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I know lots of people here love comparisons, and oztooltalk have some big one’s coming up. We’re comparing the COMPACT (BL) DRILLS and also BL IMPACT DRIVERS, testing June 10-11 and videos to be released a few weeks later. So for those who love this sort of thing, if you have any feedback about what you’d like to see, or not see, now’s your chance to have input!
My current plans are as follows:
18V COMPACT HAMMER DRILLS:
MODELS: Bosch BL DDS183, Dewalt BL DCD796, Makita BL DHP480, Milwaukee BL 2702-20, Metabo BS18 Quick (NOT BL or Hammer).
TESTS: Runtime in 35mm pine with 17mm augers (2Ah batts) | Power in 1st & 2nd speed by trying increasing sizes of auger bits (5ah and 2Ah) | 6mm concrete drilling | 3mm and 8mm steel drilling | Driving bugel batten screws
OTHER: Weight, comfort, heat?, chuck grip and accuracy, price, warranty, RPM/BPM
18V IMPACT DRIVERS
MODELS: Bosch BL IDH182, Dewalt BL DCF887, Makita BL DTD148, Milwaukee BL 2753, Hitachi BL WH18DDL (IP56), Metabo SSD 18 LTX (not BL)
TESTS: Runtime in 125mm bugel batten screws | Power in driving coach screws | Drilling with auger bits? | Fine driving of small screws.
OTHER: Speed setting usage, weight, comfort, heat?, bit-holder usage, price, warranty, RPM/IPM
Thoughts???
What sort of video length would you want to see? Anything you disliked or loved about our planer comparison or previous hammer drill comparison?
I think your comparison video’s are soms of the best around. You Guys seem to know what youre doing so keep at it 😀
Metabo also had compact brushless Models buy maybe they are not available to you ? 🙂
thanks korno! I can only find a FULL SIZE BL drill from Metabo, not a compact model. Do you have a link or model or pic? Cheers.
Hard to avoid lengthier videos with comparison which allows you to be more thorough and hit the points you want to make about the drills, can’t wait to see dwain.
Jimbo
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Thanks Jimbo! It’s going to be a fun, but long project…
dwain wrote:
Thanks Jimbo! It’s going to be a fun, but long project…
Yes it is!
Jimbo
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dwain wrote:
On 5/27/2016 at 8:44 AM, dwain said:thanks korno! I can only find a FULL SIZE BL drill from Metabo, not a compact model. Do you have a link or model or pic? Cheers.
Ill check out metabo folders in the store on tuesday 🙂 then im at work again. It only recently came out. It is a new folder metabo put out in belgium last month 🙂
It also had a new brushless heavy duty model with 120 newton torque. Follow up to the drill you loved in your heavy duty drill shootout last year 🙂
www.metabo.com/be/nl/machines/accu-machines/accu-boorschroevendraaier/bs-18-lt-bl-602325670-accu-boorschroevendraaiers.html
Thats a link to the new compact brushless drill by metabo 🙂 ( belgium website tho 😛 )
thanks korno. mmm, that look’s sexy.
Any chance of having mics on you to eliminate the reverb from your voices when you guys are talking farther away from the camera?
Having a large selection of Milwaukee already, my concern is anything related with their line, so i’m glad you’re looking at the chuck, because I’ve read about problems with theirs holding bits in place and falling out
Hey Knarly,
We don’t have lapel mics (nor can my camera support multiple mics I think). But I do have a shotgun mic, and I’ve been playing around with the idea of having that mounted right above us. I’ll give it a shot I reckon 🙂
I’ve not heard anything bad about Milwaukee chucks. I’ve experienced some slippage with Dewalt chucks, but not a really big problem,,,
Testing & filming starts tomorrow!
Nice !
took about 130 videos. I’ve now culled and renamed to 96 videos total of 54GB. This is not gonna be quick …. :/
dwain wrote:
On 27/5/2016 at 8:05 AM, dwain said:My current plans are as follows:
18V COMPACT HAMMER DRILLS:
MODELS: Bosch BL DDS183, Dewalt BL DCD796, Makita BL DHP480, Milwaukee BL 2702-20, Metabo BS18 Quick (NOT BL or Hammer).
TESTS: Runtime in 35mm pine with 17mm augers (2Ah batts) | Power in 1st & 2nd speed by trying increasing sizes of auger bits (5ah and 2Ah) | 6mm concrete drilling | 3mm and 8mm steel drilling | Driving bugel batten screws
OTHER: Weight, comfort, heat?, chuck grip and accuracy, price, warranty, RPM/BPM
Thoughts???
Looking forward to the review.
Hopefully you will test and demonstrate the KickBack Control of Bosch BL DDS183 and check if any of the competitors has a KickBack control feature too. This is the first compact model from Bosch to have KickBack Control. Their robust series has had this feature for a long time, but here they called it ERC (Electronic Rotation Control) on their old 4-pole brushed drill. On the new brushless robust and compact series drill they changed the name to KickBack Control, but it’s the same thing.
Bosch Electronic Rotation Control ad
Btw. isn’t the Bosch only named BL DDS183 in North America and GSB 18 V-EC for Australia, Europe etc. The only real difference is the accepted input voltage of the charger though.
It is however annoying that Bosch has decided to keep the same model name GSB 18 V-EC for this drill as the old brushless compact drill it replaces. The new drill has a metal chuck vs. plastic on the old one. The new model also has KickBack Control as mentioned, unlike the old model. The new model is also shorter ans I< beleive it has higher torque specs too,
Keeping the same model name for a new generation is only going to cause confusion and some might end up ordering the wrong model online because you just check the model name and not being aware of two different models sharing the same name.
Looking forward to the finished product. I almost always enjoy your videos.
