I would like to see an 20volt version for dewalt, that has an bigger capacity for rough ins and maybe a light built in for dark cabinets & a guard just in case the pipe shatters while cutting. My company actually just banned the m12 shears because there isn’t a guard, & a couple of people have had pipe shatter into their face.
Very interesting comments Tamika. I have no experience with that tool so can’t offer an opinion but I could definitely see Dewalt improving on that design, and with their “perform and protect” mantra incorporating more osha-oriented features into it for sure.
I wonder if @KnarlyCarl has any experience with that occurring.
I’ve seen it happen to a good friend of mine that has one who’s been a plumber for 30 years. He mentioned that two things were at play, the blade was original and had never been sharpened and the piece that broke was older pipe that had some UV exposure and wasn’t sure if that had anything to do with it, but when it let go…holy crap. Looked less like a M12 was involved and more like a M80. He took a piece to the hand but not quite enough to draw blood, but if it struck an eye it could have been bad news. Since then every time I see him use it he turns his face away from the cut and holds it at arm’s length. I don’t blame him.
The tool is really good but you have to be mindful of keeping the blade sharp and don’t reuse old pipe that has been exposed to solar radiation for long periods of time.
Yeah PVC is no joke when it goes. Never, ever, EVER run compressed air in PVC.
I live & work in Alberta ,Canada where we have cold mornings regardless of the season. Our pipe is almost always outside or in cold parkades. I heard if you try to cut pipes that are too cold, it increases the chance of it shattering.
Air compressor sounds pretty cool
I’m in Edmonton, I can attest to how fun it is to work in the cold lol.
So are they replacing the 40v OPE then?
As per Dewalt reps: no.
As per historic trends from Dewalt: maybe.
I think introducing FlexVolt OPE really did them no favors. Makes people question why they would have 3 lines of outdoor gear.
Thought of a good tool to have on this platform. A brushless high torque collated floor screwer. We have a Senco AC model and love it. We screw all our subfloors down and can use it for tile underlayment too. Being able to be cordless would make things so much nicer on a new construction site.
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overanalyze wrote:
2 hours ago, overanalyze said:Thought of a good tool to have on this platform. A brushless high torque collated floor screwer. We have a Senco AC model and love it. We screw all our subfloors down and can use it for tile underlayment too. Being able to be cordless would make things so much nicer on a new construction site.
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So you are looking for something like their 20V Drywall gun (DCF620) with an extended nose so you can stay standing and drive screws?
Grumpy MSG wrote:
So you are looking for something like their 20V Drywall gun (DCF620) with an extended nose so you can stay standing and drive screws?
Somewhat. It would need more torque and probably need to run at a slower speed. When we frame our homes and additions we screw down the subfloor vs nailing. Not tripping over a cord doing this would be nice. We have a couple Senco duraspin models.
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Tamika Lewis wrote:
Thanks, Long time lurker, finally bite the bullet & made a account. One of my coworkers has one, & she let me use it for a day. It’s definitely one of the best m12 tools but I would like to see an 20volt version for dewalt, that has an bigger capacity for rough ins and maybe a light built in for dark cabinets & a guard just in case the pipe shatters while cutting. My company actually just banned the m12 shears because there isn’t a guard, & a couple of people have had pipe shatter into their face.
Hey there, yes you are correct. The m12 shears doesn’t have any type of guard and can shatter PVC that has become brittle over time especially on a condensing furnace vent. To prevent that, I rock the cutter back and forth as it starts cutting, but even that doesn’t guarantee a shatter free cut
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Stercorarius wrote:
I wonder if @KnarlyCarl has any experience with that occurring.
Yeah just now reading this. PVC that is brittle like from uv exposure will shatter. Cellular core PVC is much easier to cut and I have never had it shatter. Abs is the same way, pretty soft compared to solid PVC pipe
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overanalyze wrote:
47 minutes ago, overanalyze said:Somewhat. It would need more torque and probably need to run at a slower speed. When we frame our homes and additions we screw down the subfloor vs nailing. Not tripping over a cord doing this would be nice. We have a couple Senco duraspin models.
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I think NER used the Makita drywall gun for subfloors. The dewalt probably has the torque for it too if it had a longer selffeed attachment.
when is the track compatible circular saw coming out? Is it coming to north america? I seen it in a video of europs flex volt but not for any for north america
It’s up to Dewalt if they are going to bring the track saw over. Dewalt hasn’t had the best of luck marketing tracksaws
DR99 wrote:
On August 15, 2016 at 0:00 AM, DR99 said:It’s up to Dewalt if they are going to bring the track saw over. Dewalt hasn’t had the best of luck marketing tracksaws
There isn’t much competition stateside for track saws but they don’t seem to be as popular over here
JimboS1ice wrote:
6 hours ago, JimboS1ice said:
There isn’t much competition stateside for track saws but they don’t seem to be as popular over here
My impression on tracksaws is that most folks go with Festool. They were pretty much the first and I think it is the entry drug for many folks with a Festool addiction. I have absolutely no facts or statistics to back up my opinion, but I will offer it just the same…
Americans seem to be a big fan of table saws over tracksaws.
The other thing you never see here are alligator saws.
Breaking down sheet goods with a crew or even a helper is fine on a table saw, but doing it solo is not very fun on thicker sheets. Nothing worse than ripping 3/4″ ply solo on a mobile table saw with no outfeed table.
Using track saws on sheet good isn’t as comfortable unless the sheet is elevated meaning there’s more setup materials, saw horses and a platform to catch or support both sides of the cut.
Productivity vs Comfort vs Simplicity. The answer to which is better is different depending on help, materials, do you have a shop or mobile operation, do you have time to setup and breakdown, etc…
The answer? Have and use both appropriately regardless of your setup.
jeffmcmillan wrote:
1 hour ago, jeffmcmillan said:Americans seem to be a big fan of table saws over tracksaws.
The other thing you never see here are alligator saws.
Very true, and until very recently, never heard of them either(the alligator saw) … Only while watching a periscope of Australia Dewalt event did I actually see it and realize what it was
KnarlyCarl wrote:
22 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:Very true, and until very recently, never heard of them either(the alligator saw) … Only while watching a periscope of Australia Dewalt event did I actually see it and realize what it was
Well for that logically it doesn’t make a ton of sense here. The primary use for that is cutting clay blocks, and even though it has many other uses, it’s benefits over a standard chainsaw are kind of limited. Better for this or that, but worse for many other things and reasons.
Interesting, had no idea. Thanks Hugh.
Hugh Jass wrote:
1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:
Well for that logically it doesn’t make a ton of sense here. The primary use for that is cutting clay blocks, and even though it has many other uses, it’s benefits over a standard chainsaw are kind of limited. Better for this or that, but worse for many other things and reasons.
I still think it would be a blast to give it a shot. We do some work in older hospitals/medical schools where clay tile was used as filler. I can imagine everyone’s face when we cut a door and lintel in straight!! I wonder how the alligator would handle plaster on metal lathe?
Hugh Jass wrote:
On 8/17/2016 at 9:02 PM, Hugh Jass said:
Well for that logically it doesn’t make a ton of sense here. The primary use for that is cutting clay blocks, and even though it has many other uses, it’s benefits over a standard chainsaw are kind of limited. Better for this or that, but worse for many other things and reasons.
…. You’re right, no benefit here that I can see:
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I thought the new flex tools were supposed to ship the 15th?
DR99 wrote:
2 hours ago, DR99 said:I thought the new flex tools were supposed to ship the 15th?
Of September right?