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So for those of you who dont already know the Milwaukee tools that we buy in the USA are different then most of the rest of the world. When i say different i personally think ours are lacking in features. For example our fuel cases are red in the USA. Elsewhere they are black and much different. Our hand tools are red and theirs are red and black. This thread is about the Fuel circular saws. Below are pictures of our saws vs theirs, they have the ability to connect a hose and from the videos i have seen have almost zero dust (great for cutting indoors or just not having to clean up). There is Very Little info on any of this online, basically Zero info (this will be the first thread online with comparison pictures & info out there). I will be converting my new Milwaukee Fuel M18 circular saw (2730-20) into a CCS55 (this is what they call theirs). After a TON of searching, emails, phone calls, & becoming friends with a friends friend who lives in the UK who visits me each year… I have found a repair facility who will be sending me all the parts i need. I found out its more than just popping the other side on mine. It looks like it is going to cost be about $40 to do everything (not bad for the ability to use the saw normally or have the ability for dust collection). I know this is not for everyone, but for those of you interested, I hope this helps.
Here is a side by side of the 2 saws (I will be converting mine from the one on left to right):
Here is a side by side of the 2 kits (United States vs everyone else):
This is the main difference a lot of people have been talking about, the better cases they have:
Here are a few pics of their cases (refereed to as Dyna cases):
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Below are some of the pages I was told are ok to share from the scanned document:
I will update this thread as i get more info and all the info & parts needed…
Can’t wait to see how this turns out, love to have a DC connection
Jimbo
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but isn’t it more fun when your spittin sawdust after each cut! Kinda brings the Paul Bonyan out of ya…..
Yeah, personally I’d rather go home feeling itchy and disgusting and covered in dust. 40 dollars for cleanliness? Insane. You expect the people who paid more than $100 for their saw to have money left over to spend on feeling like a pretty boy? Give me a break.
In all seriousness though, keep us posted (literally) on how things go and how easily swapped these parts are, I’d be very interested in converting mine. The 6.5 needs this worse than the 7.25. Kudos for taking the plunge and being the Guinea pig!
comp56 wrote:
but isn’t it more fun when your spittin sawdust after each cut! Kinda brings the Paul Bonyan out of ya…..
In the shop or outside? Give me some man glitter!! Nice option though when your trying not to make a mess though
Jimbo
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Cool project. Keep us updated with how it goes and photos of the conversion. Also do you actually cut things with your fuel saws or do you just buy and return and rebuy and order parts to modify them and put on different blades? I don’t know where you have the time to cut anything ?
Bremon wrote:
1 hour ago, Bremon said:In all seriousness though, keep us posted (literally) on how things go and how easily swapped these parts are, I’d be very interested in converting mine. The 6.5 needs this worse than the 7.25. Kudos for taking the plunge and being the Guinea pig!
Yes i agree. The 7 1/4″ has that nice side cutout. The only reason that the 6.5″ shoots it out the front is b/c the hole in the front. if you notice one of the parts of the conversion is a front plug. This way the dust will come out the back. The majority of the time I will just use the saw normal & the saw will not always have the majority of that black part on there. It basically all clicks together so it will just be a hole (which i am not able to find a pic of) in the side like the 7 1/4″ one. — added more pics in OP.
This is a picture of the M12 how it comes when you buy Milwaukee in Germany. There are many different versions of each of the tools depending on where they are being shipped in the world. — updated, M12
Very cool, nice seeing you researching this, i too will be looking into it, dust can really do a number on me, I don’t care if I’m covered in it, but breathing it gives me a nice throbbing headache. It’s a constant reminder that my lungs are holding a grudge since I used to never wear protection when applying lacquer and other finishes
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olletsocmit wrote:
This is a picture of the 6.5″ how it comes when you buy Milwaukee in Germany (notice its different then the EU/UK one). There are many different versions of each of the tools depending on where they are being shipped in the world.
No this is the m12 5-3/8 if we’re looking at this picture
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Yeah, was gonna say “stem pack in the handle says otherwise”. That’s the 2530.
