Well Fj you don’t need to follow my logic, but I’m not looking for your approval and others can :), don’t know why you’re bringing up ryobi? I’ve had and still have ryobi but I don’t want and never suggested I wanted one, you’re derailing this discussion as they don’t have a 7 1/4 saw. I have 3 corded saws all over 30 years old so yes they are heavy much heavier than 10 lbs, they don’t make saws like that anymore. Price is not a concern (I am willing to spend $500+ on a Milwaukee kit) its value (i’m not one to throw my money away) I have more use for a larger lineup than another small one. Same reason why I stopped buying the 12V max and went M12 Fuel.
As I said before, ideally I want 1 battery for all my tools, and the fact is Flexvolt can’t deliver that, Yes they are compatible with 20V but 20V is not compatible with Flexvolt. There are pros and cons for each route, and neither is a clear cut winner, unless your Bias then it’s your favorite brand :).
FYI I was able to go to a local HD and get the 7 1/4 fiber blade ($10-$15) could not with the 6 1/2 as the one you suggested is $80 on amazon, I’d rather put that extra $60-$70 towards a new tool, but that’s me.
…..I feel like I am stuck in a political debate lol
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Framer Joe brought up Ryobi because you seem fixated on deals and value. I was a single system puritan for a while. M18 only. Then M12. Because it’s on one charger I saw it was being “still practically one system”. Then I realized I was missing out on tools I wanted because they weren’t available in red. Expanded into 20v Max and FlexVolt. I’ve organized boxes and systems by task more than tool, so it’s still quite organized despite having 4 battery types. My Milwaukee:Dewalt ratio is probably 2:1 at this point. If you’re willing to spend $500 on a Milwaukee kit you could get a FlexVolt circular saw kit with 2 batteries for that. Best deal out there right now is likely the 2731 7.25″ Fuel with 9.0 and rapid charger though.
midogrumpy wrote:
approx. when is the 9ah coming
and what do you mean with “more batteries coming ” ??
do you mean the 20v max 6ah battery we already know about ?
or ????
cheers
Dewalt released a 6.0 20v battery with 20700 cells
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Bremon wrote:
1 hour ago, Bremon said:Framer Joe brought up Ryobi because you seem fixated on deals and value. I was a single system puritan for a while. M18 only. Then M12. Because it’s on one charger I saw it was being “still practically one system”. Then I realized I was missing out on tools I wanted because they weren’t available in red. Expanded into 20v Max and FlexVolt. I’ve organized boxes and systems by task more than tool, so it’s still quite organized despite having 4 battery types. My Milwaukee:Dewalt ratio is probably 2:1 at this point. If you’re willing to spend $500 on a Milwaukee kit you could get a FlexVolt circular saw kit with 2 batteries for that. Best deal out there right now is likely the 2731 7.25″ Fuel with 9.0 and rapid charger though.
Yes but I wasn’t looking at Ryobi (I’d consider Rigid before Ryobi), plus ryobi does not offer what I originally requested a 7 1/4 Circular saw and I Currently have the 20V and a 24V 6.5 saws so I don’t need another one 🙂 plus I have M12 kits, so the progression in my eyes has 2 paths Milwaukee M18 or Flexvolt, and there are pros and cons for each, I am not stuck on one platform as my current stock of cordless are M12, 12V Max and 20V max, not including my old NiCads.
I originally bought into the Dewalt system for the same reason you bought into M18 and M12, but agree you’ll miss out is you stay with one, but if I have to miss out fine, I don’t want to get into another platform that doesn’t Grow, I have been waiting for the last few years for growth of the 20V line and there is some but others grow faster. I like the compatibility of the 60V batteries on 20V tools, but I have a S-Ton of 20V batteries some still in the package, so I’d like to just buy a bare tool, but thats not gonna happen.
The value with spending $500 on Milwaukee is 2 batteries and 3 tools vs 1 tool and 3 batteries. If it was a clear cut I would have jump on one already. The pro with milwuakee is the larger line up with one battery and the pro for flex is power. I’ll probably debate this for another year and just get the job done with what I have 🙂
If I was new starting over I would probably buy the Flexvolt, Saw, grinder, and recip, and this conversation would be happening 🙂 but I have the 20V grinder and recip saw and don’t have a need to updgrade them as they get the job done for me.
