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I heard a bunch commotion the other day from a few friends that have the new flexvolt recip saw that it stalls during wierd shit like cutting through wood with large nails or straight sheet metal then I saw this.
Yikes. Not too impressive.
Sounds like a bad tool or bs test. The nails are the easiest part on the saw and hardest on the blade.
pancing wrote:
4 hours ago, pancing said:I heard a bunch commotion the other day from a few friends that have the new flexvolt recip saw that it stalls during wierd shit like cutting through wood with large nails or straight sheet metal then I saw this.
I think I can see exactly why this happened, it’s clear from the video…the vibrations on the Dewalt is so great the battery was flopping around like cowboy in a rodeo, probably interfered with the connection long enough to stall the motor.
Either way that was painful to watch.
I want a rematch!
I would like to see the new Makita 36V up against the Flexvolt…
Milwaukee make a great recip saw, corded or cordless.
Has there been a comparison of the Mak with the Milwhacky?
Hugh Jass wrote:
1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:
I think I can see exactly why this happened, it’s clear from the video…the vibrations on the Dewalt is so great the battery was flopping around like cowboy in a rodeo, probably interfered with the connection long enough to stall the motor.
Either way that was painful to watch.
yeah but i think dewalt could have done more with flexvolt, to me its just a recip saw, tbh most recip saws vibrate like hell, if it was losing connection due to to flopping around thats a very very big miss for dewalt. It might just be a faulty tool but im a but yeah im at a loss for words.
Hugh Jass wrote:
3 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:I think I can see exactly why this happened, it’s clear from the video…the vibrations on the Dewalt is so great the battery was flopping around like cowboy in a rodeo, probably interfered with the connection long enough to stall the motor.
Either way that was painful to watch.
I was thinking the same thing, but I just can’t imagine it being that poorly designed. Battery contacts should always have enough pressure to maintain contact under vibration. Dewalt does tend to have very loose batteries compared to others but that was really flopping around. It’s almost like the connection wasn’t designed to handle such a large pack.
@wildroamer @MikeyB Toolpig did some comparisons of the Fuel, Flexvolt, and Makita on periscope but it was just random tests of a couple pairings on a different materials. I think we all want an Oz Tool Talk review with splitscreen though 🙂
wildroamer wrote:
3 hours ago, wildroamer said:Has there been a comparison of the Mak with the Milwhacky?
Here’s the URL for the scope:
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It should play on PC but it probably works best on the app
That looked bad but after the stall it looks like it went thru the last 4 nails easily. Either way after all the hype I was expecting the flexvolt to really dominate the Milwaukee and that didn’t happen.
jeffmcmillan wrote:
Sounds like a bad tool or bs test. The nails are the easiest part on the saw and hardest on the blade.
I love seeing Milwaukee kick the pants off of yellow but this guy’s a biased red user, used to watch his videos but he has such a boner for Milwaukee I can’t take anything he does seriously, I mean he reviews their screw drivers for 10 minutes, I love my Milwaukee tools but they’re not going to be the fastest at everything
Jimbo
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JimboS1ice wrote:
I love seeing Milwaukee kick the pants off of yellow but this guy’s a biased red user
Jimbo
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I thought all Milwaukee fan boys were biased red users![emoji6]
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Hahahaha though I would agree with Jimbo. The problem with those types of videos is it’s easy to make a biased video and show skewed results. I’m not saying he did this but like every other one of his videos, I tend not to take them too serious. At least he got rid of that porn star intro.
ChrisK wrote:
Hahahaha though I would agree with Jimbo. The problem with those types of videos is it’s easy to make a biased video and show skewed results. I’m not saying he did this but like every other one of his videos, I tend not to take them too serious. At least he got rid of that porn star intro.
I kind of miss that creepy intro!
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kruton wrote:
Just now, kruton said:
I kind of miss that creepy intro!
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Hahahahaha
Just give me a call sailor, I double as a 1 900 operator 😉
ChrisK wrote:
Hahahahaha
Just give me a call sailor, I double as a 1 900 operator [emoji6]
Do you remember the Aerosmith video where they show the guy talking to a chic on the phone with a really sexy voice and he hangs up and they show her and she’s a big old swamp moose?
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kruton wrote:
2 minutes ago, kruton said:
Do you remember the Aerosmith video where they show the guy talking to a chic on the phone with a really sexy voice and he hangs up and they show her and she’s a big old swamp moose?
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Dude, I’ve just been scouring the internet trying to find a picture of her to post!!!!!! God I have to get a life!!!!
