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So I now have the birch plywood I need along with 3 chunks of maple for the trim so will start cutting tonight.
I have been purchasing some really nice woodworking hand tools like planes, saws, marking gauges, etc and needed a place for them. Also not happy with my current clamp storage setup (as I mentioned in another thread), so going to redo that at the same time. This will allow me to add more clamps and remove and replace them with much greater ease. I am going to build storage slots for my miter saw extensions for easier access. Right now they are behind the tool box top and I have to snake them back and forth in a certain sequence to get them out 🙁
Sketchup drawings showing you a rendering of what is going to be built. Should not take long to do except for the dovetail drawers below the planes.
looks good. i have mine hanging from pegboard and going outward.
You know you will get in trouble for not posting pics ! Directly on the pegboard or brackets on the pegboard that the clamps sit on?
rrmccabe wrote:
You know you will get in trouble for not posting pics ! Directly on the pegboard or brackets on the pegboard that the clamps sit on?
You can see them in the background above the drill press. They are just on a bracket that comes out and the clamps slide on. I built a clamp rack from fixthisbuildthat.com for my parallel and pipe clamps last month.
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Yea I remember the clamp rack but was not following how you had clamps on the pegboard.
I dont have any F clamps that small that would hang on Pegboard.
With Pony and Jorgensen going under I need to stock up on the Jorgensen F clamps if I see them going cheap. I bought some more 24″ for about $15.00 each from Ace Hardware and just waiting for them to arrive. Would like to have a dozen 6″ F clamps.
rrmccabe wrote:
5 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:Yea I remember the clamp rack but was not following how you had clamps on the pegboard.
I dont have any F clamps that small that would hang on Pegboard.
With Pony and Jorgensen going under I need to stock up on the Jorgensen F clamps if I see them going cheap. I bought some more 24″ for about $15.00 each from Ace Hardware and just waiting for them to arrive. Would like to have a dozen 6″ F clamps.
some home depots still have them and are clearancing them out as well.
My local Home Depots do not as I checked.
Ace Hardware will bring them in out of their warehouse while stock is available for no shipping cost.
The 6″ cost as much as the 24s though.
rrmccabe wrote:
50 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:The 6″ cost as much as the 24s though.
Crap, I lied.
Ace Hardware can get them for $8.50. I have six bare spots in my clamp rack so I ordered six of the 6″ ones.
rrmccabe wrote:
15 hours ago, rrmccabe said:Yea I remember the clamp rack but was not following how you had clamps on the pegboard.
I dont have any F clamps that small that would hang on Pegboard.
With Pony and Jorgensen going under I need to stock up on the Jorgensen F clamps if I see them going cheap. I bought some more 24″ for about $15.00 each from Ace Hardware and just waiting for them to arrive. Would like to have a dozen 6″ F clamps.
I saw that Jorgensen was going out of business and it breaks my heart. I really like the cabinet (parallel clamps) clamps. I actually like them better than the Bessey clamps. I need to get out there and buy up what I can.
I agree John.
Same with Pony. They have had to sell millions of pipe clamps over the years. As near as I could tell Jorgensen tried to retool pony with modern technology and it drug them both down. I think I read that from an ex Jorgensen employee.
I think Jet clamps are worth a look but seem kinda pricey.
rrmccabe wrote:
1 hour ago, rrmccabe said:I agree John.
Same with Pony. They have had to sell millions of pipe clamps over the years. As near as I could tell Jorgensen tried to retool pony with modern technology and it drug them both down. I think I read that from an ex Jorgensen employee.
I think Jet clamps are worth a look but seem kinda pricey.
I’ve got a boat load of Jets and a small number of Besseys. The cool thing about the Jets, aside from the lifetime warranty, is the finger trigger to release the head. Pretty slick! This year there were no Jet sales but the last few years Jet has a buy one get one free deal or half price and I try to stock up then. Also I’m a huge fan of the Dewalt XL trigger clamps!
ChrisK wrote:
27 minutes ago, ChrisK said:Also I’m a huge fan of the Dewalt XL trigger clamps!
Those clamps are great for one handed use and I have probably used my quick grips more than anything else. Do the dewalts have more clamping pressure than the quick grips? Mine really do not have enough pressure for a lot of glue ups. I have a couple new style Irwin clamps that have lots of clamping pressure but they are super bulky.
Made some progress last night. Got all my sheet goods cut. Just need to edge band some of them with maple and can start the domino assembly process. This is my first real domino project.