JimboS1ice wrote:
10 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:
Dewalt released a 6.0 20v battery with 20700 cells
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Really only 20700 cells? why not 21,000 cells? 😉
DPSElias wrote:
Really only 20700 cells? why not 21,000 cells? [emoji6]
Maybe the energizer bunny ran out of juice before getting to 21k lol
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Because those batteries are already huge bastards lol why go even bigger. Save that for the M18 12.0 at NPS17 😛
JimboS1ice wrote:
10 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:
Maybe the energizer bunny ran out of juice before getting to 21k lol
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The energizer bunny running out of power is like Chuck Norris losing a fight… It doesn’t happen 😛
Jronman wrote:
The energizer bunny running out of power is like Chuck Norris losing a fight… It doesn’t happen [emoji14]
Energizer bunny vs chuck Norris who wins [emoji848]
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JimboS1ice wrote:
1 minute ago, JimboS1ice said:
Energizer bunny vs chuck Norris who wins emoji848.png
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In a fight or a race? Bunny wins disatance race, fight Noris will unplug that little F***er!
It ultimately ends in a draw when they have to go save the mailman from a dog that got suped up on its owners coffee.
Bremon wrote:
1 hour ago, Bremon said:I’ve organized boxes and systems by task more than tool, so it’s still quite organized despite having 4 battery types
What do you use to organize your batteries?, currently I have a draw in my toolbox for them
I use ToughSystem boxes for everything; batteries go in one of the 4″ tall organizers, they are slim and easy to add to whatever stack of boxes I’m taking. If it’s a small job I won’t bring extra batteries and just pop a battery on each tool I’m taking so I’m only taking 3-4 batteries instead of taking a big pile.
DPSElias wrote:
1 hour ago, DPSElias said:
What do you use to organize your batteries?, currently I have a draw in my toolbox for them
Turner85 wrote:
13 minutes ago, Turner85 said:
Wow that is cool I like that organization as this will also help with battery rotation! Hopefully I can find some stateside.
DPSElias wrote:
3 hours ago, DPSElias said:
Wow that is cool I like that organization as this will also help with battery rotation! Hopefully I can find some stateside.
Looks easy to make…. Hummm wheels turning…..
Just need a 3D printer or ability to have stuff 3D printed, I believe there was a member on here who did some stuff to that nature
JimboS1ice wrote:
42 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:Just need a 3D printer or ability to have stuff 3D printed, I believe there was a member on here who did some stuff to that nature
Good thing I have access to a 3D printer!
Could make a similar creation out of wood for SFA in comparison to what those listings are charging.
And I guess I’ll stir the pot a bit, too. If you are are looking for sheer variety of tools, Makita might be a good choice. Their tools are decent. Dewalt seems to be king in my area, but I have a couple of brothers up north who love their Makitas. They do a lot of metal roofing and have very few corded tools, so I assume they know what they are talking about. I also work at a Truss manufacturer /hardware store, so we both use and sell tools. I was the “tool guy” for the hardware store side of things, so I took a look at all the major US brands.
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drfreemlizard wrote:
And I guess I’ll stir the pot a bit, too. If you are are looking for sheer variety of tools, Makita might be a good choice. Their tools are decent. Dewalt seems to be king in my area, but I have a couple of brothers up north who love their Makitas. They do a lot of metal roofing and have very few corded tools, so I assume they know what they are talking about. I also work at a Truss manufacturer /hardware store, so we both use and sell tools. I was the “tool guy” for the hardware store side of things, so I took a look at all the major US brands.
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X2 makita circular saw is a strong contender and it’s not even brushless [emoji1377][emoji1377]
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drfreemlizard wrote:
1 hour ago, drfreemlizard said:And I guess I’ll stir the pot a bit, too. If you are are looking for sheer variety of tools, Makita might be a good choice. Their tools are decent. Dewalt seems to be king in my area, but I have a couple of brothers up north who love their Makitas. They do a lot of metal roofing and have very few corded tools, so I assume they know what they are talking about. I also work at a Truss manufacturer /hardware store, so we both use and sell tools. I was the “tool guy” for the hardware store side of things, so I took a look at all the major US brands.
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21 minutes ago, JimboS1ice said:
X2 makita circular saw is a strong contender and it’s not even brushless emoji1377.pngemoji1377.png
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Good point, I think I would take the Makita tools over the dewalt personally, the same batteries will work with all their tools, and would have multiple batteries means it’s not a big deal tying up two batteries in a X2 tool.
I love their cordless vacuum products of lately too…..