Bremon wrote:
Yeah, was gonna say “stem pack in the handle says otherwise”. That’s the 2530.
Yea u guys are right. I uploaded the wrong pic, updated post. This is a German M12 circ saw.
Most circular saws have vanes built into the upper guard to direct sawdust towards the extraction port and collimate the stream whether it attaches to a vacuum or not. Unless your upper guard is the same as the international model internally, there’s a good chance this will depend heavily on the suction of the vacuum to extract the dust.
Well, you just could get a Festool HKC then…… 😉
Seriously. Really cool idea and I would love to see this project at completion. Imagine working in a customers (or yours) kitchen or living room and not having to clear the room out from harmful dust or throw out food that’s been contaminated, cover over sensitive electronics etc. I could never understand why these saws (not just Milwaukee) aren’t sold here. Probably looser laws in the US?
ChrisK wrote:
4 hours ago, ChrisK said:Well, you just could get a Festool HKC then…… 😉
Seriously. Really cool idea and I would love to see this project at completion. Imagine working in a customers (or yours) kitchen or living room and not having to clear the room out from harmful dust or throw out food that’s been contaminated, cover over sensitive electronics etc. I could never understand why these saws (not just Milwaukee) aren’t sold here. Probably looser laws in the US?
now not trying to nit pick your post but these days if you are cutting something in a kitchen chances are it is not all that big and giving the fact there are so many cordless options available for circular saws cuts can be done outside…..I know aside from my basement workshop if I have to cut anything in my own house I do it either outside or in the shop. Yes I understand it is not always possible but having no cords makes things a little easier……
comp56 wrote:
50 minutes ago, comp56 said:now not trying to nit pick your post but these days if you are cutting something in a kitchen chances are it is not all that big and giving the fact there are so many cordless options available for circular saws cuts can be done outside…..I know aside from my basement workshop if I have to cut anything in my own house I do it either outside or in the shop. Yes I understand it is not always possible but having no cords makes things a little easier……
comp56 wrote:
50 minutes ago, comp56 said:now not trying to nit pick your post but these days if you are cutting something in a kitchen chances are it is not all that big and giving the fact there are so many cordless options available for circular saws cuts can be done outside…..I know aside from my basement workshop if I have to cut anything in my own house I do it either outside or in the shop. Yes I understand it is not always possible but having no cords makes things a little easier……
I think we agree with each other in that the cordless option is great. My HKC is actually cordless.
I don’t completely agree though in that
Contractors and DIY guys are often hard pressed for time (and $$$) Having cordless tools is a great option but being able to control harmful dust while working right where the subject matter is located saves time and money. In the case of Milwaukee introducing something like this, it allows the Milwaukee consumer to bring work right in, keep things clean, and get out saving the extra time of leaving the kitchen or the tech office or wherever else you may find yourself working. My HKC is completely cordless, operates with or without tracks and hooks up to a HEPA filtered DC unit. This piece of equipment the OP wants to add has always been a gripe of mine with circular saws here in the US while I have seen tools overseas have this awesome feature. @olletsocmit has a friggin spectacular idea and this is something a finish carpenter would absolutely love.
I can see use scenarios where dust control is critical. Using a circular saw to cut out a floor to replace a subfloor from water damage for example. You don’t want to breath mold or whatever materials were used the last 100 years in a case like that. That’s more a controlled demo type use though. That being said I don’t personally have a use for anything like that on a circular saw and I would guess most circular saws are used for cutting new wood with maybe some PVC occasionally and they tend to be used outdoors or on new constructionwhere maybe you’d only want to wear a mask and have no worries of creating a mess like you would indoors in a lived in space.
I can see having it on a stationary miter saw would be awesome though isn’t even much of an issue for me. I intend to get the m18 fuel miter but even that is going to be on a stand with wheels that I keep in the garage and wheel out to the threshold of the garage door to work and just clean it up with my 40v Ryobi blower. I always take my tools I’ve used for the day and blow them all off anyway to keep them from getting caked up. I’d do that even if I had dust extraction system in place because nothing will age a power tool quicker than getting them caked full of crude over time.
