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The next gen Ram 1500, next gen Silverado 1500, revival of the Ford Ranger, and a few new F150 versions are in the works. They were unveiled this last week. What do you guys think. The Ram had a new kind of starter and a 12 in screen which were features that seemed to stand out to me. The Chevy had new liftgate system that not only was power open but power close too. The engines were the most interesting I thought. It had a diesel option and the v8 engines can have up to 7 cylinders deactivate which seems crazy. Not sure how a pickup truck could run on only one cylinder. The Ranger seemed kinda so-so. It was nice to get a new entry into the midsize market but with only one engine option it doesn’t seem as good. It had a decent look and I liked where the shifter was located but it didn’t have many standout features. There is a diesel f150 coming out which I didn’t see any videos of it from the show but Ford’s live stream mentioned a hybrid f150 which doesn’t seem too exciting at first but it sounded like it had a feature that allowed the truck to become a power source for if you have a power outage and need to power a tv or something.
here are a few videos of the vehicles.
What’s with Ford and Chevy and those tiny headlights? The Ranger would look really good with a couple inches taller headlight…and fixing the height of the doors/bed under the window line.
The trend is going thinner and wider headlights. With LED’s you don’t need as much space and can pretty much make em into any shape. The revamped Jeep Cherokee is one of the best examples. The lights in the front almost look like they forgot to add the main lights.
Guess the Frontier is the last pickup needing an update. Supposedly it is getting one soon but no official announcements yet. Supposedly the Toyota offerings might get new gens soon. They recently had a mid gen refresh but not a completely new gen.
Well I won’t be in the market, my 16 Tundra TRD SR5 Crewmax just flipped 10k. I wish I had those LED inserts but alas, my girl is still foxy and gray👍
Sorry, but my ’06 Sierra is going strong with only 245k on the odometer. I like renting a newer vehicle on occasion but the prices of trucks are ridiculous, not to even mention the anxiety that comes with every little nick and scratch put on a new vehicle. I’m better off planning to eventually replace my drivetrain than committing to another vehicle loan, though I plan to eventually pay cash for a newer truck (around 5 years old and under 150k).
That said, new trucks have a lot of bells and whistles that were unheard of when mine came off the assembly line in 2005. My ’06 SLT has everything except the rear tv screens and DVD player, being the top of the line GMC besides the Denali at the time. Our government owned 2015 Silverado is a basic work truck but has the LCD radio display, while higher trim levels have things that make mine seem archaic.
I have been waiting for the Ranger.
I wasn’t impressed with the Colorado/Canyon, especially considering the price.
I am a little bummed that Ford didn’t bring in the Turbo Diesel option that’s available outside of NA.
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The one engine/tranny option is a step in the right direction for the ranger. I would have preferred them to be a little more bare bones and low key get trucks. Instead they went full Tacoma on them which I really don’t like. Guys need to really get their act together and put at least a small steel area on the top of aluminum bodies so you can still magnet mount accessories. There’s nothing like having to open both doors and run a ratchet straps around your roof to keep a beacon on. About an XLT with vinyl floors is my trim level. Trucks are strangely jumping back and forth between being super ugly and solid looking between each year. The new powerstrokes are really solid. Takes a while for them to grow on you but they work well. Pulled pretty much anything under the sun when I had a 2017 at my old job. I don’t fit in the new Chevys. The interiors were designed either for smaller folks or people a lot less claustrophobic than me. New Dodges are new Dodges. Only look good with a welding bed or pulling livestock.
Love the high end trucks just sucks you can’t get a weekend warrior pickup anymore like the old school ranger or s10.
I won’t buy one but the diesel F150 is pretty interesting.
Stercorarius wrote:
On 1/17/2018 at 1:04 PM, Stercorarius said:The one engine/tranny option is a step in the right direction for the ranger. I would have preferred them to be a little more bare bones and low key get trucks. Instead they went full Tacoma on them which I really don’t like. Guys need to really get their act together and put at least a small steel area on the top of aluminum bodies so you can still magnet mount accessories. There’s nothing like having to open both doors and run a ratchet straps around your roof to keep a beacon on. About an XLT with vinyl floors is my trim level. Trucks are strangely jumping back and forth between being super ugly and solid looking between each year. The new powerstrokes are really solid. Takes a while for them to grow on you but they work well. Pulled pretty much anything under the sun when I had a 2017 at my old job. I don’t fit in the new Chevys. The interiors were designed either for smaller folks or people a lot less claustrophobic than me. New Dodges are new Dodges. Only look good with a welding bed or pulling livestock.
