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My intent was to buy ONE nice bench plane. Settled on a #62 jack plane as I thought that would be a good all around plane.
It worked fantastic and in conjunction with a shooting board the low angle blade allowed me to trim end grain in a way I did not realize was possible.
That led to a block plane and a rabbiting block plane and a router plane (on back order) and finally a scraping plane which showed up today.
Very cool American company in Maine. Below is a Youtube tour which is pretty cool to watch.
Love Hybrid Woodworking !
I did not know that you had so many planes. These must be fairly recent purchases.
I still have not used any planes. I need to buy a book, “Planes for dummies” in the near future.
tugnut1 wrote:
Just now, tugnut1 said:I did not know that you had so many planes. These must be fairly recent purchases.
I still have not used any planes. I need to buy a book, “Planes for dummies” in the near future.
John, all recent. Did not have anything except a small stanley block plane when you and I were working together.
The book you want to buy is Marc’s Hybrid woodworking book.
But watch a few videos on shooting boards and see what you think. I just built Cindy that little box and it allowed me to do stuff that would be impossible with power tools and much faster.
Love something he said in the book (or maybe a video) about having high tech power tools that you can adjust down to .001″ +/- 1/8th.
I have no intention of becoming a hand tool guy. The power tools save your back and get it close.
They make great woodworking tools I love their chisels and the best part they are made in my home state
We need more companies like this. Those that take pride in quality hand crafted products.
I agree and speaking of that, I was watching their open house video last week and there was a guy there showing his hand made flat blade marking gauges which he makes in Arkansas.
I am trying to use marking gauges more instead of rulers and tapes. Because of accuracy and also using one to slice end grain fibers to prevent tear-out.
It showed up today. What a nice piece!
This is what it looks like.
Ice Rich. If I remember I’ll try to post a few pics of my Lie Nielsen tools as well as my Veritas tools. Once you go to that dark place…..well….it’s like Festool. Say goodbye to your wallet.
ChrisK wrote:
35 minutes ago, ChrisK said:Ice Rich. If I remember I’ll try to post a few pics of my Lie Nielsen tools as well as my Veritas tools. Once you go to that dark place…..well….it’s like Festool. Say goodbye to your wallet.
I dont plan to go to much further.
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That is a lovely lovely picture….
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Dee Plane !! Dee Plane !!!
those are sweet !!’
Very nice Chris,
My bench work-over is going to have limited space for planes. So hope to NOT expand behind this. I have no intent of doing the grunt work with hand tools so should be fine.
rrmccabe wrote:
4 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:Very nice Chris,
My bench work-over is going to have limited space for planes. So hope to NOT expand behind this. I have no intent of doing the grunt work with hand tools so should be fine.
Nice design……… look forward to seeing the finished product !
Truthfully Rich, most of those are specialty planes though not pictured is my rabbet jack plane. I did just purchase a Stanlet Bedrock 604 and 606 for refurbishment and as I get into more hanplane work, my bench planes will be old antiques like those. I’d rather not drop 300+ on a bench plane! Besides, those Bedrocks are works of art waiting to be reborn! I can’t wait to do a cabinet like that though.
Oh and don’t forget Lee Valley Tools!!! I like lie Lie Nielsen as well but I seem to gravitate to Lee Valley. Great tools and a little cheaper than Lie Nielsen. Both companies have great customer service…
Yea I have their catalog in my nightstand. LOL
I have a few Veritas things from Lee Valley and they are very nice. I think the Lie Nielsen product is slightly nicer in the stuff that probably doesn’t matter category so not the best bang for your buck. But I enjoy buying something that will last several generations and know it was hand built in Maine.
I would also like to buy some stuff from Rob Cosman in Canada. If I did not have a nice set of Robert Sorby bench chisels I would buy Robs IBC chisels. I might try a single chisel anyway. I enjoy watching Robs videos. His technique and style does not match mine because I prefer to use more power tools but have learned a lot from him.
