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I’m sure there is something to this, a defective model or some underlining issues hope it gets fixed rapidly.
Interesting, I wonder what the issue is, hope Rob gets his answers and makes another video explaining things
KnarlyCarl wrote:
2 minutes ago, KnarlyCarl said:Interesting, I wonder what the issue is, hope Rob gets his answers and makes another video explaining things
Sabotage from SawStop ;D
Wow that’s terrible wouldn’t expect fighting the wood with a 1500 dollar saw
I was keeping tabs on this a little bit and the last I read was Rob was waiting on a software update or something to correct the issue? Now I’m second guessing where I saw that, but I’m interested in knowing what came of this
KnarlyCarl wrote:
I was keeping tabs on this a little bit and the last I read was Rob was waiting on a software update or something to correct the issue? Now I’m second guessing where I saw that, but I’m interested in knowing what came of this
Last I heard they did a firmware update and the saw functions fine now, I believe toolaholic mentioned that
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Yep they figured out the problem. The only problem is you have to take the saw into be re flashed you can’t do it yourself.
Missed this post. It was just a firmware update. It was only on the first models that were out. All the models on the market are OK now, at least from my understanding. The saw is a beast now.
I only want it if I can connect it to one of those amazon voice contraptions
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I just saw an update on the REAXX and did a little hunting for the US ITC ruling: https://www.usitc.gov/secretary/fed_reg_notices/337/337_965_notice01272017sgl.pdf
Short story is REAXX is done in the US and if you bought one, you better hoard cartridges for them because aren’t legal for import either.
Its a shame SawStop is making a monopoly. Reaxx is the superior system.
ya seems they are striving to take any means to eliminate the competition, im curious to what the patents are that are in violation
could be something as simple as it detects fingers.
Jronman wrote:
18 hours ago, Jronman said:Reaxx is the superior system.
In what way? It’s not a product I have followed as I really dont have use for it.
Are you talking about the safety part of it? Doubting you meant its a better table saw than the SawStop.
SawStop is the better saw if you get the cabinet grade saw, but Reaxx has the better safety mechanism. Saw stop uses a brake that is shot at the edge of the blade to instantly stop the blade and at the same time the blade quickly lowers under the table. This works except it not only ruins the blade it also ruins the brake. Your out of a brake and a saw blade. With Reaxx it stops and lowers the blade but the brake mechanism isn’t damaging and only needs replaced after 20 or so triggers of the saftey system. The only thing that a user needs to do when resetting the Reaxx is either flip the 2 use air cartridge or replace it.
Jronman wrote:
Just now, Jronman said:SawStop is the better saw if you get the cabinet grade saw, but Reaxx has the better safety mechanism. Saw stop uses a brake that is shot at the edge of the blade to instantly stop the blade and at the same time the blade quickly lowers under the table. This works except it not only ruins the blade it also ruins the brake. Your out of a brake and a saw blade. With Reaxx it stops and lowers the blade but the brake mechanism isn’t damaging and only needs replaced after 20 or so triggers of the saftey system. The only thing that a user needs to do when resetting the Reaxx is either flip the 2 use air cartridge or replace it.
I think “better safety mechanism” is a matter of opinion. You’re quite right that the Sawstop ruins the blade and the brake mechanism when it triggers. However, the Bosch flesh detecting tech, while it works, gives you a greater chance of injury. There’s a series of videos on the youtubes showing exactly what happens when you push your hand at high speed into the spinning blade of both saws. The Bosch made a significantly larger cut and I suspect that, had the blade not been almost entirely “hidden” by the 2×4, the injury would have been much worse and possibly required a trip to the ER. It will still probably save your fingers from being amputated, but I think it’s note quite as safe as the Sawstop and has greater potential for injury.
On the job-site, the Bosch is certainly faster to reset and cheaper to operate. For my fingers though in my garage, I’m going to go with the safer alternative, even if it will cost more (cabinet saws aren’t cheap) to buy and operate.
Would be nice when patents run out to see companies come together to make a standardized system that is as safe as SawStop but wont damage the tool like Reaxx. Maybe if enough companies help produce it, they could just use the same system to keep costs down and make repairs and resetting the saw much cheaper.
Jronman wrote:
22 hours ago, Jronman said:Would be nice when patents run out to see companies come together to make a standardized system that is as safe as SawStop but wont damage the tool like Reaxx. Maybe if enough companies help produce it, they could just use the same system to keep costs down and make repairs and resetting the saw much cheaper.