What’s your height/weight? Hard to imagine they’re not built for guys at least 6’3″ and 240. I’m 6’1″ 230, wide shoulders and long legs, I’ve never felt cramped in a modern truck, even back to the 90s.
For looks, the 90s GM pickups are probably my favorite (for practical trucks), followed by the 1st gen Ford Raptor. 50s trucks from pretty much everyone are the best looking trucks but they’re not practical or comfortable.
BMack37 wrote:
2 hours ago, BMack37 said:
What’s your height/weight? Hard to imagine they’re not built for guys at least 6’3″ and 240. I’m 6’1″ 230, wide shoulders and long legs, I’ve never felt cramped in a modern truck, even back to the 90s.
For looks, the 90s GM pickups are probably my favorite (for practical trucks), followed by the 1st gen Ford Raptor. 50s trucks from pretty much everyone are the best looking trucks but they’re not practical or comfortable.
Yeah I’m pretty similar sized to you around 6’2″ somewhere around 220 lbs. It’s hard to describe. Backseats on a crewcab high country were small enough with the seat forward that my boots couldn’t pit perpendicular to the seat. In the driver’s seat it’s like they pushed everything towards you to make you feel bigger but it’s just uncomfortable. Somehow hard to see because the windshield almost seemed small. Much preferred the powerstroke. Actually really like the new Ford XLT cabs. Not a fan of the higher end lariat cabs though. It might just be a case of me feeling out of place in high end cabs though.
Stercorarius wrote:
4 minutes ago, Stercorarius said:Yeah I’m pretty similar sized to you around 6’2″ somewhere around 220 lbs. It’s hard to describe. Backseats on a crewcab high country were small enough with the seat forward that my boots couldn’t pit perpendicular to the seat. In the driver’s seat it’s like they pushed everything towards you to make you feel bigger but it’s just uncomfortable. Somehow hard to see because the windshield almost seemed small. Much preferred the powerstroke. Actually really like the new Ford XLT cabs. Not a fan of the higher end lariat cabs though. It might just be a case of me feeling out of place in high end cabs though.
I always have trouble in back seats because I wear size 13 shoes.
Interesting, definitely doesn’t sound comfortable. I hate most cars coming out now, visibility is terrible because the A pillars are always huge.
BMack37 wrote:
24 minutes ago, BMack37 said:
I always have trouble in back seats because I wear size 13 shoes.
Interesting, definitely doesn’t sound comfortable. I hate most cars coming out now, visibility is terrible because the A pillars are always huge.
Yeah it also definitely has to do with preference too. I know a lot of truckers who air their seats down to the floor so they can see bare minimum and feel like a badass. I always air my seat up as high as my feet will still reach because I prefer better visibility. The chevy felt like it was designed for guys who put their seat to the floor.
Stercorarius wrote:
8 hours ago, Stercorarius said:Yeah it also definitely has to do with preference too. I know a lot of truckers who air their seats down to the floor so they can see bare minimum and feel like a badass. I always air my seat up as high as my feet will still reach because I prefer better visibility. The chevy felt like it was designed for guys who put their seat to the floor.
Yeah, that’s dumb. I like my eyeline being at about the 3/4 line on the windshield, it gives you a better view of the road AND your own vehicle which is important when parking. I rarely (like once or twice a year) have to stop and reposition when pulling into a spot, been that way since I started driving…first with a full sized pickup and now with a SUV. I HATE not just pulling into a spot, I’m the most impatient parker, I just want to park and get on with my day.
A lot of new cars sit you lower, like you described, and you can’t see where the hood ends to estimate where your bumper is, all you see is the curvature of the hood.
The Ranger will likely be my next truck but not until Ford offers it in a “crew” (the interior of which is maybe the size of extended cab Silverado) with a 6’ bed instead of 5’. I’ve seen a few of the new Rams in the wild…they’ll need a few years to grow on me, especially after a decade of the only nice body style Ram has ever made.
The new Chevy is the nicest they’ve made since the 88-99 style that is such a classic. It looks like a Tundra got knocked up by an F150, but the kid turned out alright lol.
The new Sierra, on the other hand, looks like a rolling disaster and that new tailgate is about the stupidest contraption I’ve seen on a truck, and that’s coming from a guy with a V8 that shuts off cylinders and drinks oil lol.
Ideally though my Silverado will last until the Ranger gets a midcycle enhancement or a new F-150 comes out.