Jay-J wrote:
3 hours ago, Jay-J said:Oh and don’t forget Lee Valley Tools!!! I like lie Lie Nielsen as well but I seem to gravitate to Lee Valley. Great tools and a little cheaper than Lie Nielsen. Both companies have great customer service…
Yeah, half of the planes pictured are actually Veritas planes. I like the Kanuks planes. Really solid. Pictured is a router plane with the specialty cutter. A scrub plane, a bullnose plane and the sweet plow plane with fence! For Lie Nielsen there is the Low Angle block with adj mouth, skew block, router and my beautiful tongue and groove. Not pictured is my LN low angle jack rabbet plane! Almost half and half with me, I love them both and yup, some of the Veritas tools can be a few dollars cheaper. Definitely different tools though.
The marking gauges are intriguing to me as I am very finicky about pencil points. I looked up some marking gauges which lead me to marking knives, which seem to be more suited for my style of work. The thing is, how does one carry one with out constantly stabbing themselves and still have quick access to it. Any suggestions on that front?
When I cut on a miter saw I always try and split my pencil mark leaving just a little “shadow” on my work piece. Is that still possible with a marking gauge?
Well the marking gauge makes a line no different than your marking knife. I use a marking knife when my gauge wont reach.
The nice thing about the gauge is the accuracy of centering on the end of a board. Mark one side then from other until you have a centered line and make your mark. That and severing grain to reduce tear out.
I have a nice brass wheel type cutter also but am not happy with it after watching a Rob Cosman video because I have a screw that protrudes from the end. For Marking its not a big deal but after watching the video I realized you could use a marking gauge to clean up the corner of a dado or rabbet or even as a router plane.
I will dig up video if you are interested.
PS: no good idea on not stabbing yourself 🙂
Mine stays with a 1000sf area so goes on the bench when not in use.
This came today. Been on order for about 7 weeks. Typical Lie Nielsen A+++
SetBuilder wrote:
On 2/3/2017 at 8:19 PM, SetBuilder said:The marking gauges are intriguing to me as I am very finicky about pencil points. I looked up some marking gauges which lead me to marking knives, which seem to be more suited for my style of work. The thing is, how does one carry one with out constantly stabbing themselves and still have quick access to it. Any suggestions on that front?
I switched over to using a marking knife anywhere I need to be more precise than the width of a pencil point and had the same problem of “how do you keep it handy without stabbing yourself.” I found that Blue Spruce Toolworks makes an excellent sheath for marking knives (and really nice knives too, if you’re in the market. I bought one and can attest to the quality and usefulness in keeping the blade of my marking knife out of my leg 😀
http://www.bluesprucetools.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SLSH
khariV wrote:
22 minutes ago, khariV said:
I switched over to using a marking knife anywhere I need to be more precise than the width of a pencil point and had the same problem of “how do you keep it handy without stabbing yourself.” I found that Blue Spruce Toolworks makes an excellent sheath for marking knives (and really nice knives too, if you’re in the market. I bought one and can attest to the quality and usefulness in keeping the blade of my marking knife out of my leg 😀
http://www.bluesprucetools.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SLSH
I bought one of his screwdrivers and it is a beautiful tool. Was using it yesterday while wiring in some outlets in my new shop
rrmccabe wrote:
1 hour ago, rrmccabe said:This came today. Been on order for about 7 weeks. Typical Lie Nielsen A+++
Beautiful router plane Rich, I love mine. They are one of the most useful tools in my shop. Super high quality in that plane bro, you’ll love it
Great idea on the sheath. Marking gauges are the way to go for a lot of reasons. We learn ways to measure that build in a lot of cumulative error. I am trying to retrain myself to do things differently.
I think the router plane will be handy. I have needed one about three times in the last two weeks and did not have it.
I am loving this scraper plane. I have used it to clean up some 3/4 wide facing that I would have rounded off with sandpaper and the grain was to irregular for a normal plane. This things rocked !
I’m in the market for a large shoulder plane and am torn between Lie Nielsen and Veritas. It’s hard to beat the quality of LN but I really like the second handle.
I have not used a shoulder plane many times but when I did I held the body of the plane and never by the handle. So not sure I would put the vertitas second handle to use.
