New Makita LS1019 10″ slide saw

I was about to invest in a new mitre saw and this was my choice but it seems there is an issue I think should be made aware for others. It was pointed out on instagram and it seems others, as they are purchasing this saw, are noticing this out of the box. The detent stops have a little play, ever so slightly and it’s more noticeable at 0. 

Every Makita mitre saw I have used has that issue. The detents are just a quick find, you should then lock it in place before cutting. Once you do your initial set up and get your zero set to the orange arrow the rest will line up. Not a big deal like toolaholic is making out.

Tool Lover 69 wrote:

Every Makita mitre saw I have used has that issue. The detents are just a quick find, you should then lock it in place before cutting. Once you do your initial set up and get your zero set to the orange arrow the rest will line up. Not a big deal like toolaholic is making out.

Even if it’s not a big deal, if other saws have a better, nicer lock, it will still make people second guess

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KnarlyCarl wrote:

2 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:

Even if it’s not a big deal, if other saws have a better, nicer lock, it will still make people second guess

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I saw this video on IG too. I am with @KnarlyCarl on this. While I don’t think it is the biggest of deals, I do think that other saws don’t have this issue, so that could be a negative to buying Makita. I have the 1016, which for me does not have this issue, however.

What bothers me… He’s been using that saw for 2 weeks. Not a single problem. So it’s not a ‘ problem’ you notice in real life.

Then someone points something out and all of a sudden ‘ I can’t find the 90 degrees. Where’s my 90 degrees colder

And EVERY saw, even the mighty kapex, has a millimeter or more  play from left to right  when the sawhead is extended fully. 

So some Saws need Abit of calibration of the detent plate

Unless you have only just started in the world of tools, you will remember that not that long ago mitre saws never even had indents, you just lined up the arrow with the degree line, which you still need to do with the detent on this saw, no big deal. Would this put you off buying the saw? Maybe if everything else about it was identical to another model, but that won’t happen. “I love the left/right bevel, the side rail system, the bluetooth, the dual dust collection system, the cut capacity, front bevel control, being able to put it up against a wall, but I am not buying it because I have to line up an arrow to a line by half a mm to make a cut” Really?

Hopefully the cordless one will be out soon.

Tool Lover 69 wrote:

6 hours ago, Tool Lover 69 said:

Unless you have only just started in the world of tools, you will remember that not that long ago mitre saws never even had indents, you just lined up the arrow with the degree line, which you still need to do with the detent on this saw, no big deal. Would this put you off buying the saw? Maybe if everything else about it was identical to another model, but that won’t happen. “I love the left/right bevel, the side rail system, the bluetooth, the dual dust collection system, the cut capacity, front bevel control, being able to put it up against a wall, but I am not buying it because I have to line up an arrow to a line by half a mm to make a cut” Really?

Don’t misunderstand me, it’s a great saw and even with the detent issue, it’s still one of the better saws. When you compare to other saws of this calibre, they don’t have the same problem and that”s something that Makita should fix. As a customer I shouldn’t have to bring a product home and then re adjust parts to make things work.

The sloppiness at 0 degrees isn’t that bad but it can be frustrating to try and get as perfect to 90 cut as possible.

Glad to know there’s a fix for it now.

Trident167 wrote:

9 hours ago, Trident167 said:

Don’t misunderstand me, it’s a great saw and even with the detent issue, it’s still one of the better saws. When you compare to other saws of this calibre, they don’t have the same problem and that”s something that Makita should fix. As a customer I shouldn’t have to bring a product home and then re adjust parts to make things work.

The sloppiness at 0 degrees isn’t that bad but it can be frustrating to try and get as perfect to 90 cut as possible.

Glad to know there’s a fix for it now.

Sorry but you are wrong. With EVERY mitre saw you have to do a calibration check when you buy em new. There isn’t a single saw that Always comes 100% calibrated out of the box except for maybe the kapex. 