I’ve seen the new Rams on the road too, the grill looks much more fu manchu than it did in the video. I’m thinking next year I’ll be going for a ’16 or newer Tundra, seems like easily the best option…unless I consider diesel, then it throws a wrench into the works.
The new Ram had a friend of mine who isn’t a huge truck guy ask “what the hell sort of design Ram was going for with that front end” lol.
Tundra is a great option for Made in America fans, but it and the Tacoma are I need of a refresh imo. My neighbour has a fairly new Tacoma and it can haul about 2/3rds of what a Colorado/Canyon can. Some beef on the suspension would do it some good.
Bremon wrote:
Just now, Bremon said:The new Ram had a friend of mine who isn’t a huge truck guy ask “what the hell sort of design Ram was going for with that front end” lol.
Tundra is a great option for Made in America fans, but it and the Tacoma are I need of a refresh imo. My neighbour has a fairly new Tacoma and it can haul about 2/3rds of what a Colorado/Canyon can. Some beef on the suspension would do it some good.
I’d love that because then the market on the current gen Tundras would go down! I really don’t need a lot of hauling capability, if anything I could upgrade with aftermarket parts but I doubt I’d ever carry more than a few hundred pounds in the bed or ever hail a full-sized enclosed trailer. I’d probably be fine with the Tacoma but I like a little more cabin room because I’d prefer to haul my tool bags in the cab. I’m even thinking I might pull out the driver-side rear seat and build storage cabinet.
That sounds pretty nice! I’m hoping Ranger has class leading payload; if it does it will haul as much as my Silverado does in the box in a slightly shorter, slightly narrower truck that’s hopefully significantly better on gas lol.
I like the new half tons but they are just getting too big for my purposes. The new Silverado is 4” longer.
I know it’s not a pick up and I am not a Ford guy but the Bronco looks to be pretty sweet. Supposedly it’s built on the still produced Ranger chassis? I can tell you first ha d the my sister in law traded her 96 Ranger for a goat, I kid you not. That truck was still running like a top after 300k. Crazy reliable truck when I cannot I under emphasis how poorly she treated that thing.
Lol yeah the new bronco I think is an updated version of the T6 global Ranger chassis, while the NA Ranger uses the existing T6 platform. Don’t quote me but I’m pretty sure that’s the case. I’m hoping the Ranger will get the 2.7 as an option down the road, and a second wheelbase. The Super crew/short bed combo with a 2.3 doesn’t quite check the boxes for me, but I do like the look of the truck.
Bremon wrote:
5 hours ago, Bremon said:That sounds pretty nice! I’m hoping Ranger has class leading payload; if it does it will haul as much as my Silverado does in the box in a slightly shorter, slightly narrower truck that’s hopefully significantly better on gas lol.
I like the new half tons but they are just getting too big for my purposes. The new Silverado is 4” longer.
Definitely. I liked my ’96 T100, perfect size, bed was over 6′, extended cab was nice but not too useable. The waist line on trucks is soo high now, the windows look small and the doors are massive. I’d like to be able to fit a sheet of ply flat(with tailgate down, no overhang past) but that makes for a reallly long truck and parking spaces seem to be getting narrower and shorter.
That’s my dilemma now lol; my extended cab will do 8’ sheet goods in the box with tailgate down no problem. A Ranger or Colorado would be a nicer city truck but I’d need to use some dunnage in the box to haul sheets and would still overhang. Colorado not as much, the Ranger would be fairly atrocious lol.
Bremon wrote:
5 hours ago, Bremon said:That’s my dilemma now lol; my extended cab will do 8’ sheet goods in the box with tailgate down no problem. A Ranger or Colorado would be a nicer city truck but I’d need to use some dunnage in the box to haul sheets and would still overhang. Colorado not as much, the Ranger would be fairly atrocious lol.
I’m mostly city driving which sucks…what’s worse is that several places I drive are older which means small lanes, it can be really tight trying to take a right hander with a turn lane in some of those areas. Ironically, in the actual city, downtown, the lanes are plenty wide.
Same here; lots of city driving where a slightly shorter and narrower wheelbase would be ideal. Ford doesn’t want to give me what I want yet though and I don’t want that V6 the Colorado has. My dollars will be waiting until either company changes things up to my liking lol.
Bremon wrote:
13 hours ago, Bremon said:Same here; lots of city driving where a slightly shorter and narrower wheelbase would be ideal. Ford doesn’t want to give me what I want yet though and I don’t want that V6 the Colorado has. My dollars will be waiting until either company changes things up to my liking lol.