I doubt you would go wrong with either. Honestly, it appears to me the main difference between the Lie Nielsen and others is the out of box experience as far as being 100% ready and not just 98%.
I have stuff in my Lie Nielsen shopping cart but just cant seem to pull the trigger. I need some rasp and their price on them is similar to other re-sellers (frigging outrageous ) !
rrmccabe wrote:
13 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:I have not used a shoulder plane many times but when I did I held the body of the plane and never by the handle. So not sure I would put the vertitas second handle to use.
I doubt you would go wrong with either. Honestly, it appears to me the main difference between the Lie Nielsen and others is the out of box experience as far as being 100% ready and not just 98%.
I have stuff in my Lie Nielsen shopping cart but just cant seem to pull the trigger. I need some rasp and their price on them is similar to other re-sellers (frigging outrageous ) !
I bought an aurio rasp from LN a year or so ago. You should research the rasps, they are made by hand in France and it’s a beatiful tool. Thanks for your insight on the shoulder plane, I actually have the Veritas bull nose but I really like the looks of the LN, have been playing this back and forth 🙂
Yea I would like Auriou. That was the frigging outragious price I was referring to. Supposed to be the hot setup. I have never even seen one in person.
Beautiful plane there, really are great tools to have, beauty in it self
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And it continues 🙂
Ordered a chisel plane as well but its about 2 1/2 weeks out.
rrmccabe wrote:
1 hour ago, rrmccabe said:And it continues 🙂
Ordered a chisel plane as well but its about 2 1/2 weeks out.
Just ordered a chisel Rich. Nice stuff you got there bro. I’m buying the Veritas shoulder plane next but that Lie Nielsen is gorgeous!
What size are you going with Chris? The small would have been ideal for most things I did but in Cosmans class I have learned that having a little extra mass helps so I went for medium. The large was just too big.
I am more excited about the screwdriver than the plane. LOL
This is what I ordered for chisel plane.
I’ll be happy to accept donations for the ones that don’t meet your standards
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OK you are first in line but have not found anything Lie Nielsen that did not meet my standards 🙂
rrmccabe wrote:
21 hours ago, rrmccabe said:What size are you going with Chris? The small would have been ideal for most things I did but in Cosmans class I have learned that having a little extra mass helps so I went for medium. The large was just too big.
I am more excited about the screwdriver than the plane. LOL
This is what I ordered for chisel plane.
Rich, I ordered the large shoulder plane. I’m a big fan of the bulk and control with a second hand on it. I also own the Veritas Bullnose shoulder plane and love it but I got to try the large one out at a class and fell in love with it. I should have it by Monday and will post some pics!
Yea post some pictures. In my case I am trying to make better joints were my top of the line power tools fall short. So I think the medium is the right choice for me. If not, will add a larger one 🙂
It’s not in yet but….my Lie Nielsen 3/8 bench chisel arrived and my 1/4 Mortise chisel is en route code three ??
I am running out of things on my wish list for LN as I dont have huge hand tool goals. I dont have any mortise chisels and not sure if that is something I will need for my woodworking style/project. But I have admired and thought about them. Trying to use domino’s so I can justify my purchase. LOL
I think the only thing on my LN list at this point is a 4 1/2 and also a spoke shave. I also am thinking about buying extra blades so I can swap them out and sharpen a couple at a time. I am trying to give up on sharpening jigs so struggling with the whole extra blade thing.
Rich
I know next to nothing about hand planes. If I was going to purchase my first hand plane what would you suggest, or do you know of a hand plane 101 buyers guide?
Thanks
rrmccabe wrote:
6 hours ago, rrmccabe said:I am running out of things on my wish list for LN as I dont have huge hand tool goals. I dont have any mortise chisels and not sure if that is something I will need for my woodworking style/project. But I have admired and thought about them. Trying to use domino’s so I can justify my purchase. LOL
I think the only thing on my LN list at this point is a 4 1/2 and also a spoke shave. I also am thinking about buying extra blades so I can swap them out and sharpen a couple at a time. I am trying to give up on sharpening jigs so struggling with the whole extra blade thing.