You can get lucky and get a nicely calibrated one but in transport these things get banged around on the truck and there’s a big chance some calibration will be off Abit. That’s why all decent saws have adjustable end stops/detents/etc…

This is not an issue. This is taking 10 minutes of your time to dial in a € 500 dollar investment so it can serve you for years

That’s worse than the first problem he found. 

Its a blue Makita saw, of course its awful. The older Japanese Makitas were/still a re great saws. Anything with a blue guard that I’ve used are terrible.

So I just bought this saw I’m on second saw with the same problem when I lay it over to do a bevel cut it won’t cut square can any one help please? I really like this saw but not cutting square makes it pretty much useless!! Thanks Craig

Craig13 wrote:

4 hours ago, Craig13 said:

So I just bought this saw I’m on second saw with the same problem when I lay it over to do a bevel cut it won’t cut square can any one help please? I really like this saw but not cutting square makes it pretty much useless!! Thanks Craig

YouTube has tens of videos how to square up the saw. 

As much Makita as I have and I have had mitre saws from Makita in the past, I wouldn’t buy one now. They just don’t scream accuracy at me and now it seems it’s becoming plain to see. 

Mitre saws always need tweaking from time to time to keep everything straight and true, and you should always check all these things and set them up right with any tool when you first get them.

Tools & Stuff wrote:

58 minutes ago, Tools & Stuff said:

Mitre saws always need tweaking from time to time to keep everything straight and true, and you should always check all these things and set them up right with any tool when you first get them.

I don’t think any amount of setting up is going to fix that. 

SchenzhenSpecial wrote:

On 11/2/2017 at 9:30 AM, SchenzhenSpecial said:

As much Makita as I have and I have had mitre saws from Makita in the past, I wouldn’t buy one now. They just don’t scream accuracy at me and now it seems it’s becoming plain to see. 

Couldn’t give you a percentage of course but imma guess 90 of 100 come square out of the box and off the remaining 10  it’s 8 then just need to be adjusted ( which you pretty much should do for every saw )

kornomaniac wrote:

18 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:

Couldn’t give you a percentage of course but imma guess 90 of 100 come square out of the box and off the remaining 10  it’s 8 then just need to be adjusted ( which you pretty much should do for every saw )

You wouldn’t happen to be a little biased would you 😜

Seriously though, I doubt that every machine coming from team teal is crap outta alignment, I wouldn’t mind having this saw. But…..the Kapex is oooookaaaaayyyy so…..

ChrisK wrote:

1 hour ago, ChrisK said:

You wouldn’t happen to be a little biased would you 😜

I am. 

But only people with negative experiences call it out on Facebook/Instagram/forums. People who get a normal one don’t make posts about it.  And people are not too rational about it.

There’s already thousands of these saws sold. And while there have been a few with bend bars ( like the wood whisperers in Instagram ) that’s a production error. That happens and that’s what u have warranty for. But 9 out of 10 people complaining there saW is faulty haven’t even tried to square it up. 

Because it’s easier to make a fuss on social media that your tool is broken, then to take 30 minutes of your time to square the saw up.

kornomaniac wrote:

2 hours ago, kornomaniac said:

I am. 

 

But only people with negative experiences call it out on Facebook/Instagram/forums. People who get a normal one don’t make posts about it.  And people are not too rational about it.

 

There’s already thousands of these saws sold. And while there have been a few with bend bars ( like the wood whisperers in Instagram ) that’s a production error. That happens and that’s what u have warranty for. But 9 out of 10 people complaining there saW is faulty haven’t even tried to square it up. 

 

Because it’s easier to make a fuss on social media that your tool is broken, then to take 30 minutes of your time to square the saw up.