That would be nice. However, I suspect that there are enough bone headed “I take the safety features off of my tools as soon as I buy them” people out there that would rather save a few $ on the price of a saw that this won’t take root. After all, there is still a thriving community of people that refuse to wear seatbelts and actually exchange tips on how to disable the alarms and bings that new cars have when you don’t put it on.
I am a subscriber to Rob Cosman online workshop’s now. In one of his training videos he talked about his Sawstop. They have triggered the thing 4 times now. According to Rob if you have a 3 HP unit it will not destroy the blade normally but the 5HP models will. I have no personal experience but thought I would add to the conversation.
Would be great to have something that was reusable. The Reaxx is not enough saw for me so there would be no debate on which one I would buy. Nothing against Bosch, just not in the same class.
I thought at one point there were a few different models of the reaxx
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rrmccabe wrote:
9 hours ago, rrmccabe said:I am a subscriber to Rob Cosman online workshop’s now. In one of his training videos he talked about his Sawstop. They have triggered the thing 4 times now. According to Rob if you have a 3 HP unit it will not destroy the blade normally but the 5HP models will. I have no personal experience but thought I would add to the conversation.
Would be great to have something that was reusable. The Reaxx is not enough saw for me so there would be no debate on which one I would buy. Nothing against Bosch, just not in the same class.
Interesting on the blade thing. I’ve the 1-3/4hp. I’ve not set my cartridge off (thank God) but good blades aren’t cheap.
We have 1.75 and 3 hp SawStops (about 8 of them). I had always heard that the blades get destroyed by the stop mechanism, but that is not the case imo. When they are tripped we usually swap out the blade along with the mechanism, but they are just sent out to be sharpened. I have not seen one completely trashed by the mechanism. Its just a spring loaded aluminum block that is driven into the blade, and the carriage drops down in the process.
I do not think they spend more than 25.00 on a 10in wood blade anyway.
The majority of them being tipped is guys touching the blade with a tape measure before the blade stops or not cleaning the machine out properly after cutting aluminum.
Honestly I don’t think the cost of a replacement cartridge an blade should matter.
If I was a bussniess owner I don’t see how you can afford to use a regular tablesaw. A injury at work can be very pricy. I mean not just do you have medical an insurance to deal with but there is possible legal fees.
I know you can’t prevent all injuries but if it reduces risk it’s worth it.
Maybe not but if I tripped mine and destroyed $200 worth of cartridge and blade because of moisture in wood or finding a sliver of metal in plywood then price would matter.
I would then be bypassing the safety feature every time I cut plywood or anything else I was worried about. At that point the safety feature has little value.
I have the Jobsite Sawstop. It does not easily trip with cutting moist wood. By that I mean that I have NEVER activated it. It has to be substantially wet wood to activate. A finger and or metal is much more conductive than wet wood. These stories of fake activations seem to be more prevalent among people that don’t even have the saw. There is a built in feature where you can deactivate the safety system. You can then do a test cut and the system will tell you if the material is conductive enough to activate without actually doing it, if your concerned. On a side note most good blades are not damaged after a activation. The cartridge is made of aluminum and acts like a crumple zone in a car to absorb the energy. It doest just jam a hard piece of metal into the blade.
Marcv76 wrote:
54 minutes ago, Marcv76 said:I have the Jobsite Sawstop. It does not easily trip with cutting moist wood. By that I mean that I have NEVER activated it. It has to be substantially wet wood to activate. A finger and or metal is much more conductive than wet wood. These stories of fake activations seem to be more prevalent among people that don’t even have the saw. There is a built in feature where you can deactivate the safety system. You can then do a test cut and the system will tell you if the material is conductive enough to activate without actually doing it, if your concerned. On a side note most good blades are not damaged after a activation. The cartridge is made of aluminum and acts like a crumple zone in a car to absorb the energy. It doest just jam a hard piece of metal into the blade.
Good explanation, and you could say that about a lot of things:
“These stories of [insert allegation] seem to be more prevalent among people that don’t even have the [insert item]”
Fletcher94 wrote:
3 hours ago, Fletcher94 said:Honestly I don’t think the cost of a replacement cartridge an blade should matter.
If I was a bussniess owner I don’t see how you can afford to use a regular tablesaw. A injury at work can be very pricy. I mean not just do you have medical an insurance to deal with but there is possible legal fees.
I know you can’t prevent all injuries but if it reduces risk it’s worth it.
I’m surprised the insurance companies don’t require SawStop’s for “larger” commercial shops. There have been a few cases in my shop where it definitely saved some fingers.
Seems like it would be a must have for a small shop with a few employee’s where a shop injury could ruin the business.