I’m ok with it not being mandated here in the US. If there’s a big call for it let the manufactures offer it. Festool doesn’t seem to have trouble offering their stuff here, albeit costing and arm and a leg. I find the conversion and part hunting interesting though so keep it up. If you like doing this and want it that’s all that matters. They’re your tools and you should modify them as you like and do what makes you happy.
It’s just weird. I think it has to do with more than just the government mandate, since basically about just everywhere else in the entire World they have the option and Milwaukee’s big in Europe so obviously people like it. Regardless Milwaukee sure at least give us the option it shouldn’t just be one way and that’s it. there’s no reason they can’t offer a few tools they have in normal and dust collection options.
And things like the case it makes no sense how it’s different everywhere else and especially the handtools how they have different handtools and theirs are black and red and ours are just red. why make all these different things very weird
Well they are very selective about what they allow and don’t mandate. For instance, Festool has a circular saw that cuts Dados. Will never be approved here because it could be quite dangerous. There are a few combination table/miter saws out there that are not approved for US consumers. The blade is again, in a precarious place that could be dangerous. Dust, in its myriad of forms ranges from annoying to downright poisonous yet the DC attachments isn’t mandated. Kind of curious!
ChrisK wrote:
3 hours ago, ChrisK said:Well they are very selective about what they allow and don’t mandate. For instance, Festool has a circular saw that cuts Dados. Will never be approved here because it could be quite dangerous. There are a few combination table/miter saws out there that are not approved for US consumers. The blade is again, in a precarious place that could be dangerous. Dust, in its myriad of forms ranges from annoying to downright poisonous yet the DC attachments isn’t mandated. Kind of curious!
Its probably not neccesarily that the tool would be approved or not but worries about a relatively litigious society here in the US and not wanting to leave themselves open to lawsuits with a more dangerous tool.
As to why Milwaukee doesn’t offer the option for some of the dust collection stuff it could be trying to limit how many sku’s they want to support but some decisions are just not knowable outside Milwaukee’s HQ. Like I bet the older 8.5″ m18 miter that’s been out in Europe for a while probably would have been decently popular here but maybe not if it cost too much so who knows…
JerryNY wrote:
5 hours ago, JerryNY said:I bet the older 8.5″ m18 miter that’s been out in Europe for a while probably would have been decently popular here but maybe not if it cost too much so who knows…
Cost is a big factor when you look at how much cheaper NA tools are compared to international. If the M18 miter saw was priced like the Makita one that’s been out for a decade no one would care. It was the Dewalt cordless miter saw that got everyone excited because it was reasonably priced.
olletsocmit wrote:
On 6.7.2016 at 10:07 PM, olletsocmit said:So for those of you who dont already know the Milwaukee tools that we buy in the USA are different then most of the rest of the world. When i say different i personally think ours are lacking in features. For example our fuel cases are red in the USA. Elsewhere they are black and much different. Our hand tools are red and theirs are red and black. This thread is about the Fuel circular saws. Below are pictures of our saws vs theirs, they have the ability to connect a hose and from the videos i have seen have almost zero dust (great for cutting indoors or just not having to clean up). There is Very Little info on any of this online, basically Zero info (this will be the first thread online with comparison pictures & info out there). I will be converting my new Milwaukee Fuel M18 circular saw (2730-20) into a CCS55 (this is what they call theirs). After a TON of searching, emails, phone calls, & becoming friends with a friends friend who lives in the UK who visits me each year… I have found a repair facility who will be sending me all the parts i need. I found out its more than just popping the other side on mine. It looks like it is going to cost be about $40 to do everything (not bad for the ability to use the saw normally or have the ability for dust collection). I know this is not for everyone, but for those of you interested, I hope this helps.