I found her!!!!!
ChrisK wrote:
I found her!!!!!
Well done sir!
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kruton wrote:
4 minutes ago, kruton said:
Well done sir!
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Why thank you sir! I had to fast forward the video and take a screen shot on my iPad. I literally need to get a life!
Swamp moose, lmao.
Sorry but that sparky video was quite possibly the most obnoxious thing I’ve ever watched. I get it, it’s like your being a sports announcer. Never again. I don’t think anyone was really expecting a DeWalt to beat the original king. We were all hoping, but our hopes were not that high. That being said the 20v reciprocating saw and Bosch 18v cut apart exhaust systems just as quickly as a fuel so they can all go eat a burlap bag of
I’m not a huge Sparky Channel friend. I’m not a fan of the narration style of video he does its just annoying with the crazy over done voice over.
kruton wrote:
7 hours ago, kruton said:
I thought all Milwaukee fan boys were biased red users!emoji6.png
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I know a “Milwaukee fanboy” who claimed their tools were more powerful than Dewalt because they were red in color. Also claimed longer warranties meant longer lasting tools. He basically said because Milwaukee had a 5 year warranty their tools would last longer than Dewalt because Dewalt only had a 3 year warranty.
The only warranties IMO that are worth even mentioning are lifetime no questions asked warranties. The kind where you make a phone call or send a picture and get a replacement at no cost. Everything else is garbage no matter how many years are printed on the box.
Milwaukee and Dewalt both make good, quality tools…but there are always exceptions to the rule. I’ve had rotten luck with Dewalt’s 20v flood light, for instance. Got a unit that wouldn’t turn on, sent it back for another and that one wouldn’t stay on and would shut it’s self off randomly. After taking it apart and figuring out it wasn’t worth putting back together I put it in the trash and won’t buy another one ever again, lesson learned. Other than that, I’ve bought a hundred Dewalt tools that work as intended even with ridiculous abuse. I don’t love them all (looking at you 20v recip) but my experience along with my coworker with a similar lineup is very positive. My electrician is hardcore Milwaukee fan and he has equally good experience, he just complains about the expense of batteries.
I never really noticed the sawzall stopping when I have used it but I did notice the stud and joist drill kinda pausing when I used it but always had plenty of power. I am a big fan of dewalt tools but in my opinion the 60V stuff is not what i thought it would be. A couple examples the stud and joist drill is just to bit to get into tight spots you can have all the power in the world but it does no good if you can’t get the drill to fit in the tight spot. So i had to grab the Milwaukee hole hawg and it fit in the spot and drilled threw no problem. Another example is the sawzall for little jobs like cutting pvc pipe or cutting over your head the 60V is just to heavy compared to my 20v saw that I use all the time and not having the four position blade kinda sucks for me. Over all the 60v tools aren’t bad but just don’t work for all the jobs I do I guess I am taking on all the wrong jobs where I need to work in tight spots or over my head lol
Wait, they didn’t put the premium 4 position blade holder on the new 60v saw? That is a savior on my 20v! Especially when doing demo work to get into the position I need. Don’t know how I didn’t catch that before.
The reciprocating saw definitely seems to be the dud of the bunch.
PKDEWALT wrote:
3 hours ago, PKDEWALT said:I never really noticed the sawzall stopping when I have used it but I did notice the stud and joist drill kinda pausing when I used it but always had plenty of power. I am a big fan of dewalt tools but in my opinion the 60V stuff is not what i thought it would be. A couple examples the stud and joist drill is just to bit to get into tight spots you can have all the power in the world but it does no good if you can’t get the drill to fit in the tight spot. So i had to grab the Milwaukee hole hawg and it fit in the spot and drilled threw no problem. Another example is the sawzall for little jobs like cutting pvc pipe or cutting over your head the 60V is just to heavy compared to my 20v saw that I use all the time and not having the four position blade kinda sucks for me. Over all the 60v tools aren’t bad but just don’t work for all the jobs I do I guess I am taking on all the wrong jobs where I need to work in tight spots or over my head lol
Seems it would go all the same places the corded stud/joist drill would, and all the places a standard old school hole Hawg would. It’s basically just a cordless version of those. What I’ve read is that the drill can basically fit anywhere the chuck can because the chuck sticks down the same distance as the body and a similar distance as the super Hawg. The Hawg has an advantage in that it can sort of hook in to place, but the disadvantage of being longer.