Just like the rest of the crew I learn lots and love the reviews u guys do for us ?
BK13 wrote:
Just now, BK13 said:Looking forward to the finished product. I almost always enjoy your videos.
Thanks BK. Hit me with some constructive feedback!
Do you have a way to measure actual torque? Not the theoretical torque we get from the manufacturers?
JimboS1ice wrote:
12 hours ago, JimboS1ice said:Do you have a way to measure actual torque? Not the theoretical torque we get from the manufacturers?
I can’t measure torque in Nm or in-lbs. I can only test which is most powerful in real life ways, like how large an auger they can drive, and how long hard tasks take.
dwain wrote:
I can’t measure torque in Nm or in-lbs. I can only test which is most powerful in real life ways, like how large an auger they can drive, and how long hard tasks take.
Yea that’s all I can do too, would love to have the means to test the actual torque and put a number to it!
Jimbo
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JimboS1ice wrote:
Do you have a way to measure actual torque? Not the theoretical torque we get from the manufacturers?
Plus it’s pointless, you know…. if you want those numbers, bozotool review does that. Interesting finding out the numbers, but worthless in real world because it just takes experience and knowledge of the material and bits to know what drill will work with what bit. I’m sure somewhere there’s a chart explaining how much torque is required to drill a 1″ hole through a triple layer of 2×6 so you know what drill you need, but the variables at minimum are such as sharpness of the bit, density of the wood, humidity, etc… I think the most useful test is how they compare with each other doing the same task.
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KnarlyCarl wrote:
Plus it’s pointless, you know…. if you want those numbers, bozotool review does that. Interesting finding out the numbers, but worthless in real world because it just takes experience and knowledge of the material and bits to know what drill will work with what bit. I’m sure somewhere there’s a chart explaining how much torque is required to drill a 1″ hole through a triple layer of 2×6 so you know what drill you need, but the variables at minimum are such as sharpness of the bit, density of the wood, humidity, etc… I think the most useful test is how they compare with each other doing the same task.Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk
Exactly! Just curious how accurate their numbers are and I know he does I just can’t stand his videos or the comments he makes either.
Jimbo
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Having seen the tests with actual numbers I think we can all agree that the manufacturer specs are right. The problem is that all goes out the window when it comes to using the tool. I like what you’re doing a lot more than that.
Another new feature on the Bosch I would like to see tested is electronic clutch. Instead of a mechanical clutch that just keeps clicking when the selected torque setting is reached, the new Bosch immediately stops the drill so you wont hear any clicking when the screw has reached the selected torque. This reduces clutch and and drill wear and you won’t hear the annoying clicking noise.
Does any of the other models in the review have an electronic clutch too?
This German review (with English subtitles if you turn it on) is comparing the new Bosch GSR 18 V-EC 2016 to the previous Bosch GSR 18 V-EC. He demonstrates the new electronic clutch @5:05
He also demonstrates the KickBack Control @3:45
KnarlyCarl wrote:
14 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:if you want those numbers, bozotool review does that.
Do you have a link to bozotool’s reviews or YouTube channel? I couldn’t find it.
PH1 wrote:
Another new feature on the Bosch I would like to see tested is electronic clutch. Instead of a mechanical clutch that just keeps clicking when the selected torque setting is reached, the new Bosch immediately stops the drill so you wont hear any clicking when the screw has reached the selected torque. This reduces clutch and and drill wear and you won’t hear the annoying clicking noise.Does any of the other models in the review have an electronic clutch too?
This German review (with English subtitles if you turn it on) is comparing the new Bosch GSR 18 V-EC 2016 to the previous Bosch GSR 18 V-EC. He demonstrates the new electronic clutch @5:05
He also demonstrates the KickBack Control @3:45
Dewalts dcd 995 and 996 have an e clutch that does that, I love it
PH1 wrote:
Do you have a link to bozotool’s reviews or YouTube channel? I couldn’t find it.
It’s his new nickname… was referring to realtoolreviews haha
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KnarlyCarl wrote:
19 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:Hehehehehe
At least we know now that bozo tool reviews isn’t taken if anyone wants it!
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At least we know now that bozo tool reviews isn’t taken if anyone wants it!Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
Maybe I should do that and dress up like a clown lol
Jimbo
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JimboS1ice wrote:
Maybe I should do that and dress up like a clown lolJimbo
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I was thinking maybe I would jump on that channel name!
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I was thinking maybe I would jump on that channel name!Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
Always room for Ray reiners character… What was his name?
Jimbo
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JimboS1ice wrote:
11 hours ago, JimboS1ice said:
Thanks for the answer. But not on their compact brushless models DCD 790, 791, 795 and/or 796?
KnarlyCarl wrote:
8 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:It’s his new nickname… was referring to realtoolreviews haha
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Thanks, thought so. Just didn’t know who this was a nickname for.
I have tried almost everything out there and i can say that i am 110% happy with my Milwaukee gen 2 Fuel set, haven’t come across anything better yet.
and BTW, I actually enjoy the longer videos
PH1 wrote:
Just now, PH1 said:Another new feature on the Bosch I would like to see tested is electronic clutch.
I’ll see if I can check it before I post. The testing is all done now, so you’re a little late to the party unfortunately.
PH1 wrote:
Thanks for the answer. But not on their compact brushless models DCD 790, 791, 795 and/or 796?
You know I can’t honestly remember, maybe but I don’t think I’ve clutched out the 791, I’ll look into it and let you now, maybe it does but I do know it’s not as good of a clutch as the 995/996
Jimbo
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It’s up! http://professional-power-tool-guide.com/power-tool-forum/index.php?/topic/10366-massive-compact-bl-drill-fight-dewalt-milwaukee-bosch-makita-metabo-panasonic/