You’re surely more informed than I am about trucks. I drive a lot of interstate miles then end up in cities as described above…do you think I should consider diesel a bit more? I don’t think I’ll ever really need to tow. I’ve always been turned off by diesel but the 5-6 MPG seems like it would add up fast, my area covers about 100 miles in every direction. Who’s putting out the best diesel options that aren’t massive and are available in 2WD?
I honestly don’t think a diesel is worth it outside of a 3/4 ton or 1-ton. The little GM twins have a diesel option now but it’s pricy. The halfton segment has diesels everywhere all of a sudden, but the Ram ecodiesel is a bit of a joke, and I believe they’re debating killing it off. Outside of pickup truck enthusiast forums I don’t think the market for diesel is all that big.
The F150 has an upcoming diesel and the Silverado and Sierra have a diesel option as well in the upcoming model year. 3.0L in-line 6’s seem like they’re all the rage. The F150 powerstroke jr. seems like it’s catching a wave that’s already crested. The Ranger could get a baby powerstroke but from impressions I’ve read Aussies are pissed off that the global Ranger Raptor comes with a diesel because it’s an unimpressive mill.
I’d wait and see what the diesels in the F150 and GM 1500s are like, and outside of the baby GMs I’d stay away from what’s already on the market.
I was very interested in a baby duramax Colorado but I’ve written diesel off completely. The engine is more expensive, maintenance is more expensive, they don’t like winter as much as gas, and urea/DPF sucks big time. Top it off with diesel costing more than gas here the majority of the time and the date of maturity for your return on investment is just way too long of a wait. Turbo gas engines honestly seem where it’s at. I’ve always loved a V8, but I know so many people with Ecoboost F150 that that’s likely both what I’d recommend and probably what I’ll buy. Fuel economy is awesome if you don’t step on it too hard and the power is there if you need it. 2.7 F150 would probably be perfect for your purposes. I’m hoping the 2.7 makes it into the Ranger one day.
In the meantime I’ll replace the shocks, struts and brakes on my 2010 lol.
The little Ford turbo diesels are pretty awesome. I was also hoping they would come to NA with the ranger. I was so worried they were going to screw up the ranger!
I love the eco boost, but there is a place for a diesel.
“The 2.2L TDCi Duratorq generates an impressive 160 PS and 385 Nm of torque. Available in 6-speed manual and automatic transmissions (Selected models only).
Need even more power? Then take the 3.2L TDCi Duratorq diesel option, with 200PS and 470 Nm of torque at your command.
Impressive fuel economy and low emissions are delivered from 43.5 mpg (6.5L/100m) and 171 g/km CO2 emissions (160PS 4×4 with 6-speed manual and 3.15 FDR).”
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Are we getting any manual diesels in North America? Ford hasn’t ruled the diesel mill out for the NA Ranger, but hasn’t confirmed anything. Manual pickups haven’t been common in pickups for years.
I don’t find the numbers coming out of them that impressive. They’re big, but like I said, the upcharge on them is enough that the fuel economy savings are a long way out.
The 3.0 Powerstroke looks reasonable but it’s only advantage over the eco boost seems to be fuel economy. Possibly engine life, but we won’t know that for a decade-plus lol. The F150 Powerstroke is a $6300 CAD uptick over the 3.5 Ecoboost, which is $650 more than the 5.0, which is already a $1525 premium over the base 2.7 Ecoboost. A $2300 box to tick for a premium engine is significant, but I would do it. An $8600 engine option? That’s absolutely stupid, and you might as well buy a Powerstroke Super Duty at that point. My opinion of course, but you really get a lot more truck on the same wheelbase with a Super Crew 6.5 box than the same F150.
The price premium in a Colorado/Canyon for the baby Duramax is $5755 CAD over the 3.6 V6. That’s just insane to me. I don’t have anything against diesels; they are fun to drive. I’ve spent the better part of a decade driving diesel work trucks. I know how much ridiculous torque they have, and how much fun they can be. My issue solely stems from the rationale that for an individual, the power numbers can be found elsewhere, and the fuel economy is not going to be advantageous enough to overcome the increased cost of ownership over the timespan that most people own a vehicle. The fuel economy can be quite impressive, but DEF isn’t free either lol.