Laminated all the 3/4 plywood together for the clamp holding fingers and got them sanded.
I have owned my Festool TS55 track saw for well over 15 years and have used it hundreds of times. But still amazed at the results when I use it in cut quality and lack of mess. Everything in the picture below is from two 4×8 sheets of plywood ripped down and a few cross cuts. The sawdust on the floor is all that slipped by when cutting with the vac attached. Most of that was from cleaning up a factory edge with nothing on the outside of blade to capture it.
rrmccabe wrote:
20 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:
Those clamps are great for one handed use and I have probably used my quick grips more than anything else. Do the dewalts have more clamping pressure than the quick grips? Mine really do not have enough pressure for a lot of glue ups. I have a couple new style Irwin clamps that have lots of clamping pressure but they are super bulky.
Made some progress last night. Got all my sheet goods cut. Just need to edge band some of them with maple and can start the domino assembly process. This is my first real domino project.
Laminated all the 3/4 plywood together for the clamp holding fingers and got them sanded.
I have owned my Festool TS55 track saw for well over 15 years and have used it hundreds of times. But still amazed at the results when I use it in cut quality and lack of mess. Everything in the picture below is from two 4×8 sheets of plywood ripped down and a few cross cuts. The sawdust on the floor is all that slipped by when cutting with the vac attached. Most of that was from cleaning up a factory edge with nothing on the outside of blade to capture it.
Absolutely!http://m.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-12-in-X-Large-Trigger-Clamp-DWHT83185/204988146
The best thing is the full clamp face as opposed to the small rubber face on my Irwins. This produce a large amount of force but over a much larger area like a parallel clamp. Super nice stuff!
ChrisK wrote:
1 hour ago, ChrisK said:Also I’m a huge fan of the Dewalt XL trigger clamps!
I’m not a big fan of the trigger clamps for woodworking. The actual action of working the trigger causes the clamps to not line up with the work piece sometimes. This causes the glue up to shift and place it where it shouldn’t be. Parallel, pipe and f body clamps are much better for wood glue ups.
Yeah with these particular ones I have not had that issue whereas my irwins aren’t as stable. Truthfully though my Jets and Besseys do the real work but the Dewalts do everything else! It’s all about the face. Plus the trigger mechanism on the Dewalts are much stronger.
Chris those clamps in that link look more like the two Irwin’s I have. They clamp much harder than the QuickGrips but are pretty bulky.
rrmccabe wrote:
58 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:Chris those clamps in that link look more like the two Irwin’s I have. They clamp much harder than the QuickGrips but are pretty bulky.
They are quite large. They have the reinforced side panels and the full clamp face. They are for all intents the exact same as your Irwins and are rebranded. I’ve actually got them up to 50″ long with a few 24″s too. The nice thing is for the tricky jobs when setting up the parallel will cause problems these pop right in plus the 50″ are great for squaring up smaller cabinets.
Since we are talking clamps I will toss in that I have two of the Jorgensen gear clamps. They are the ones that look like a F clamp but you pull the lever (similar to the newer Festool MFT clamps) to lock them. They are nice in the fact they dont twist the glue-up as John mentioned but I always seem to get them in a position I cant pull the handle. They have TONS of pressure.
I would like more of them but they are pricey and with Jorgensen going out, its unlikely I will be finding more at a decent price.
Well tedious part now. Doing all the edge banding.
Got a few pieces banded and sanded. Whenever the long piece dries I can unclamp it and get the trim flushed up. Only two small pieces left and can assemble the clamp rack. Then move on to the Woodworking tool cabinet for planes, etc.
Little assembly today.
Have to say, I am liking this new Domino. Going to change how I build things 🙂
This is the clamp and miter saw rail rack.
Question on the Plywood…. I couple of weeks ago I bought plywood at HD to build closet shelves for a friend. It was the same as you are using with only about 5 layers. I picked at it with a knife a bit as I have seen MDF sandwiched in layers on occasion, but that was not the case here.
The finished plywood we get at work is made in China and has double the layers, but there are often small voids in the layers. Then there is 5×5 Baltic Birch which is absolutely flawless.
Do you have any opinion on the number of layers and strength?
I do not have any opinion on strength but this birch plywood has hardly any voids. The laminates are straight. They also have the stuff with MDF but this is not it.