Sorry dude. I was kidding. Hence the winking happy face 🤘

ChrisK wrote:

3 hours ago, ChrisK said:

Sorry dude. I was kidding. Hence the winking happy face 🤘

Well you were absolutely right of course @ChrisK:D  

But there is a reasoning behind my thinking is all I meant 🙂

Sorry of it came over angry ! Wasn’t meant to 😡

In the festool forum there is a thread about the ls1019l blade not being parallel to the slide bars. It takes 5 minutes to fix. Check it out.  I doubt the bars are bent but slightly twisted. The thread is in the other tools topic. 

You have a link to that forum ? It’s not the Festool page on this forum right ?

On the fog site. Under other tools. I am not good at internet stuff.  Seriously it takes 5 minutes to fix. 

I believe this is the info from the FOG site Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=11638&share_tid=53408&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffestoolownersgroup%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D53408&share_type=t


Mike

Beat me to it. Starts at reply #26.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/makita-ls1019l-miter-saw-mini-review/

They have this at my. HD now, I just messed around with the display, totally square and the miters are tight on the plate.

My store model was also square from the box and the few I have sold, customers haven’t complaint yet.

Perhaps some bad batches from initial production runs

Hammer7896 wrote:

8 hours ago, Hammer7896 said:

I believe this is the info from the FOG site Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=11638&share_tid=53408&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffestoolownersgroup%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D53408&share_type=t


Mike

Thank you alot !

kornomaniac wrote:

Thank you alot !

kornomaniac wrote:

On 2017-11-03 at 6:01 PM, kornomaniac said:

I am. 

 

But only people with negative experiences call it out on Facebook/Instagram/forums. People who get a normal one don’t make posts about it.  And people are not too rational about it.

 

There’s already thousands of these saws sold. And while there have been a few with bend bars ( like the wood whisperers in Instagram ) that’s a production error. That happens and that’s what u have warranty for. But 9 out of 10 people complaining there saW is faulty haven’t even tried to square it up. 

 

Because it’s easier to make a fuss on social media that your tool is broken, then to take 30 minutes of your time to square the saw up.

I squared up both saws and both were square but didn’t work, it would cut square on the 90 but like I said when I lay it over and do a bevel cut it’s no good! So I got a LS1216 shipped to me today and guess what same deal!! I’m a finishing carpenter so this is rubbish I’m starting to wonder if the standard 60T makita blade is deflecting 

Well mine cuts perfect. Make sure the blade is parallel to the slide bars. It is fixable if the blade is not, i my opinion. 

This is the explanation from Marc. Interesting issue, old topic but at 6:00 minutes he goes into really great detail.

The saw we bought in january had zero play in the detentes. I never once used the lock down. One of the submorons on our job used the saw and kept cranking the lockdown so tight that he damaged the entire unit, however. Now the plate doesn’t rotate freely.

I have an older 10 inch Makita and a DWS 780 and we used this saw. In 25 years I have never had to lock down a detente.

Hi all,

resurrecting an old topic, but I’m in the market for a miter saw and was wondering if people are still having issues with the LS1019? It looks like the slide/blade parallel issues can be adjusted away and maybe the detent issue isn’t really an issue, but it would be nice if these have been addressed by Makita in newer production runs? What about the X2 cordless version? Seems like there were fewer quality control issues, but how does it compare in performance? Are they essentially the same saw? The cordless could be nice since my shop is currently non-existent and I have to work in the driveway or my 100 year old, unwired, barn. I’m already heavily invested in Makita cordless so that isn’t an issue.

Anybody with an update on their experiences or thoughts about either of these saws?

Jjwillac wrote:

On 12/20/2018 at 10:57 PM, Jjwillac said:

Anybody with an update on their experiences or thoughts about either of these saws?

I dont know about these ones with bigger blades, but my LS0815FL is perfectly square, and the detents have no play. I dont see any need for a bigger bladed saw with the long rails on this one.