Napkin math tells me with diesel cost on F150 (using historical real world mileage on the Ecodiesel, because that’s the only one with a paper trail so far) breaks even at about 250,000 km, but at that point you’ll also have spent about 980 dollars on DEF. So push that mileage figure out some more. That’s also basing the cost of gas and diesel at the same price, and it’s been a long time since diesel has been consistently cheaper than gas here. If you’re like my dad and drive a pickup 580,000 km in 10 years I’m sure diesel makes sense. I drive more than most people I spend time with, and my ‘10 has 265,000 km on it and I don’t think I’d have broke even yet. Half ton diesel I’m not convinced. HDs; absolutely. Gas mileage on the work truck 3/4 ton I had would bankrupt some people lol.
I’m interested in doing some napkin math on the Colorado/Canyon. I feel like the little trucks might have a case to make since the NA V6 is not great by any means and the premium for the baby Duramax is smaller. Give me some time and I’ll get to it later today.
Thanks guys! All three of those responses were great! Seems like I’ve been in the right, I just see soo much circle jerking on diesel trucks since they’re all the rage from the UFC, gym mirror selfie crowd that I’ve “luckily” enough to meet through friends of friends and ended up on my FB. Down here I don’t have to deal with the cold start thing so it seemed worth a consideration. I’m super glad that you have backed me off of that! So I’m back where I want to be, at my Tundra current gen. To me it just seems to be overall the best buy…though there are SOOO many Fords available used, seems like the Ford crowd upgrades every year to the next model. It’s probably the best looking truck but they’re all looking pretty good right now. I’m thinking another 10-12 months before my full financial recovery barring any returning health issues, so that gives me plenty of time to watch trends and research.
Yeah, diesel is absolutely the Internet darling of pickup truck forums but I’m convinced it’s just the usual elitism you find in many communities over many products. Does Festool have a place in your shop? Absolutely; in specific cases. Is it the be all, end all? No. Diesel pickups are much the same.
The Tundra is a nice truck. Toyota doesn’t put as much love into it as they ought to, in my opinion, but it’s pretty sharp looking and quite capable. The Taco is a handsome truck but isn’t nearly as beefy as the competition.
Tundras retain value quite well too, so if you’re the type to keep something 4-6 years, you’re golden. If you keep it a decade or more GM has real longevity imo.
Bremon wrote:
4 hours ago, Bremon said:Yeah, diesel is absolutely the Internet darling of pickup truck forums but I’m convinced it’s just the usual elitism you find in many communities over many products. Does Festool have a place in your shop? Absolutely; in specific cases. Is it the be all, end all? No. Diesel pickups are much the same.
The Tundra is a nice truck. Toyota doesn’t put as much love into it as they ought to, in my opinion, but it’s pretty sharp looking and quite capable. The Taco is a handsome truck but isn’t nearly as beefy as the competition.
Tundras retain value quite well too, so if you’re the type to keep something 4-6 years, you’re golden. If you keep it a decade or more GM has real longevity imo.
I’m not sure about how long I will keep it, I’ve only had two vehicles my whole life but circumstances have changed a lot over those times. I want a vehicle that I can keep for 4 years and sell or keep for 20, that’s always been a Toyota for me. I’ve always considered Chevys to be more reliable than Ford but it seems like Ford is building the best quality vehicles they’ve ever built.
I definitely wouldn’t mind the Chevy/Ford aftermarket but Toyota’s aftermarket has come a long way since the early 00’s, my T100 had very little aftermarket options. I’d probably do simple upgrades, nothing suspension but maybe exhaust, tonneau cover, bed liner and maybe a wheel well tool box…but much like wanting the option to resell for little loss in a few years or keep for over a decade, I like options. The only things that tended to wear out on the Toyotas were the blower motor and they eat through batteries, about every 1-1.5 years.
@HiltiWpg what pickup truck gets 43.5 mpg? That sounds amazing. Thats more than my car gets.
On another note I have heard the new Fords are very inefficient. Supposedly when they are stopped the engine will stop. Then more fuel is used because of more engine restarts.
Jronman wrote:
[mention=51679]HiltiWpg[/mention] what pickup truck gets 43.5 mpg? That sounds amazing. Thats more than my car gets.
On another note I have heard the new Fords are very inefficient. Supposedly when they are stopped the engine will stop. Then more fuel is used because of more engine restarts.
That was the ranger turbo diesel option.
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Just bought this beast a few months back, so I’m not in the market for a long time:
Here’s my take on the diesel argument.
The Bad: $10,000 is a hefty option.