Here is a side by side of the 2 saws (I will be converting mine from the one on left to right):
Here is a side by side of the 2 kits (United States vs everyone else):
This is the main difference a lot of people have been talking about, the better cases they have:
Here are a few pics of their cases (refereed to as Dyna cases):
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Below are some of the pages I was told are ok to share from the scanned document:
I will update this thread as i get more info and all the info & parts needed…
The cases (HD cases)you show here doesn`t come with the tools, you need to buy that separately. And the cost around $80 pr.box.
Any update yet?
Jimbo
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Wishful thinking, still unsure how to obtain the parts for my saw…
Found this on toolGuyd
http://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-m12-fuel-circular-saw/
Jimmie says
Shame it doesn’t appear have a dust port for a vacuum attachment. Still, I’ll probably buy one.
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adam says
I can’t say I’ve seen any circular saws with dust ports, though I’m going to take a wild stab that Festool does.
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mnoswad says
heres the new m18 with dust port.
the dewalt 18volt in the UK had a dust port also.
tool marketers in the US seem to think that we like to be covered in sawdust even if we are using a cordless tool…………there are wrong. I use cordless and a shopvac at the same time, all the time.
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mnoswad says
yet looking at the us specs……..the dust port attachment is not going to be included with the tool and not offered in the accessories section either.
Stuart…….can you confirm?
big thumbs down here.
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glenn says
Interesting, our version appears to have a dust extractor port. See the pic on the right.
http://www.milwaukeetools.com.au/power-tools/cordless/m12-fuel/show/m12ccs44-0
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Chris says
I wonder how hard it is to get parts for the Euro model(s)? It looks like the blade cover part is exactly the same between US and European model, except for the dust port. Maybe just get the Euro version and screw it onto a US saw?
I cant see the motor side of the blade area so I dont know if there is something molded into that half too, but the half facing us in the pic looks exactly the same (I also found it interesting that one pic shows the Euro model and the other shows the US with the Euro battery hanging off it)
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Stuart says
Whoops, thanks for the reminder to change the pic out in my 2014-2015 preview post.
The UK/Europe version of the M18 Fuel full-size saw comes with a dust extractor port, the USA version comes with a dust chute.
Tool marketers in the USA have done a lot of market research that shows that most users here don’t use dust extractors.
I asked a power tool brand about a different tool that was marketed with a dust collector port outside the USA and without such a feature in the USA, and this is what they said:
The vast majority of NA users have not expressed the need for dust collection on this tool.
I am assuming that Milwaukee’s research showed the same when they polled their focus groups about these saws.
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mnoswad says
tell them they are wrong.
North american users cant use a dust extractor if their tools don’t have the extractor port.
chicken and egg logic being used to save a few cents on a plastic nozzle.
i’ll buy an attachment if they offered it.
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John says
I tweeted their @MilwaukeeTool account publicly about the want for the dust port extractor port for vac attachment option to upcoming US M12 2530-20 as the UK/AUS version has it M12CCS44-0. It looks like its just the shroud difference and port and 3 screws on the schematics. Perhaps if worse comes to worse we could buy the exact part from UK/AUS and retrofit it to the US version. I’d buy it even if it was sold as an accessory, been waiting for this M12 saw for quite a while for indoor work. Would be horrible to have to deal with a dust chute indoors [External image (s.w.org), not copied]
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slightly off topic, but if Dewalt makes a blade left FlexVolt, is there a way to make a dust chute work without blowing dust all over the motor housing or do blade left typically just have a blower like my 6.5 Fuel?
Bremon wrote:
4 hours ago, Bremon said:slightly off topic, but if Dewalt makes a blade left FlexVolt, is there a way to make a dust chute work without blowing dust all over the motor housing or do blade left typically just have a blower like my 6.5 Fuel?
This is Australia version of the circ saw but the way the dust port works is it vacuums the finer dust up and then when it’s going through say treated lumber and it will let the clumps of wetter sawdust fall out instead of picking it up. It’s the right idea I guess, since the vacuum picks up airborn dust but let’s the clumps fall out so maybe the vacuum lasts longer between cleaning. But if I’m using a vacuum on a saw, I want it to get ALL the sawdust so there’s no cleanup involved.