Jjwillac wrote:

On 12/17/2018 at 11:32 PM, Jjwillac said:

Hi all,

 

resurrecting an old topic, but I’m in the market for a miter saw and was wondering if people are still having issues with the LS1019? It looks like the slide/blade parallel issues can be adjusted away and maybe the detent issue isn’t really an issue, but it would be nice if these have been addressed by Makita in newer production runs? What about the X2 cordless version? Seems like there were fewer quality control issues, but how does it compare in performance? Are they essentially the same saw? The cordless could be nice since my shop is currently non-existent and I have to work in the driveway or my 100 year old, unwired, barn. I’m already heavily invested in Makita cordless so that isn’t an issue.

I’d stay away from the makita saws and I’m heavily invested in their 18v platform but they’ve really missed the boat with these saws. The detent plates are made of some soft metal like aluminum so after a few days of changing angles the detent will get bigger and add more slop. Makita haven’t done anything to fix this issue. The rail drift issue is frustrating and the saw I used I couldn’t loosen the set screws on the rails to try and tweak it so the saw was left the way it was. The table rotates smoothly for a a while until it’s so hard to move that you need to hold the saw down with one hand while turning with the other, the fix to that is to loosen a bolt right in the center of the table but too loose and the whole table wobbles. We’ve been using a Dewalt DWS780 for about 5 years now and it’s still accurate with no slop in the detents, they use stainless steel for theirs. The 12″ flexvolt would be just as good 

There are like 5 of these makitas on my site. Yes all had the rails misaligned but all where easy to adjust no problems with the set screws being too tight. More likely your detente plate is too far forward than worn out. Guess what, the dewalt plate is stainless but the pin that drops int it is….. you guessed Aluminium. 

I don’t think something that requires tweaking, adjustment or calibration from the box should put you off your purchase. Unless you’re paying an absolute premium, and I mean premium for an item then you shouldn’t really worry or, unless the problem is bad like the dewalt chainsaw throwing the chain for many people due to a weak tensioning mechanism where there is no easy fix.

The other thing that gets to me are when people like Matthias Wandel beat up the flexvolt table saw for small things, expecting perfection from a cheap jobsite table saw. Note, jobsite. 0.5mm off isn’t going to affect your framework, the timber will vary in size and shape naturally at times. Unless you’re making picture frames, or extremely high end goods, I don’t think you should worry too much about perfection to the thou’. Ave does the same, I like Ave, but he bagged the multitool when clearly he doesn’t use one and know it can do what other tools can’t with ease, it sands very quickly with the right pads and he says it won’t do fuck all by the way it moves. Also it appears that he thought spring washers are there to make it harder to undo a bolt which confused me as I assumed that in his line of work you would know the purpose of a spring washer?

There are people who have been using tools he bags and says will break, fall apart etc for many years with no issues. It’s best to get advice from real world users with a lot of things and not people who do tool reviews only, especially biased reviewers which there are many out there. Ultimately, you will be the best judge of tool for your application, reviews etc just help narrow down your decisions. 

You really need to have a word with yourself if you’re expecting a tool to be transported across the globe and still be accurate.

Thanks all.  I ended up getting a xsl06 kit and the local dealer through in an extra 2pk 5.0 batteries (4 total, a Makita promotion), a 6.0 battery, and a 80t Makita micropolish blade all for about $30 more than the big box store was selling the kit alone.  To top it all off, my saw’s rails were parallel with the blade out of the box, thought I did need to square the blade (as I’d expect to).

I mounted it to a Rigid mobile stand and it’s a pretty sweet setup. Now I need to think up some projects to justify it to my wife…

glass wrote:

On 1/3/2019 at 9:04 PM, glass said:

There are like 5 of these makitas on my site. Yes all had the rails misaligned but all where easy to adjust no problems with the set screws being too tight. More likely your detente plate is too far forward than worn out. Guess what, the dewalt plate is stainless but the pin that drops int it is….. you guessed Aluminium. 

Wow that sucks.  

This saw is at least 6 months old. Gets everyday all day by a crew.  Absolutely no play in detected. You either got a lemon or someone used the saw very roughly.  I will say that in models past I find the Makita to be finish saws and the Dewalt saws are more rough and tumble.