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This sounds interesting.
http://www.metabo.com.au/LiHD-Technology.56489.0.html
My 5.2 Ah batteries last for ages as it is. Sounds exciting either way.
Been trying to find more info but all metabo sites really just post translations of that same text 😀
http://www.metabo.com.au/LiHD-Technology.56493.0.htmlHere is a little more it looks like they can just drawn more amps and is new branding on higher amp hour cells to be honest.
Very exciting stuff. I’m not in metabo’s line of tools but it will only be a matter of time before this trickles down to other manufacturers
They are really going for it with these new batteries.
Its cool and all but Metabo can’t seem to make any traction on the US market. TIA hasn’t reviewed much Metabo in years. Lowes sells Metabo online now, the prices are more than other brands but not too bad to be honest. The big problem is marketing no one really knows except hard core tool users.
yup. I’ve never heard of Metabo til I joined this forumDR99 wrote:
Its cool and all but Metabo can’t seem to make any traction on the US market. TIA hasn’t reviewed much Metabo in years. Lowes sells Metabo online now, the prices are more than other brands but not too bad to be honest. The big problem is marketing no one really knows except hard core tool users.
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I love Metabo but so hard to find tools and info for the states
Metabo who, no your right when u talk about tools, u just don’t hear metabo. U have your main liners like dewalt, Milwaukee, Bosch, festool, just don’t hear or see much on metabo.
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Over this side of the world, Metabo is quite prominent. Not as popular as Milwaukee or Hitachi in my industry for cordless tools, but everywhere as far as grinders go. Here almost nobody touches Dewalt…
Even this side of the pond it is not a given that you get more information.
But I guess that’s what the forum does. The new 9 AH Milwaukee batteries will be the same Tech I would have thought.
Wayne!!!!!! How the heck are ya dude!!!!!
Cop tool.com has a write-up on these batteries as well. http://www.coptool.com/metabo-new-lihd-battery-87-more-runtime-over-5-2ah/#more-4648 The batteries look pretty interesting, I just wish Metabo had a good distribution network here in the states. I wanted one of their brushless hammer drills when it came out, but even a good 6 to 8 months later it still wasn’t available here.
No milwaukee’s 9 amp battery is just the cheap solution: slapping on another row of cells.
Metabo lihd seem to me to have alot more innovatieve engineering into them. If their marketing figures are right then hat off to metabo
Joining here late…
I’ve been using a Metabo 18V drill for the last 4-5 years and it’s still going like a beast. It was by far one of the most compact drills when I got it and one of the most powerful as well. I can stall it, but not easily and it’s hurt me a few times when I wasn’t braced correctly. Fastenal is a distributor and is where I got mine, although I actually drove to Metabo’s US headquarters here in PA to pick it up. I was also there once for service when I let the smoke out. They replaced it on the spot for an entire new unit (case, charger, two batteries) and even let me keep the old batteries and charger. I can’t kill the damn thing.
They actually have a guy on site who pretty much does nothing but test tools all day to the death and all their service guys were extremely competent, well trained and professional. I’d definitely buy their product again.
The one nice thing about Metabo is your tools are probably less likely to get swiped off the jobsite. Thieves are going to go for the major brands for quick cash. They are less likely to grab something they don’t know about or think its cheap like Ryobi.
Here in the UK metabo is as big as Dewalt and bosch and metabo tools are great and I think their batteries are above all the other brands , these new lihd batteries kick out more power then any other lithium batteries out there
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did anyone else see CopTools grinder comparison. The Metabo wiped the floor with FUEL and Makita BL for runtime…
Thats what the lihd does for yah !!
Did you see the reciprocating saw comparison. The metabo was the oldest but still finished second. The fuel was first since it was the only brushless saw there.dwain wrote:
did anyone else see CopTools grinder comparison. The Metabo wiped the floor with FUEL and Makita BL for runtime…
I dont think i saw that comparison? Do you have a link?
Cool ! Thanks dwain ! i’m surprised the Makita doesnt totaly suck ! =D
I think it does suck, but the Bosch and Metabo also do 😉
The Dewalt and Milwaukee smash the other three in the time-trials.
dwain wrote:
I think it does suck, but the Bosch and Metabo also do 😉
The Dewalt and Milwaukee smash the other three in the time-trials.
Hahaha. You must be right because the Makita definetly does suck!! At least mine does.. I have a feeling that mine actually sucks more than most though. There has to be something wrong with mine. its the first old old serial number model so maybe that has something to do with it
Luckily it seems like a Makita has an update right around the corner so they will suck no more!!
Just bought ,myself a 6.2 Ah liHD battery, will give it a good test next week when I’m back at work.
Hi there, I just signed up on this forum.