I have been going to HD for plywood recently instead of Menards because the veneer is much thicker. And more progress…
rrich1 wrote:
On 2/16/2017 at 3:02 PM, rrich1 said:some home depots still have them and are clearancing them out as well.
Wow, nice looking old drill press. Where did you get that?
Nordraw wrote:
Wow, nice looking old drill press. Where did you get that?
Thanks. I found it in the Facebook marketplace section.
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ChrisK wrote:
On 2/17/2017 at 9:39 AM, ChrisK said:I’ve got a boat load of Jets and a small number of Besseys. The cool thing about the Jets, aside from the lifetime warranty, is the finger trigger to release the head. Pretty slick! This year there were no Jet sales but the last few years Jet has a buy one get one free deal or half price and I try to stock up then. Also I’m a huge fan of the Dewalt XL trigger clamps!
how do the DeWALT trigger clamps compare to the Irwin quick grip?
Just finished cutting the last of the fingers. This set is for the smaller Irwin Quick Grips. Did a dry assembly and need to route a 1/4 round on top edge and can give it a final sand and apply polyurethane. Then will move on to wall tool cabinet.
Do you ever actually do any work in your shop, or are you like me and just constantly work on the shop itself and never have any real projects to do…
Believe or not, I work “in” the shop. We have an acreage and always building or fabricating something to keep the place up. Not to mention I have an 800 HP hotrod that gets a lot of wrench turning.
But I understand what you are getting at, and honestly there have been month long stretches where I am doing nothing but working “on” the shop.
If not, mama would be complaining 🙂
I know, I was just picking on you. I actually had a small project yesterday fixing a cabinet door that wouldn’t close…due to the fact that when I “fixed” it the first time I cut the hinges in a little crooked. Didn’t realize at the time, and it’s been months annoying the heck out of me. Finally went and bought some cabinet magnets, which didn’t work. That’s what led me to taking the door off and finding that I cut the recess into the wood at an angle, so the hinges weren’t sitting flush. Took a little creative thought on which tool would work to cut some wood out but I got it fixed.
Kato wrote:
3 hours ago, Kato said:I know, I was just picking on you. I actually had a small project yesterday fixing a cabinet door that wouldn’t close…due to the fact that when I “fixed” it the first time I cut the hinges in a little crooked. Didn’t realize at the time, and it’s been months annoying the heck out of me. Finally went and bought some cabinet magnets, which didn’t work. That’s what led me to taking the door off and finding that I cut the recess into the wood at an angle, so the hinges weren’t sitting flush. Took a little creative thought on which tool would work to cut some wood out but I got it fixed.
Oh it was a fair comment. As far as bang for buck scale I am off the chart for too much money/not enough use !
Now for my least favorite part.
coming along good, what is that good wood doing in the trash can?
comp56 wrote:
11 minutes ago, comp56 said:coming along good, what is that good wood doing in the trash can?
Scrap I used on back edge of boards while cutting to prevent tear-out. Not much left of it. All cut up.
tooth picks comes to mind……
LOL, I was thinking firewood!
You must be better at re-purposing wood than I am?
Made some brackets with UHMW on the sides to hold the FastCap Rails for my miter saw and got the clamp rack mounted to wall. Have to polyurethane a couple mounts and it will be done.
Then can move on to tool cabinet.
I like how you used the vertical space to store the clamps pointing up instead of the traditional, downward pointing clamp racks. However, I’m pretty sure that I couldn’t do the same because A. I’m probably not tall enough to reach over the top of the shelf and around / behind the clamps to undo the screws and B. sooner rather than later, I’d bonk myself on the head with one of those clamps putting it away or taking it down.
I have had my clamps in this spot for a while but have been just clamping them to a shelf.
The improvement this go around is that I do not have to unscrew them. They are not clamped to anything. The blocks with fingers are placed at a height that captures the fixed head of clamp. So they just slide in and cant tip because of the tight tolerance. You will notice every type of clamps has a different finger block height. The only exception to this is a couple odd clamps on far right which I do have clamped
rrmccabe wrote:
I do not have any opinion on strength but this birch plywood has hardly any voids. The laminates are straight. They also have the stuff with MDF but this is not it.
I have been going to HD for plywood recently instead of Menards because the veneer is much thicker. And more progress…
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True, but I still prefer menards lumber, they have a better selection and more variety of species
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JimboS1ice wrote:
8 hours ago, JimboS1ice said:
True, but I still prefer menards lumber, they have a better selection and more variety of species
I buy everything at Menards but no longer buy nice Plywood there. Mostly because the veneer is too thin compared to the Home Depot stuff. They just started carrying cherry, walnut and maple hardboard too.