Bremon wrote:
12 minutes ago, Bremon said:Seems it would go all the same places the corded stud/joist drill would, and all the places a standard old school hole Hawg would. It’s basically just a cordless version of those. What I’ve read is that the drill can basically fit anywhere the chuck can because the chuck sticks down the same distance as the body and a similar distance as the super Hawg. The Hawg has an advantage in that it can sort of hook in to place, but the disadvantage of being longer.
The dewalt stud and joist drill is definitely a lot wider than the hole hawg and the hole hawg you can also remove the top handle to get into tighter spots it has happen a lot where the dewalt just won’t fit
Yep, wider, and the bail handle looks like it could be a real pain in the back side. The FlexVolt looks like it would be fantastic for mixing though.
Bremon wrote:
5 hours ago, Bremon said:The reciprocating saw definitely seems to be the dud of the bunch.
Always has to be one…at least Dewalt is consistent and all of their recip’s suck, but the stepping backwards is what I don’t get. Universally good options like 4 way blade should never be removed.
Bremon wrote:
8 hours ago, Bremon said:Yep, wider, and the bail handle looks like it could be a real pain in the back side. The FlexVolt looks like it would be fantastic for mixing though.
Lol that’s what I’ve been saying all along, use it for mixing mud, but if they’re trying to market it to me as a plumber, it’s not going to be as useful as a smaller drill that I can use hole saws with, how fast do I really need to drill a hole. I still just use my fuel drills with hole saws, haven’t decided if I want a bigger drill anyways, since the big hawg hole saws are incredible at making holes without trouble as it is…..
These cordless tools are starting to outrun the workers, but we only really need them to keep pace with us.
The.Handyman wrote:
11 hours ago, The.Handyman said:Wait, they didn’t put the premium 4 position blade holder on the new 60v saw? That is a savior on my 20v! Especially when doing demo work to get into the position I need. Don’t know how I didn’t catch that before.
Just my thoughts on this but does it not follow logic to suggest they kept a rafter hook, an adjustable shoe, and their awesome 4 way blade change off the tool to make the price more attractive??
KnarlyCarl wrote:
8 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said:
Just my thoughts on this but does it not follow logic to suggest they kept a rafter hook, an adjustable shoe, and their awesome 4 way blade change off the tool to make the price more attractive??
Yea maybe more attractive price but it makes you pretty mad when a option you always had in the past isn’t there lol the first night I used the saw I needed the 4 position blade holder
Pricepoint is pretty important though. If the recip was $300 CAD instead of 250 people would be that much angrier when it stalls and the battery rattles itself to death next to the $220 CAD M18 Fuel lol.
Bremon wrote:
On 9/27/2016 at 10:35 AM, Bremon said:Pricepoint is pretty important though. If the recip was $300 CAD instead of 250 people would be that much angrier when it stalls and the battery rattles itself to death next to the $220 CAD M18 Fuel lol.
Well only kind-of. All it has to do is be better than any other Dewalt available. I don’t think anyone is going to buy into a new battery platform with Milwaukee just so they can save $50 on a tool to spend hundreds on batteries as well. What ecosystem you already have plays a part as well.
Personally I won’t be buying either, I have a corded Porter Cable Tiger Saw that’s 20 years old that’s better than any of this crap anyway. I love me some cordless but…firm pass for me on this one.
If I wanted an orbital corded monster I’d have to go with the Super Sawzall. That monster will do anything that the Fuel might be scared of.
On another note; good to see you back under your own name.
…right? I’ve never been so happy to be myself, lol. That was getting frustrating.
I don’t know what it is about that old Tiger saw but it’s the most comfortable recip I’ve ever used, it’s a pleasure compared to others I’ve tried where I’m scared to close my mouth and knock my teeth out or roll my eyes to the back of their sockets. If it had just a bit more RPM it would be perfect but it tends to bind sometimes due to it’s speed it seems, that’s the only thing I can say about it that I don’t love.
In my opinion, the DeWalt reciprocating saw is one of their weakest tools. The Milwaukee sawzall is one of their best and one of the best.
I’ve gone through several DeWalt reciprocating saws. Just killed another a couple days ago. I bought a replacement. Stood there looking at the flexvolt. Then I picked it up. It is heavy. I didn’t even notice the 4 way blade holder wasn’t there. I can’t believe they left it off. That is the only leg up, DeWalt has with reciprocating saws.
I’ll stick with the 20v.
As for the video. That’s all it is – an internet video. Next week someone will have a video of the exact opposite.
Can anyone show a picture of the flexvolt recip chuck?