I would really like the 4 1/2 myself Rich, but have been looking at the Veritas model. It’s a bit less expensive but the frog looks kind of weird.
SetBuilder wrote:
4 hours ago, SetBuilder said:Rich
I know next to nothing about hand planes. If I was going to purchase my first hand plane what would you suggest, or do you know of a hand plane 101 buyers guide?
Thanks
Well I guess it depends what you plan to do with it. I have a feeling your needs are similar to mine and you are NOT planning on flattening long planks with a huge #8 plane. I am a hybrid woodworker and use planes to improve in my power tool results.
I think the #62 low angle jack plane is one of the best all around planes you can buy if you are just looking for a nice plane that does a lot of things. Also a block plane is great to have as well.
In my opinion all planes regardless of cost will provide almost equal results if they have a good blade in them. The thicker blades often perform better because of less flex/chatter in the blade. IBC makes some nice blades to retrofit many planes.
Also as far as brand quality (once again my personal opinion) I feel that Lie Nielsen makes the best plane if you exclude all the exotic stuff. Veritas is a close second. The only difference I have seen is how much work they need out of the box. Some planes might need the sole flattened and of course the blade sharpened and maybe a little filing here and there. The Lie Nielsen plane is pretty much pristine out of the box and ready to go to work. They are almost too pretty to use.
The higher dollar planes usually have less backlash on the adjusting knob because their machining is very nice. Many of the cheaper planes have sloppy adjustments which means you have to back the wheel way out to retract the blade and then screw it back in until it starts to put pressure on the blade.
I like planes that you can adjust the front part of sole to open or close the throat. Smaller throat opening means less tear out on figured woods so its nice to be able to adjust that easily. Some planes require you to get out a screwdriver and loosen and move the frog that holds the blade. I am short on patience so I prefer easy adjustment 🙂
My absolute favorite technique in the shop is a plane and shooting board. I have no idea why every power tool shop does not have one.
Most modern planes like Lie Nielson and Veritas are copies of old Stanley and Record planes anyway. They are just remaking them and often in the case of Veritas and Lie Nielsen make slight improvements on the original design.
Beyond normal smoothing type planes, a router plane and shoulder plane can get you out of trouble fixing up joints.
But its all about being sharp and I consider myself a student in this area. I am learning….. I can sharpen a plane blade perfectly but need to learn how to do it by hand in 30 seconds so I do it more often.
One of the things I have learned in my Rob Cosman class is a planed finish is much better than one sanded smooth.
Thanks Rich I appreciate the info. I’ll have to go through his videos when I get some time.
@SetBuilder he has a few on Youtube for the public that are pretty good. The bulk of his videos are on Vimeo for this students.
Interesting guy. Sure have learned a lot from him.
Couple more items showed up today. Spoke shave and a 4 1/2.
The chisel plane that was back ordered shipped and it should be here this coming Friday.
rrmccabe wrote:
28 minutes ago, rrmccabe said:Couple more items showed up today. Spoke shave and a 4 1/2.
The chisel plane that was back ordered shipped and it should be here this coming Friday.
Nice Rich!
Thanks Chris.
Struggled with #4 or 4 1/2. Went with the latter but had to add a wider divider on my plane rack to fit the 4 1/2
rrmccabe wrote:
2 hours ago, rrmccabe said:Thanks Chris.
Struggled with #4 or 4 1/2. Went with the latter but had to add a wider divider on my plane rack to fit the 4 1/2
I would have done the same. I got a Sargent 4-1/2 equivalent from the very early 1900s and will be working on a small restore (its in great shape) but I’d love to that Lie Nielsen ?
I like the feel of the 4 1/2 and glad I got it.
I rotated the router plane up and added the last strip.
Need to build mounts for the new LN screwdriver, LN spoke shave and pushdrill and my new Starrett protractor.
I don’t have much interest in large jointer planes but might consider a skew block plane with fence.
Otherwise, I think I am done 😀