Ok, in typical TIA fashion, we’re off topic already, but man, this conversation went deep down the rabbit hole there for a bit, quite an in depth study I had to catch up on…
The fact remains on the Fuel vs Flex circ saws:
Fuel has rafter hook and is lighter, longer warranty
Flex runs faster RPM and more powerful
Other than that, it comes down to preference and deals and your existing platform and warranty and the above conversation haha…
KnarlyCarl wrote:
Good point, I think I would take the Makita tools over the dewalt personally, the same batteries will work with all their tools, and would have multiple batteries means it’s not a big deal tying up two batteries in a X2 tool.
I love their cordless vacuum products of lately too…..
Ok, in typical TIA fashion, we’re off topic already, but man, this conversation went deep down the rabbit hole there for a bit, quite an in depth study I had to catch up on…
The fact remains on the Fuel vs Flex circ saws:
Fuel has rafter hook and is lighter, longer warranty
Flex runs faster RPM and more powerful
Other than that, it comes down to preference and deals and your existing platform and warranty and the above conversation haha…
Don’t forget though makita has an x2 charger that charges the 2 packs at the same time
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JimboS1ice wrote:
Don’t forget though makita has an x2 charger that charges the 2 packs at the same time
DeWalt has a 20v and FlexVolt/20v dual charger that also charges 2 at a time.
The.Handyman wrote:
DeWalt has a 20v and FlexVolt/20v dual charger that also charges 2 at a time.
I thought I head the flex was sequential… well that’s good though!
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JimboS1ice wrote:
I thought I head the flex was sequential… well that’s good though!
Yes it is. Both dual port chargers for DeWalt charge at a 4.0 amp rate. The new FlexVolt (yellow) fast single battery charger is 8.0 amp rate.
drfreemlizard wrote:
10 hours ago, drfreemlizard said:And I guess I’ll stir the pot a bit, too. If you are are looking for sheer variety of tools, Makita might be a good choice. Their tools are decent. Dewalt seems to be king in my area, but I have a couple of brothers up north who love their Makitas. They do a lot of metal roofing and have very few corded tools, so I assume they know what they are talking about. I also work at a Truss manufacturer /hardware store, so we both use and sell tools. I was the “tool guy” for the hardware store side of things, so I took a look at all the major US brands.
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Yea that could definitely a contender as it solve one of my biggest complaints of having a Single battery for one tool, but would have to convert my current arsenal to Blue, but it solves that gap of Higher voltage/power without new battery platform.
KnarlyCarl wrote:
On 12/8/2016 at 10:24 PM, KnarlyCarl said:Fuel has longer warranty
that may be true but is it a better warranty? with Milwaukee you get 5 years of limited.
with DeWALT you only get 3 but you also get 1 year of service and a 90 day money back guarantee.
Jronman wrote:
that may be true but is it a better warranty? with Milwaukee you get 5 years of limited.
with DeWALT you only get 3 but you also get 1 year of service and a 90 day money back guarantee.
The only stories I’ve seen of Milwaukee denying claims is just blatant negligence, someone on here picked up a pretty bad hackzall that got replaced
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Jronman wrote:
9 hours ago, Jronman said:that may be true but is it a better warranty? with Milwaukee you get 5 years of limited.
with DeWALT you only get 3 but you also get 1 year of service and a 90 day money back guarantee.
Yes, it is a better warranty.
JimboS1ice wrote:
On 12/8/2016 at 4:17 PM, JimboS1ice said:Just need a 3D printer or ability to have stuff 3D printed, I believe there was a member on here who did some stuff to that nature
Nailed it…. Who needs a 3d printer? I gotta say my working proto is ugly a hell but stupid simple…. But that’s for another time and topic ?
JimboS1ice wrote:
On 12/10/2016 at 0:49 PM, JimboS1ice said:
The only stories I’ve seen of Milwaukee denying claims is just blatant negligence, someone on here picked up a pretty bad hackzall that got replaced
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was it through Milwaukee or a retailer? I’ve heard Milwaukee denying wear and tear claims but the claim specifically went to Milwaukee and not the retailer. That could’ve made a difference.
Jronman wrote:
was it through Milwaukee or a retailer? I’ve heard Milwaukee denying wear and tear claims but the claim specifically went to Milwaukee and not the retailer. That could’ve made a difference.
Claims through Milwaukee
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@knarlycarl do your link thing to the warranty thread
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