I just saw Bosch has announced a 6.3 Ah 18V (20Vmax) battery. Their current highest capacity option is 6.0 Ah. The new battery will be named Bosch GBA 18 V 6.3 Ah EneRacer Professional.
Bosch was the first power tool company to come out with a 6.0 Ah battery last year.
Just like Bosch, Metabo is also a front-runner in bringing out the highest capacity power tool battery packs and is the current 18 V fat pack leader with 6.2 Ah. Milwaukee also has an 18 V; 9.0 Ah “mega fat” battery pack, but that is with 5s3p cells instead of the usual 5s2p cell configuration used in all regular 18 V fat packs. 18 V slim packs use a 5s1p cell configuration.
Toolguyd article including video demo from the Bosch Blue Innovation Summit 2016:
http://toolguyd.com/bosch-connected-18v-cordless-power-tools/#comment-801003
Press release – Bosch Power Tools relies on connectivity:
http://www.bosch-presse.de/presseforum/details.htm?txtID=7664&tk_id=112&locale=en
QuoteThe latest example of innovative cordless technology from Bosch is the high-performance battery GBA 18V 6,3 Ah EneRacer Professional, which will be available from autumn 2016. An improved power connector within the cells ensures lower internal resistance, which means that higher currents can be drawn from the cells over a longer time. The result is an increase in available power in a compact battery.
Metabos LIHD and bosch’s EneRacer batteries both have the 20700 type lithium cells. Thesame ones used in the Tesla cars.
Those will be the future 🙂 1 more year And every brand will have the i guess 🙂
kornomaniac wrote:
18 hours ago, kornomaniac said:Metabos LIHD and bosch’s EneRacer batteries both have the 20700 type lithium cells. Thesame ones used in the Tesla cars.
Tesla has not used 20700 cells for any of their cars (or power walls) yet.
Tesla Roadster, Model S and X all use standard size 18650 cells.
The cheaper Model 3 will however use 20700 cells when it goes into production.
Tesla confirmed just last week that the Giga Factory will manufacture a new 20700 cell format:
http://cleantechnica.com/2016/06/06/5-billion-tesla-gigafactory-worth-50-billion-analyst-estimates/
Quote“At the annual shareholder meeting on May 31, Tesla announced that its battery output potential could triple to nearly 105 gigawatt-hours of battery cells and gigawatt hours of battery packs for energy storage. Combined, that is nearly three times the total production of lithium ion batteries in the entire world. Musk also noted that the battery plant will also be updating the form factor of its existing cylindrical Li-ion cell that carries a 18 mm diameter and 65 mm height better known as an 18650 to a larger diameter and taller 20700 cell (20 mm dia x 70 mm height).”
Tesla currently use Panasonic NCR18650B cells for both Model S and X. NCR18650B datasheet: http://www.batteryspace.com/prod-specs/NCR18650B.pdf
Here is the tentative datasheet for Panasonic NCR20700B.
I just took the @metaboNAmerica plunge and got the cordless grinder and quick drill and hammer drill and the 1/2″ high torque impact wrench. Still a few more on the list. Love these tools so far.
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I just took the @metaboNAmerica plunge and got the cordless grinder and quick drill and hammer drill and the 1/2″ high torque impact wrench. Still a few more on the list. Love these tools so far.
Cordless miter and vac?
Jimbo
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Yeah they would be nice?
Pictures of the new Bosch EneRacer GBA 18V 6.3 Ah battery pack that use 20700 cells instead of the usual 18650 cells, just like the Metabo LiHD battery packs.
Dimensions:
18650 cells: diameter 18 mm; length 65 mm.
20700 cells: diameter 20 mm; length 70 mm.
Tesla will also switch from 18650 cells to 20700 cells for the upcoming Model 3.
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Pic 1-6: https://www.bosch-professional.com/de/de/community/category/eneracer-die-neue-akkutechnologie/10603405-t
Pic 7-9: http://www.sg-toolbox.com/bosch-eneracer/
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PH1 wrote:
3 hours ago, PH1 said:
Tesla has not used 20700 cells for any of their cars (or power walls) yet.
Tesla Roadster, Model S and X all use standard size 18650 cells.
The cheaper Model 3 will however use 20700 cells when it goes into production.
Nitpicking aside this is what i meant yep 🙂
Isn’t this the battery with laser welding on the battery ends or something?
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Yeh !
KnarlyCarl wrote:
On 6/11/2016 at 11:04 AM, KnarlyCarl said:Isn’t this the battery with laser welding on the battery ends or something?
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I wouldn’t be surprised. Laser welding is the fastest, and lowest energy method but only works on some batteries.
Anyone know when the 3.1ah LiHD batteries will be available in OZ?