The Birch plywood from HD can be sanded and is beautiful. The Menards stuff sand through too easy.
I would much rather buy at Menards but make a special strip for this stuff.
rrmccabe wrote:
40 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:
I buy everything at Menards but no longer buy nice Plywood there. Mostly because the veneer is too thin compared to the Home Depot stuff. They just started carrying cherry, walnut and maple hardboard too.
The Birch plywood from HD can be sanded and is beautiful. The Menards stuff sand through too easy.
I would much rather buy at Menards but make a special strip for this stuff.
You found out the same thing that I found out years ago. I made a toy chest with oak plywood from menards and I sanded through it really quickly.
rrmccabe wrote:
2 hours ago, rrmccabe said:
I buy everything at Menards but no longer buy nice Plywood there. Mostly because the veneer is too thin compared to the Home Depot stuff. They just started carrying cherry, walnut and maple hardboard too.
The Birch plywood from HD can be sanded and is beautiful. The Menards stuff sand through too easy.
I would much rather buy at Menards but make a special strip for this stuff.
Hey @rrmccabe see if your local Home Depot carries SandiPly plywood. I love using this stuff to build items for the shop. there are no voids in the material, its lighter and looks great.
John, I remember you using that at one time. It was right next to the birch I bought and was $10 a sheet cheaper.
I was just not sure if it would hold up to humidity changes (garage shop) and also how durable to dings it would be compared to what I am using.
I built some tops out of a mix of MDF and Plywood when I first got started out there and because of humidity and MDF and plywood expanding at different rates it ended up cupping and became firewood a year later. I am sure the sande Plywood would be better as it is alternating types but was concerned. On the far side of my garage I actually wash cars so the humidity can be high!
rrmccabe wrote:
1 hour ago, rrmccabe said:John, I remember you using that at one time. It was right next to the birch I bought and was $10 a sheet cheaper.
I was just not sure if it would hold up to humidity changes (garage shop) and also how durable to dings it would be compared to what I am using.
I built some tops out of a mix of MDF and Plywood when I first got started out there and because of humidity and MDF and plywood expanding at different rates it ended up cupping and became firewood a year later. I am sure the sande Plywood would be better as it is alternating types but was concerned. On the far side of my garage I actually wash cars so the humidity can be high!
I’m not sure how it would hold up to humidity. It does dent pretty easily, but for my shop accessories, I’m fine with it. Especially since I use pine for my trim which will dent a little easier than the sandiply.
What I am buying seems pretty durable but should try some sande ply for other things. Looks like it should edge sand really nice.
On another note my order of “Jorgensen” F clamps showed up at Ace Hardware today. Went to pick them up and they were chinese Bessey clamps. Really poor quality. So I made them send them back.
Grizzly is closing Jorgensens out so ordered five 24″ clamps and six 6″ clamps to fill up my rack. Similar price but cost me $18 freight.
The tool cabinet is going together. Screwing everything I can that does not show and using the Domino on the rest that does show.
Tonight I should have the carcass together and can start working on the trim.
Time for trim. I am sure its going to take a lot of time making little maple mounts to hold all the saws, chisels, planes, marking gauges, etc.
tugnut1 wrote:
On 2/22/2017 at 8:19 AM, tugnut1 said:You found out the same thing that I found out years ago. I made a toy chest with oak plywood from menards and I sanded through it really quickly.
Something to consider when building things with plywood is that most plywood is made with a formaldehyde based glue. For a garage shelf, it doesn’t matter. However for something that kids are going to be playing with / around, you’ll probably want to avoid the stuff. I even asked at my local high end lumber yard and they couldn’t guarantee that any of their plywood didn’t have formaldehyde.
The sanded oak and maple plywood at HD is specifically made without formaldehyde and is labeled as such. So, even though I can get nicer plywood (more layers) from my lumber yard, stuff I build for little people only uses the plywood from HD.
Yea only “little people” around my shop look like this.
Ran out to the Woodsmith store and picked up some maple dowel rods, screws, little project wood axles that might make good tool hangers and some finish.
So this weekend I can start the task of making tool mounts so I can hang chisels, saws, marking gauges, rulers, squares, etc. I am sure that will take longer than building the cabinet.
Off little early today.
So fun begins.