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Sorry for no updates recently… I have been super busy and have not ordered the parts yet due to wanting to make 110% sure I make sure I have a list of all the correct parts. I would hate to miss a plug or screws and have to ship them across country again.
Took these a few days ago…
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Update — Due to a lot of financial Issues for my family right now and in the near future, I will not be able to afford completing this project for a long time. I will be selling a few of my tools to try and pay for the parts. I was thinking that if people were willing to donate $1 to get the to total needed, I could get the parts and do the review, after that I could do a give-away for the parts to a confirmed member. also the $ could be donated to the website for webhosting or to the winners choosing to a charity.
Of course, this would all be verified and checked out first by the site admins before anything was done. just a thought if I am not able to make enough $ after selling the tools.
That’s rough news Olletsocmit, best wishes and regards to you and your family. How much are the parts?
That’s a real bummer, bring ya back to earth with an unpleasant bump….
I had looked but couldn’t find prices, but I had not made any phonecalls yet, that might be more helpful…
The closest I got was if I ordered a whole saw from Europe
Bremon wrote:
That’s rough news Olletsocmit, best wishes and regards to you and your family. How much are the parts?
Thanks a lot man really means a lot very seldom now a day do people take the time to care about others. Things are going great and amazing for years and then all of a sudden one day boom there not. but I’m trying to stay positive because again things will get good!
I received two quotes one was for $53 and the other was $68
Tough times pass, and despite how troublesome they can be they do multiple things for us:
– help us appreciate the good times more when they’re back again
– they can be learning experiences where we gain insight into ourselves and others
– teach us to be more prepared for them when they rear their heads again
how should we pool resources together for our conversion? PayPal? Email transfer to you?
On another note, I find it easy to care about people’s wellbeing; especially on small forums like this one. We message the same people everyday more or less lol. We may not all be “friends” or even get along that great but we interact enough to be acquaintances. Hits close to home when someone you interact with regularly has hardships. Any of the crew having problems isn’t that different to me than chatting with a neighbor who’s having problems. In fact, I prefer a lot of you guys to some of my neighbors haha.
Cheers
If you tell me where you plan on getting them, I’ll buy them for my saw and see how it goes before you do yous in case any issues arise, it’s not a big deal for me to maybe modify if need be.
I would need the parts for my m12 saw
I know this sounds crazy/bad but it’s taken me at least 10 hrs + so far of international calls, tons of research, pulling apart my saw & matching to line items on CAD diagrams that were not in English, etc. I am currently about 95%+ positive I have all the parts needed, down to extra screws in case the thread pattern is different than ours in the US (which sounds crazy but there’s a very very good chance that even the screws and the thread patterns will be different from other countries to our US saws, so I think I have worked that all out as well) as well as the conversion to US pattern threads as backups!
That was the whole point behind this project though… to put a quality tutorial together. That had side-by-side drawling’s, specs, measurements, videos, etc. So others could do it & ultimately we could have a solid section on the site w/ sticky threads (broken down by the full conversion of each tool as I do them). This would make possible bulk ordering for Everyone on the site …or an individual who just wants to do it on their own. The few guys I’m working w/ overseas like the idea of me having a correct list of all the parts needed so a PO can be submitted easy.
The whole reason it’s taking so much time & is important is b/c i’m getting all the correct compatible parts so there’s zero modification to any metal or plastic on the tool (important b/c none of this will void any warranties, it’ll all be bolt on). Also there’s a lot of little things you don’t think about like the thread patterns, spacers, extra parts for the dust port, adapter so it fits US hose sizes, anglers, etc. remember the shipping from overseas so for five missed parts adds up to hundred some shipping and still might not be correct. Plus international calling is tricky due to the time differences and the cost. The other thing is that I found a few guys who are really helping me out with this over there and taking photos and scans from some of their books & measuring sizes of parts.