The additional maintenance cost is real, but overstated. $89 oil change plus $20 in Diesel Exhaust Fluid every oil change. $80 for fuel filters every other oil change, so you’re looking at probably 3x’s the cost of per oil change. To maintain proper load capacity you’ll need Load Range E tires. Those aren’t cheap either, but you can find them that aren’t insane. Diesel is more than gas, but you’ll get better mileage out of the diesel versus an equivalent gas truck, so it’s pretty much a wash. Repairs can be insane if it’s certain things. Reading online will make you walk away feeling like every diesel out there is a ticking time bomb, but in reality (outside of the 6.4 Ford nightmare) the catastrophic failures are few and far between and most trucks I see with crazy expensive proplems are user created either by poor maintenance or tuner mods.
The Good: I haul a lot of shit including a 28’ camper (+/- 9500 lbs.) and was constantly stretching the limits of my 1500 Rams, which doesn’t bode well for longevity. I was having to be careful about packing lite, emptying tanks, etc, now I could pull it if it were filled with lead. I traded off several trucks I still loved because of high miles. By the time I had one close to paid off I was pushing 200k and it had to go. With a diesel that “ get out from under it before it dies” mileage is at least double. Dad has a 2017 F-250 with the 6.2 gas motor. Good motor, pulls the camper just fine, but does so @ 7-8 mpg. With the 6.7 Diesel I can pull to Myrtle Beach getting 10 or so through the mountains and 12-13 through the Carolinas all while never dropping below 65 mph and not really trying to take it easy. On flat or mildly hilly terrain I could literally forget it’s back there. There’s a lot of difference in pulling a big load 50-100 miles and pulling one 800-1000 miles.
If if you pull loads approaching 10,000+ with any regularity over any real distance and/or you put a lot of miles on your truck, a diesel it’s absolutely worth the extra investment. Otherwise, you’re paying a lot more for capabilities you don’t really need.
Whoa. Nice truck Travis.
ChrisK wrote:
3 hours ago, ChrisK said:Whoa. Nice truck Travis.
Thanks Chris. This is my second Super Duty. The first one was a 7.3 regular cab and was a casualty of a growing family. If it had been a crew or xtra cab I would have driven it until the wheels fell off.
The Silverado looks great but I’m a little concerned about its 3.0 L engine.
2020 Toyota Tacoma gets updates:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/tacoma/2020/2020-toyota-tacoma-first-look-popular-truck-gets-update/
- Revised looks.
- Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and Amazon Alexa climb on board.
- A new monitoring system checks underneath the truck.
Conductor562 wrote:
On 7/14/2018 at 1:11 AM, Conductor562 said:Just bought this beast a few months back, so I’m not in the market for a long time:
Here’s my take on the diesel argument.
The Bad: $10,000 is a hefty option.
The additional maintenance cost is real, but overstated. $89 oil change plus $20 in Diesel Exhaust Fluid every oil change. $80 for fuel filters every other oil change, so you’re looking at probably 3x’s the cost of per oil change. To maintain proper load capacity you’ll need Load Range E tires. Those aren’t cheap either, but you can find them that aren’t insane. Diesel is more than gas, but you’ll get better mileage out of the diesel versus an equivalent gas truck, so it’s pretty much a wash. Repairs can be insane if it’s certain things. Reading online will make you walk away feeling like every diesel out there is a ticking time bomb, but in reality (outside of the 6.4 Ford nightmare) the catastrophic failures are few and far between and most trucks I see with crazy expensive proplems are user created either by poor maintenance or tuner mods.
The Good: I haul a lot of shit including a 28’ camper (+/- 9500 lbs.) and was constantly stretching the limits of my 1500 Rams, which doesn’t bode well for longevity. I was having to be careful about packing lite, emptying tanks, etc, now I could pull it if it were filled with lead. I traded off several trucks I still loved because of high miles. By the time I had one close to paid off I was pushing 200k and it had to go. With a diesel that “ get out from under it before it dies” mileage is at least double. Dad has a 2017 F-250 with the 6.2 gas motor. Good motor, pulls the camper just fine, but does so @ 7-8 mpg. With the 6.7 Diesel I can pull to Myrtle Beach getting 10 or so through the mountains and 12-13 through the Carolinas all while never dropping below 65 mph and not really trying to take it easy. On flat or mildly hilly terrain I could literally forget it’s back there. There’s a lot of difference in pulling a big load 50-100 miles and pulling one 800-1000 miles.
If if you pull loads approaching 10,000+ with any regularity over any real distance and/or you put a lot of miles on your truck, a diesel it’s absolutely worth the extra investment. Otherwise, you’re paying a lot more for capabilities you don’t really need.
Nice truck!
You should get some rv wheel covers for those trucks as the wheels are really expensive.