I was even thinking of having these parts shipped inside one of the Milwaukee black Dino cases 😉
Those black cases are pretty slick!
The reason I haven’t spent a lot of time on this recently over the last few weeks and making all my international calls is because I’ve been spending 15 to 20 hours a day looking for work, posting resume’s, looking for side jobs, etc. Since I have the next four days off and then one day at work and then three days off after that…. it looks like I will have some free time. the majority will be spent looking for work and helping family out, but I’m going to dedicate a couple hours maybe about 10 to finalize and 100% complete this project! I feel like a total dick and 100% completely embarrassed that I created this thread and spent all this time and now I can’t even complete it, but I at least promise I will follow through and get an exact PO list ready with every part and every diagram.
— if anybody else is interested in doing any other tool conversions please Posten let me know post pictures and the info of the tool I will work my friends and spend the time I have to continue this project for you
Take your time. You’re giving your time to this thread in the spirit of helping others. No one can demand a schedule from your for it. Good luck with that job hunt!
Nah Tim, don’t feel that way, I know what priorities are, and sometimes you have to put things on the back burner for the time being. I see you’re taking care of the things you need to, good luck on the job hunt!
I’m curious to know what part of PA you’re in?
No need to feel that way life happens. Family is number 1. The way I see it, no work no extra cash no projects so finding work and taking care of family is number 1.
No need to feel like a dick, no pressure to complete this either
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OK so I’m thinking I’m going to give this another go and order the parts. I’ve been trying to save about five dollars a week from each paycheck, all I can do with the financial issues in my life right now… i’m going to spend the next day or two looking over all my research and make sure I’m 100% sure I’m not missing anything. Is anyone else interested, that way we could try to get more than one kit at a time. To save on some shipping at least
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I might be in. How much are the parts looking to run?
It’s been a while since I visited this thread. It’s an interesting project. Sorry to hear of the hardship olletsocmit. I hope things improve for you soon. One thing I was wondering that might be more cost effective over the long haul is to see about buying a nonfunctional tool from Europe and swapping the parts over. That way you’d also have a complete tool as a model in front of you and swap over part by part to see how things fit. You figure you could probably snag a dead tool somewhere for cheap.
JerryNY wrote:
16 minutes ago, JerryNY said:It’s been a while since I visited this thread. It’s an interesting project. Sorry to hear of the hardship olletsocmit. I hope things improve for you soon. One thing I was wondering that might be more cost effective over the long haul is to see about buying a nonfunctional tool from Europe and swapping the parts over. That way you’d also have a complete tool as a model in front of you and swap over part by part to see how things fit. You figure you could probably snag a dead tool somewhere for cheap.
I was watching the eBay sites for this but didn’t come across one…. yet. Now that you say this I’m going to check again myself
I know everyone has been curious about the outcome of this project… I think I’m going to pull the trigger on the parts tonight or tomorrow morning depend on when the guy in Europe shoots me a call back. Based on all my international calls and research and measuring from my saw & the overseas ones, it looks like this will go off without a hitch. Were all about 99% positive.
After this review, I plan on doing a very very in-depth video & build review with everything laid out and specs. And then more important I’ll start all over again with a new tool. I’d like to hear your guys thoughts on the next venture. what about the M18 Fuel 7 1/4 right blade circular saw? Or is there something else you guys looking for? I was hoping to have more money right now because this is a perfect time for me/us to get our hands on a black Milwaukee case that everyone’s been talking about. Hopefully I’ll have more money after I order parts for a different tool next time!!
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I have both the m12 and the 7-1/4″ fuel, looking to get dust ports for both.
Any chance you have info on those saws?
KnarlyCarl wrote:
3 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:I have both the m12 and the 7-1/4″ fuel, looking to get dust ports for both.
Any chance you have info on those saws?
Ditto on the 7 1/4″. I’m seriously looking at ebaying the overseas M12 though to save the headache.